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Forums :: Blog World :: Michael Pachla: Possible answers to Buffalo's No. 2 C quandary, choice #1--Anthony Cirelli
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TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Aug 17 @ 7:48 AM ET
Evolving Hockey has his most likely next contract (42% most likely, which is a big number for Evolving Hockey) at 6 years @ $5.8M per.
- kingcong39



can you PM me that spreadsheet?
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Aug 17 @ 8:49 AM ET
can you PM me that spreadsheet?
- TheSabresTaco


Which player are you looking for?
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Aug 17 @ 9:15 AM ET
Which player are you looking for?
- kingcong39



No one in particular. Just want the spreadsheet for this year.
SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Aug 17 @ 9:16 AM ET
Why not both?
- kingcong39

homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: ICE DIRECTOR SAYS OVER 13 THOUSAND MURDERERS CROSSED OUR BORDER ILLEGALLY OVER THE LAST 4 YEARS, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Aug 17 @ 9:16 AM ET
Looks like the Columbus defense hasn't been that good and Korpisalo has just been lights out.

https://www.1stohiobatter...-deserves-total-breakdown

- kingcong39

jones and werenski have been the best pair I have seen in a long time


f the stats
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Aug 17 @ 9:23 AM ET
jones and werenski have been the best pair I have seen in a long time


f the stats

- homiedclown



These are the kind of debates that really rustle my jimmies.
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Aug 17 @ 9:27 AM ET
jones and werenski have been the best pair I have seen in a long time


f the stats

- homiedclown


Up there with Pronger ,Niedermayer and weber ,suter
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Aug 17 @ 9:34 AM ET
No one in particular. Just want the spreadsheet for this year.
- TheSabresTaco


I can't do that sir.

They are a pay site that charges $5 per month via Patreon for that information.

I don't mind sharing a player here and there, but sharing the entire database that they have of that information seems unfair.

If you sign up and pay the $5 fee for one month, you can access that information.
gerbe75pts
Anaheim Ducks
Location: DRAFT COLE CAUFIELD AT 7!!!, CA
Joined: 09.03.2009

Aug 17 @ 9:34 AM ET
Kypreos: Eichel “wouldn’t mind exploring a move"

@CMDeDominicis @DBtBAnth @JeremyWGR ...some Eichel talk around 54:20 👀. Looks like heat is on for Adams to get this team better

@RealKyper
Today @DougMaclean and I talk team press conferences including Kyle Dubas.

Video: https://youtu.be/omhy8V5_g0A
Podcast: https://apple.co/2BrkkHu

This was from two days ago, did this make it here? I didn't remember seeing it. There are going to be some big moves this offseason not the fringe BS and more than just Montour for whomever.

- GilPerreault11



I just listen to it didn't hear any of that
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Aug 17 @ 10:02 AM ET
I can't do that sir.

They are a pay site that charges $5 per month via Patreon for that information.

I don't mind sharing a player here and there, but sharing the entire database that they have of that information seems unfair.

If you sign up and pay the $5 fee for one month, you can access that information.

- kingcong39


Figured I'd ask. I pay subscriptions like the Athletic because of a constant desire for their material. Evolving Hockey, I can live without it.

I see the $2 option there as well. Think that would cover it? I can't tell what's available for 2 or 5.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Aug 17 @ 10:05 AM ET
I just listen to it didn't hear any of that
- gerbe75pts



Here's the facts. Eichel's not getting traded. He's frustrated, and has all the right to be. The ineptitude is serious. And I'm glad Botts got poopcanned.

All this Eichel talk will lead to dead ends. To make it go away, Kevyn Adams needs to be the first competent GM since Darcy Regier traded for Chris Drury.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Aug 17 @ 10:06 AM ET
Figured I'd ask. I pay subscriptions like the Athletic because of a constant desire for their material. Evolving Hockey, I can live without it.

I see the $2 option there as well. Think that would cover it? I can't tell what's available for 2 or 5.

- TheSabresTaco


I could be wrong, but I believe the $2 option is to view only while the $5 option allows for downloads, although I noticed they don't have the contract projections available for download.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Aug 17 @ 10:09 AM ET
I could be wrong, but I believe the $2 option is to view only while the $5 option allows for downloads, although I noticed they don't have the contract projections available for download.
- kingcong39


Well that's annoying.

What is Kahun's most likely term and number?
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Aug 17 @ 10:16 AM ET
Well that's annoying.

What is Kahun's most likely term and number?

- TheSabresTaco


If I were them, I wouldn't allow anything to be downloaded LOL

The top 4 most likely for Kahun are:

1. 41% probable 2 years @ $2.9M per
2. 26% probable 4 years @ $3.7M per
3. 19% probable 3 years @ $3.3M per
4. 10% probable 1 year @ $2.4M per
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Aug 17 @ 10:17 AM ET
Well that's annoying.

What is Kahun's most likely term and number?

- TheSabresTaco


If I had to guess, a 2 year bridge at $2.75M
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Aug 17 @ 10:30 AM ET
If I had to guess, a 2 year bridge at $2.75M
- Pegullaville


Very close sir.

Kahun is just under a .5 points per game player during his first two seasons (138 total games), and his PPG is not much different when comparing all strengths to only even strength (0.493 all strengths vs. 0.442 even strength only).

His points per 60 rose from 1.83 his first season to 2.56, and his numbers with the Sabres were 3.44 compared to his numbers with the Penguins being 2.46 last year, but he did only play 6 games with the Sabres.

He averaged 11.6 minutes per game at even strength with the Sabres compared to just over 12 minutes per game with the Penguins at even strength.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: ICE DIRECTOR SAYS OVER 13 THOUSAND MURDERERS CROSSED OUR BORDER ILLEGALLY OVER THE LAST 4 YEARS, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Aug 17 @ 10:34 AM ET
Up there with Pronger ,Niedermayer and weber ,suter
- gerbe75pts

lately yes
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Aug 17 @ 10:34 AM ET
If I were them, I wouldn't allow anything to be downloaded LOL

The top 4 most likely for Kahun are:

1. 41% probable 2 years @ $2.9M per
2. 26% probable 4 years @ $3.7M per
3. 19% probable 3 years @ $3.3M per
4. 10% probable 1 year @ $2.4M per

- kingcong39


i'll take option 4 at $2.4m or less

Powerslave
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Joined: 02.10.2011

Aug 17 @ 10:34 AM ET
Very close sir.

Kahun is just under a .5 points per game player during his first two seasons (138 total games), and his PPG is not much different when comparing all strengths to only even strength (0.493 all strengths vs. 0.442 even strength only).

His points per 60 rose from 1.83 his first season to 2.56, and his numbers with the Sabres were 3.44 compared to his numbers with the Penguins being 2.46 last year, but he did only play 6 games with the Sabres.

He averaged 11.6 minutes per game at even strength with the Sabres compared to just over 12 minutes per game with the Penguins at even strength.

- kingcong39



Love the IDEA of this player, but want to see it in blue and gold for an entire season.

Probably a perfect 3rd liner on a good team, and capable of playing higher up in the lineup for periods of time, but maybe we haven't seen his best (50-55 pts?).

One of the Sabres I'm very excited to see grow in the next few years.
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Aug 17 @ 10:35 AM ET
If I had to guess, a 2 year bridge at $2.75M
- Pegullaville

i think that 2yr. bridge takes him to ufa status...

anyone else have any input on that?
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Aug 17 @ 10:35 AM ET
If I had to guess, a 2 year bridge at $2.75M
- Pegullaville


If you project Kahun to continue or even improve upon his .5 PPG numbers even with the limited minutes he plays and his 65% offensive zone starts, is he the kind of player you attempt to get a 4 year deal done at say $3M-$3.5M to see if you can get a player on a quality deal, instead of going with a one or two year bridge deal?
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Aug 17 @ 10:37 AM ET
i think that 2yr. bridge takes him to ufa status...

anyone else have any input on that?

- Michael Pachla


Difficult to tell when he hits UFA status with him being an unsigned free agent.

He is interesting enough that signing him to a 4 year deal at between $3M-$3.5M might look very good as early as next season.
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Aug 17 @ 10:47 AM ET
Very close sir.

Kahun is just under a .5 points per game player during his first two seasons (138 total games), and his PPG is not much different when comparing all strengths to only even strength (0.493 all strengths vs. 0.442 even strength only).

His points per 60 rose from 1.83 his first season to 2.56, and his numbers with the Sabres were 3.44 compared to his numbers with the Penguins being 2.46 last year, but he did only play 6 games with the Sabres.

He averaged 11.6 minutes per game at even strength with the Sabres compared to just over 12 minutes per game with the Penguins at even strength.

- kingcong39


I love your posts ! Appreciate the detail.

I think Kahun can be a very good complimentary piece whom can play off of a Jeff Skinner.

Just need to find a Center to play between the 2 of them.

If not I like the looks of a Mojo-Cozens-Kahun third line.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Aug 17 @ 10:51 AM ET
If the Sabres intend on using him as a top 6, give the kid 3.5 for 4 years. He's shown growth, he'd be one of the few bargain scorers here.
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Aug 17 @ 10:52 AM ET
Difficult to tell when he hits UFA status with him being an unsigned free agent.

He is interesting enough that signing him to a 4 year deal at between $3M-$3.5M might look very good as early as next season.

- kingcong39


The 3 years at $3.3M from the Evolving Wild projection makes sense to me
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