I don't see Tampa trading Cirelli unless the Rangers are offering the #1 pick plus. I do see a possibility of getting Johnson out of Tampa. But I think there are better options from teams looking for a RHD (and they are all four - Risto, Montour, Miller and Joki - on the table). I am thinking Domi, Tierney, Kerfoot, Rakell, Dvorak, Gaudette.

Where do you see his offensive upside taking him?
- Michael Pachla

That's a great question.

Tough to tell, but 70 points would seem to be the limit based on what he has shown historically at every level so far.

He's just never been a big point producer.

I don't see Tampa trading Cirelli unless the Rangers are offering the #1 pick plus. I do see a possibility of getting Johnson out of Tampa. But I think there are better options from teams looking for a RHD (and they are all four - Risto, Montour, Miller and Joki - on the table). I am thinking Domi, Tierney, Kerfoot, Rakell, Dvorak, Gaudette.
- G - Man

I doubt any tampa player with ntc or nmc comes here

he got promoted to second line

in turn responded with .65 ppg in second full season in the nhl

which is just a tad behind eichel in his rookie season

he'd be a 75 point player in the right situation
- homiedclown

Again, that's a big claim for a player that has never produced offense at that level at any point in his playing career, including juniors.

He played a massive amount of minutes this year compared to last year. In fact, he only played 10 less minutes at even strength this year compared to last year, in 14 less games.

Yet his points per 60 stayed the same.

Again, he'd be a great addition, no question, but I am not going to assume he's going to be nearly a point per game producer.

larkin would walk, errrr run in 3 years when his deal expires
- homiedclown

Why is that, he would be that true 2C and would help Skinner immensely. And you have 3yrs at 6.1mill to not to worry about it.

To many people sleeping on Lundell, no way am I including Cozens in that trade for Cirelli.
- Buff36

I dong think anyone sleeping on him just want a player with higher upside .. he will be in the league for 15 years and have a cup ..

larkin would walk, errrr run in 3 years when his deal expires
- homiedclown

I see that

I don't see Tampa trading Cirelli unless the Rangers are offering the #1 pick plus. I do see a possibility of getting Johnson out of Tampa. But I think there are better options from teams looking for a RHD (and they are all four - Risto, Montour, Miller and Joki - on the table). I am thinking Domi, Tierney, Kerfoot, Rakell, Dvorak, Gaudette.
- G - Man

Michael Definitely wouldn't like that value

Cirelli is ahead of Couterier at the same age.

Couturier produced between 35-39 points his first 6 years in the league before exploding for 76 in year 7.

I can see Cirelli getting between 65-75 points a year while being the best defensive Center in the league.
- Pegullaville

You are completely ignoring what each player (Cirelli and Couturier) had shown before even reaching the NHL.

Cirelli was not a point producer at the lower levels while Couturier was (96 points his Draft minus 1 year and 96 points his Draft year, while playing 10 less games).

If Cirelli ends up producing 75 points per year without much power play production, it will not be based on anything he has done historically.

Why is that, he would be that true 2C and would help Skinner immensely. And you have 3yrs at 6.1mill to not to worry about it.
- Buff36

I doubt he would want to be in the shadow with jack and Swedish Jesus

Michael Definitely wouldn't like that value
- gerbe75pts

moi?

Cirelli is ahead of Couterier at the same age.

Couturier produced between 35-39 points his first 6 years in the league before exploding for 76 in year 7.

I can see Cirelli getting between 65-75 points a year while being the best defensive Center in the league.
- Pegullaville

Let's try this another way.

How many even strength points would Cirelli need to produce to end up with 70+ points a year?

Couturier averaged roughly 15 power play points the past 3 seasons, including his pair of 76 point seasons.

He also feasted on empty net situations, whether with one or against one, as he had 13 points and 11 points those 2 seasons in those situations.

Let's say Cirelli is similar, and he gets a net of 20 points from power play and empty net situations.

He would need 50 at even strength to hit the 70 point mark.

That would have made Cirelli a top 20 producer at even strength during the 18-19 and 17-18 seasons.

Eichel hasn't even been a top 20 even strength point producer yet, and his offensive game is massive and much better then Cirelli's.

The 70 point mark seems to be a big ask unless he gets more power play time and produces on the power play.

It also looks like Natural Stat Trick includes empty net situations, both with an empty net and against an empty net, in their even strength stats, while Evolving Hockey strips those out of the even strength numbers.

Let's try this another way.

How many even strength points would Cirelli need to produce to end up with 70+ points a year?

Couturier averaged roughly 15 power play points the past 3 seasons, including his pair of 76 point seasons.

He also feasted on empty net situations, whether with one or against one, as he had 13 points and 11 points those 2 seasons in those situations.

Let's say Cirelli is similar, and he gets a net of 20 points from power play and empty net situations.

He would need 50 at even strength to hit the 70 point mark.

That would have made Cirelli a top 20 producer at even strength during the 18-19 and 17-18 seasons.

Eichel hasn't even been a top 20 even strength point producer yet, and his offensive game is massive and much better then Cirelli's.

The 70 point mark seems to be a big ask unless he gets more power play time and produces on the power play.
- kingcong39

He was tied for 15th in 5 on 5 primary assists in 2018-19 despite missing 5 games. Wonder who was his winger?

He was tied for 15th in 5 on 5 primary assists in 2018-19 despite missing 5 games. Wonder who was his winger?
- sbroads24

It's a total mystery...

Let's try this another way.

How many even strength points would Cirelli need to produce to end up with 70+ points a year?

Couturier averaged roughly 15 power play points the past 3 seasons, including his pair of 76 point seasons.

He also feasted on empty net situations, whether with one or against one, as he had 13 points and 11 points those 2 seasons in those situations.

Let's say Cirelli is similar, and he gets a net of 20 points from power play and empty net situations.

He would need 50 at even strength to hit the 70 point mark.

That would have made Cirelli a top 20 producer at even strength during the 18-19 and 17-18 seasons.

Eichel hasn't even been a top 20 even strength point producer yet, and his offensive game is massive and much better then Cirelli's.

The 70 point mark seems to be a big ask unless he gets more power play time and produces on the power play.
- kingcong39

That last paragraph is exactly what I expect.

I don't know why some guys get traded.
It's funny, when possible targets that produce in the mid 50's are mentioned, many want to do better. When mid 60's is used as a target, then the feedback is who would trade that?

Anyway, reasons this season are largely around a flat Cap and trying to get rid of costly contracts where a team has an alternative, is pushed up against it, or has needs in other areas.

Why is Monahan rumored to be on the block, put up mid 60's for 4 of 7 seasons.
Rumor of D Strome on the block, was on pace to put up 59 in 82...Kirby Dach replacing him
Rumor of Domi on the block, put up 72 last season, replaced by Suzuki now

Duchene was traded in a season while playing at 1.16 ppg
ROR was traded after 3 season at 60sh pts

Point is, it does happen, and this season could see a couple more.
- IonSabres

You referenced Monahan, but he is the Flames number one Center.

I agree with Domi being a nice add, but he was Montreal's number one Center last year, and that was far and away his best season.

I also agree with Dylan Strome being a nice add, but he has not hit the mark yet either.

O'Reilly was traded by a moron for a GM. Can we find out who the other moron GM's are first and then find out if they have a Center that good that they are stupid enough to trade?

My entire point is you are letting the perfect be the enemy of the good if you are going to wait on a 60+ point Center being available before you make a move for one. Settling for the 45-50 point range is much more realistic, unless both Domi and Strome are available for less than an arm and a leg.

That last paragraph is exactly what I expect.
- Pegullaville

He's going to have to average at least 15 power play points annually, and still be a top 30 even strength point producer.

He has not shown that level of production at any level as of yet.

He's going to have to average at least 15 power play points annually, and still be a top 30 even strength point producer.

He has not shown that level of production at any level as of yet.
- kingcong39

I don’t expect a players even strength production to top out after year two either though.

Maybe he tops out at 60 points, time will tell.

With the value he brings defensively that would be pretty deadly behind Point.

bennett getting hot when it counts...primary assist and now, a goal...

4+2 thru 7 2/3 games

I don’t expect a players even strength production to top out after year two either though.

Maybe he tops out at 60 points, time will tell.

With the value he brings defensively that would be pretty deadly behind Point.
- Pegullaville

I don't expect it to peak at year two either, but I also don't expect him to be a top 20 even strength point producer either based on his entire playing career to date, including lower level hockey.

He'll definitely need to make up for it in other areas of the game.

bennett getting hot when it counts...primary assist and now, a goal...

4+2 thru 7 2/3 games
- Michael Pachla

He's both upping the cost to trade for him and lowering the likelihood that they will trade him at the same time, unfortunately.

He's both upping the cost to trade for him and lowering the likelihood that they will trade him at the same time, unfortunately.
- kingcong39

true story

moi?
- Michael Pachla

Yes lol

He's both upping the cost to trade for him and lowering the likelihood that they will trade him at the same time, unfortunately.
- kingcong39

Once they get bounced in the 2nd round They will forget and then the rumors of Johnny hockey will start with Taylor Hall coming in