Forwards
_______
Matthews
Tavares
Marner
Nylander
Kapanen
Kerfoot
Hyman
Engvall
Johnsson
Barabanov
Robertson

Defenseman
________
Reilly
Muzzin
Holl
Sandin
Liljgren
Lehtonen

Goalies
_______
Andersen
Campbell

RFA's & UFA's
___________
Mikheyev (3.00 max)
Dermott (2.50 max)
Spezza (1.50 max)
Clifford (2.00 max)

total = 82.00 (within 20-30 k) 23 players


Tradeable assets:

Nylander, Hyman, Kerfoot, Kapanen, Johnsson, Holl, Engvall, (order of value)

I'm not in favor of trading Hyman - only in favor of trading Nylander in a big deal
- paulozz

u misspelled “greedy b!tch marner”🤦‍♂️

so you would have traded him when he refused?
- The Law

irrelevant. what's done is done. but there were other options/scenarios that could have occurred.

looking back dubas overpaid his rfa's. and made bad trades.

better question - why is a guy that consistently overpays and makes bad trades all of sudden not going to?

Yeah, I can see him taking less. He's playing for the love of the game maybe more than anyone. And it's his hometown team. I hope he does because it'll be tough to keep him.
- RogerRoeper

Hyman shouldn't take a penny less if Nylander the floater is still on this team. He'd deserve 4mln + on a 5y deal for sure

im reading through the Marner thread now, but I remember my reaction...4 mil more than willy was too much...

this a tumble prediction




thread
https://www.hockeybuzz.co...read_id=161843&forum_id=1
- senstroll

Yes

irrelevant. what's done is done. but there were other options/scenarios that could have occurred.

looking back dubas overpaid his rfa's. and made bad trades.

better question - why is a guy that consistently overpays and makes bad trades all of sudden not going to?
- Tumbleweed

BUT,,But,,but you thought they were fine when they were made..... FFS

This is Gold Jerry,,, Gold.

Hyman shouldn't take a penny less if Nylander the floater is still on this team. He'd deserve 4mln + on a 5y deal for sure
- MaximusAurelius

Your opinion doesn't matter to Hyman at all.

The cards are in his hands in this situation, if he feels its worth taking less to sign here then he will, if not then he won't.

With his side business's he has and his family being loaded as (frank) to begin with he might not care abut money as much as Marner or Matthews.

We'll find out one day but there is no use arguing about it. He either will or he won't.

ultimately - dubas tied up almost half his cap in 4 players. the risk was he would not have be able to put together a roster with depth to compete.

pretty clear now that lack of depth was our issue. the talent level of our top 4 is not an issue - but their caphits are.

nothing is going to change this year. dubas isn't some master of finding under rated cheap players who blossom in toronto. depth will be an issue again.

this is looking more like a colorado rebuild vs. chicago. need to hit the pause button and re-stock picks/prospects.

another year of bad dubas trades and signings is not what we need.
- Tumbleweed

Lack of depth? Only if you mean lack of Defence. They're fine upfront ..even the depth. The D needs help ...lots of help.

The cap hits of the big 4 are what they are ....they'd be getting those $$ wherever they were playing. The issue isn't "overpayment" it's a misallocation of Cap space ...ie. too much upfront and not enough on the blue line.

I think he made a decision to keep the band together for 1 year knowing that he could add Barrie and Ceci in the hopes they worked out. It didn't.

He's got assets to trade and I think it almost has to be Willie if he plans to add a real piece on the blue line.

What were his options to re-allocate salary last summer? Trade Marner? Wasn't going to happen. Or he could have traded Willie but he would've been worth 50c on the dollar in a trade after his poopty year. He value has to have increased this season. So there is that ...

And JT, AM and MM aren't going anywhere.

BUT,,But,,but you thought they were fine when they were made..... FFS

This is Gold Jerry,,, Gold.
- bixll

Dubas (frank)ed up because he traded Kadri for Kerfoot and Barrie.

Lou is a gem because he signed Marleau, Martin and Zaitzev to 60 million dollars.

Dubas (frank)ed up because he traded Kadri for Kerfoot and Barrie.

Lou is a gem because he signed Marleau, Martin and Zaitzev to 60 million dollars.
- Santo_44

All GM's make mistakes. I get a kick out of the sky is falling attitudes of the Leafs fans... Fire everyone. Holy friggin cow, what a shiit show the Leafs fans are.

Lack of depth? Only if you mean lack of Defence. They're fine upfront ..even the depth. The D needs help ...lots of help.

The cap hits of the big 4 are what they are ....they'd be getting those $$ wherever they were playing. The issue isn't "overpayment" it's a misallocation of Cap space ...ie. too much upfront and not enough on the blue line.

I think he made a decision to keep the band together for 1 year knowing that he could add Barrie and Ceci in the hopes they worked out. It didn't.

He's got assets to trade and I think it almost has to be Willie if he plans to add a real piece on the blue line.

What were his options to re-allocate salary last summer? Trade Marner? Wasn't going to happen. Or he could have traded Willie but he would've been worth 50c on the dollar in a trade after his poopty year. He value has to have increased this season. So there is that ...

And JT, AM and MM aren't going anywhere.
- The Law

I initially thought he'd trade a Marner but after the dust settled and I could think about it with a level head and not Leaf hate I figure he moves out Freddy, Kap, Clifford, Barrie, Ceci and replaces them.

Sandin and Lehtonen should help this blue line as well.

BUT,,But,,but you thought they were fine when they were made..... FFS

This is Gold Jerry,,, Gold.
- bixll

no. i thought it was overpay on marner. but all signs were pointing to an overpay.

Your opinion doesn't matter to Hyman at all.

The cards are in his hands in this situation, if he feels its worth taking less to sign here then he will, if not then he won't.

With his side business's he has and his family being loaded as (frank) to begin with he might not care abut money as much as Marner or Matthews.

We'll find out one day but there is no use arguing about it. He either will or he won't.
- Santo_44

if I was hyman i would bail on this bunch of cream puffs and go play with one of the kachuks or maybe in Boston where I wouldn’t have to be the only non pu$$ie besides clifftard and maybe muzzin 🤦🏿‍♂️

All GM's make mistakes. I get a kick out of the sky is falling attitudes of the Leafs fans... Fire everyone. Holy friggin cow, what a shiit show the Leafs fans are.
- bixll

Yup and once the GM is gone they hate the new GM and talk about how much better the previous GM was because reasons.

We still have Kerfoot out of the Kadri trade...whatever.

I'll take that trade 10 times out of 10 over handing 60 million to two 4th liners and a bottom pairing d man.

If you are going to make mistakes, make sure your team isn't left with any dead-weight.

if I was hyman i would bail on this bunch of cream puffs and go play with one of the kachuks or maybe in Boston where I wouldn’t have to be the only non pu$$ie besides clifftard and maybe muzzin 🤦🏿‍♂️
- Skalapy

I sincerely doubt Hyman is as worries about the Leafs as some HB posters are.

I bet he would get a few laughs off reading this board.

irrelevant. what's done is done. but there were other options/scenarios that could have occurred.

looking back dubas overpaid his rfa's. and made bad trades.

better question - why is a guy that consistently overpays and makes bad trades all of sudden not going to?
- Tumbleweed

It's not irrelevant. You're arguing what should NOT have been done. So what WOULD you have done last summer?

I might actually have traded MM if a good deal was there.

That being said ...I'd rather the year have played out the way it did ...and now Willie is a 30+ goal scoring asset. I'd rather trade Willie than Mitch ...assuming both can bring back a good young affordable RHD.

Dubas (frank)ed up because he traded Kadri for Kerfoot and Barrie.

Lou is a gem because he signed Marleau, Martin and Zaitzev to 60 million dollars.
- Santo_44

lmao

martin is having a ball in the playoffs getting ready to beat the crapitals🤣

All GM's make mistakes. I get a kick out of the sky is falling attitudes of the Leafs fans... Fire everyone. Holy friggin cow, what a shiit show the Leafs fans are.
- bixll

Start listing the positives.

Don't bother starting with the 40 million dollar babies. They have proven that they are not taking the team anywhere. If you want to argue that, explain to us when they have shown otherwise.

Positives
MLSE has money
Toronto supports the team

the end.

Your opinion doesn't matter to Hyman at all.

The cards are in his hands in this situation, if he feels its worth taking less to sign here then he will, if not then he won't.

With his side business's he has and his family being loaded as (frank) to begin with he might not care abut money as much as Marner or Matthews.

We'll find out one day but there is no use arguing about it. He either will or he won't.
- Santo_44

One of your dumb comments again.
Rich people generally tend to become rich because they care about money.
As well, there is a principle to this as well - status in the room is linked to salary for sure.
And Hyman's family might have money, doesn't mean he doesn't want to earn his own money

Dubas (frank)ed up because he traded Kadri for Kerfoot and Barrie.

Lou is a gem because he signed Marleau, Martin and Zaitzev to 60 million dollars.
- Santo_44

and dubas is chasing is own tail.

trades martin away. then give up assets for clifford.

trades zaitsev. overpays kerfoot.

trades a 1st to dump marleau. overpays marner.

All GM's make mistakes. I get a kick out of the sky is falling attitudes of the Leafs fans... Fire everyone. Holy friggin cow, what a shiit show the Leafs fans are.
- bixll

Shrinkage

I sincerely doubt Hyman is as worries about the Leafs as some HB posters are.

I bet he would get a few laughs off reading this board.
- Santo_44

well sure

he’s a millionaire 🤣

Start listing the positives.

Don't bother starting with the 40 million dollar babies. They have proven that they are not taking the team anywhere. If you want to argue that, explain us to when they have shown otherwise.

Positives
MLSE has money
Toronto supports the team

the end.
- Aetherial

I don't want to argue. I have my opinion, you have yours.

Hyman shouldn't take a penny less if Nylander the floater is still on this team. He'd deserve 4mln + on a 5y deal for sure
- MaximusAurelius

Age becomes a question. Nylander was 7 years younger when eh signed compared tow hen Hyman would. And Nylander's stats are obviously better. Nylander's deal is for his prime.

Shrinkage
- Canada Cup

That is no laughing matter.

lmao

martin is having a ball in the playoffs getting ready to beat the crapitals🤣
- Skalapy

Love this logic

Team is in the first round of the playoffs.

This means paying a 4th liner 2.5 million is a good thing.