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hockeyal
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.22.2017

Aug 18 @ 6:11 PM ET
You have a reading comprehension issue. What I said is that it is the easiest match-up the Flyers will face in the playoffs if they move on. Every other team is a better team.



Hey its the playoffs. Who'd have thought that you'd have to work for 60 minutes in a game!
Flyers don't need to keep it low scoring. They need to increase scoring and increase offensive pressure.

Perhaps you should stick with what you're good at. Bashing Scott Laughton.

- MJL


It's a good thing AV knows that its ore important to win games than score goals.

Laughton sure is giving everyone here a lot to be bashed for. Thankfully, AV agreed with me about the adjustment that needed to be made to the Hates line, and GOAL.

And I know exactly what you said. It was wrong. The Canadiens are a VERY TOUGH match up for the Flyers in many ways. You simply don't see that. Other than the Islanders, they are the hardest team in the east for the Flyers to beat. I tried to explain it, but you are too dense.

You were saying that your opponent has no effect on your ability to "dictate play". That might be the ignorant thing a hockey fan could say.

Well, the only way the Canadiens can beat us is by forcing turnovers, catching us up ice and counterattacking. But, MJL says we need to get more offensive pressure, so let's just throw everything into the O zone. What could go wrong?
bmoreflyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Baltimore
Joined: 07.06.2017

Aug 18 @ 6:20 PM ET
Takes more than luck to post back to back shutouts in the playoffs.

Great team defense, and smart move by AV with all the line changes. I thought the PP looked slightly better today, almost cashed in. Giroux needs to shoot, it's driving me crazy. 3-1 series lead, I'll take it!

RIP Hawerchuk
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Aug 18 @ 6:23 PM ET
Takes more than luck to post back to back shutouts in the playoffs.

Great team defense, and smart move by AV with all the line changes. I thought the PP looked slightly better today, almost cashed in. Giroux needs to shot, it's driving me crazy. 3-1 series lead, I'll take it!

RIP Hawerchuk

- bmoreflyer


They did look better on the pp. got shots through and a guy at the net making it hard.
Bendecko
Location: Cave Putorium
Joined: 02.29.2020

Aug 18 @ 6:24 PM ET
Takes more than luck to post back to back shutouts in the playoffs.

Great team defense, and smart move by AV with all the line changes. I thought the PP looked slightly better today, almost cashed in. Giroux needs to shot, it's driving me crazy. 3-1 series lead, I'll take it!

RIP Hawerchuk

- bmoreflyer


NBC Philly* showed a graphic at the end of the game. Something like Hart is now only the 5th goalie under the age of 23 to record back-to-back shutouts in the playoffs.

*: Stream below; select "Away":
http://www.volokit.com/vo...es/philadelphia-montreal/
hockeyal
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.22.2017

Aug 18 @ 6:26 PM ET
The thing is Grant has been fine in his role. JVR hasn't produced. He has not been given the top talent to play with but he also hasn't earned the right to play with them.

In the end, I am fine with what AV decides. He has this team up 3-1 despite not having all gears engaged.

I think that is the difference between you and I. I like JVR and want him to play. But I am not the coach. AV is and he is pushing all of the right buttons. The team also has room to improve.

- mickel25


In a perfect world, you are not wrong. But its hard for players with a big body and long strides to be quick, and JVR has looked slow in his reactions and he has focused on making sure he doesn't blow his defensive responsibilities. Bunny lacks his experience but is a very JVR-like player.
black_francis
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: hockeybuzz superfan, QC
Joined: 01.10.2015

Aug 18 @ 6:27 PM ET
The Power Play has had a number of issues in recent years that are easy to adjust and self inflicted. Giroux playing the right half wall, when he should be on the left. Voracek acting as a net front presence, when he has better hands than anyone on the team. JvR being taken away from the first unit. These are such easy fixes.
- SuperSchennBros



PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 18 @ 6:37 PM ET
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And I know exactly what you said. It was wrong. The Canadiens are a VERY TOUGH match up for the Flyers in many ways. You simply don't see that. Other than the Islanders, they are the hardest team in the east for the Flyers to beat.

- hockeyal


And Tampa.
bmoreflyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Baltimore
Joined: 07.06.2017

Aug 18 @ 6:41 PM ET
NBC Philly* showed a graphic at the end of the game. Something like Hart is now only the 5th goalie under the age of 23 to record back-to-back shutouts in the playoffs.

*: Stream below; select "Away":
http://www.volokit.com/vo...es/philadelphia-montreal/

- Bendecko


Gotta love that stat, and this is only the beginning!
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 18 @ 6:42 PM ET
The Power Play has had a number of issues in recent years that are easy to adjust and self inflicted. Giroux playing the right half wall, when he should be on the left. Voracek acting as a net front presence, when he has better hands than anyone on the team. JvR being taken away from the first unit. These are such easy fixes.
- SuperSchennBros


On the half boards, you should ideally have a right handed shot on the left and a left handed shot on the right. Otherwise the angles would get too acute.

Voracek does not have good hands actually. Very good possession guy, but you rarely see him in the shootout, or score goals. That's why.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 18 @ 6:45 PM ET
The thing is Grant has been fine in his role. JVR hasn't produced. He has not been given the top talent to play with but he also hasn't earned the right to play with them.

In the end, I am fine with what AV decides. He has this team up 3-1 despite not having all gears engaged.

I think that is the difference between you and I. I like JVR and want him to play. But I am not the coach. AV is and he is pushing all of the right buttons. The team also has room to improve.

- mickel25

I give up.

Vigneault isn’t pushing all the right buttons. He is the HEAD COACH. Last day. The point isn’t whether or not Grant is playing well within his role, there is little to no expectation for Grant. The point is Giroux can’t make Grant better anymore than JvR can make Grant better. I have a news flash to all, it’s unfair to hold against a winger that he doesn’t win faceoffs or kill penalties, when it’s not the role that’s expected of him.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 18 @ 6:50 PM ET
On the half boards, you should ideally have a right handed shot on the left and a left handed shot on the right. Otherwise the angles would get too acute.

Voracek does not have good hands actually. Very good possession guy, but you rarely see him in the shootout, or score goals. That's why.

- PT21

Five on five you want the stick blade towards the boards. On the power play during an offensive situation and a man advantage, you want those one timers towards the net.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 18 @ 6:51 PM ET

- black_francis

If you don’t think Voracek has the best hands on this team, you’re just a moron.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 18 @ 7:02 PM ET
Five on five you want the stick blade towards the boards. On the power play during an offensive situation and a man advantage, you want those one timers towards the net.
- SuperSchennBros


I thought you were talking about the pp. There, Giroux has been on the left half-boards forever. Where he should be, given he is a rightie. I thought you were objecting to that. Maybe I misunderstood?
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Aug 18 @ 7:03 PM ET
If you don’t think Voracek has the best hands on this team, you’re just a moron.
- SuperSchennBros

I would say G. Hayes has pretty good hands too.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 18 @ 7:06 PM ET
I would say G. Hayes has pretty good hands too.
- Flyers1218


Giroux is a better overall player but if you saw improvement in the power play today, it was because we moved Voracek back to the right half wall opposite of Giroux.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 18 @ 7:13 PM ET
I thought you were talking about the pp. There, Giroux has been on the left half-boards forever. Where he should be, given he is a rightie. I thought you were objecting to that. Maybe I misunderstood?
- PT21

I don’t know why anyone would suggest Voracek doesn’t have good hands. I’d say that’s his strongest trait.

As for what handed stick you should be on the wing, at even strength, it’s best to have a left handed stick on left wing. Right handed stick on right wing. However the most talented players with the best hands have their preference that might favor them being used on the power play. Right handed stick on the left boards and left handed stick on the right boards for one timers, due to being in an offensive situation.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 18 @ 7:15 PM ET
I say Voracek has better hands than Giroux because Giroux has been passing blanks all playoffs and hands is Jake’s greatest strength.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Aug 18 @ 7:20 PM ET
I would say G. Hayes has pretty good hands too.
- Flyers1218


G has the best hands on the team.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 18 @ 7:38 PM ET
Yeah, watershed moment there perhaps. Game 3 you could see them starting to get their poop together. Game 4 they were completely in control. Time to finish the Habs off.
- Tomahawk


I was only able to see the last 6 minutes or so of the 3rd period due to work and family obligations but the Habs looked like a dead team in that time frame. I think the series is pretty much over. I think overall what I've seen is all this talk of the Habs being such a fast and tough team to play against is overblown. The Flyers made it look that way in certain periods in the series. The Flyers are clearly a superior team. However they still need to pick up their offensive play. Defensively they are more than good with strong goaltending but the offense needs to drastically improve.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 18 @ 7:39 PM ET
So do people still think the shutout last game was just pure luck?
- Peter Richards


Last game, no doubt. Can't comment on this game.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 18 @ 7:42 PM ET
The power play is very simple to me. Go back to basics.

-Giroux, left half wall, great hands, right handed stick.
-Voracek, right half wall, great handed, left handed stick.
-Provorov, top of umbrella, responsible defensively.
-Couturier, in the slot, part of the double screen with size, great wrist shot
JvR, in the crease as a screen, good hands, has made his money doing not much else his entire career.

Do I fancy myself smarter than the coaching staff? The answer is, I think I’m smarter than Michael therrian.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 18 @ 8:00 PM ET
It's a good thing AV knows that its ore important to win games than score goals.


- hockeyal


I'm quite sure that AV also knows that if the Flyers are going to advance and go far in these playoffs, they're going to have to drastically improve their offense and attack time. They won't be playing against many poor offensive teams moving forward. If they don't get their PP going and find a way to score more than a slightly better average of 1 goal per game. A long run is not likely. I know this. AV certainly knows this. The real question is why someone who names himself hockeyal doesn't know that?





Laughton sure is giving everyone here a lot to be bashed for. Thankfully, AV agreed with me about the adjustment that needed to be made to the Hates line, and GOAL.

- hockeyal


Maybe you weren't paying attention but in looking at the stats, AV changed every single line for periods of the game as well as made a number of lineup changes. I guess you missed that or is it just your obsession with bashing Laughton? I also know that Laughton is the both the leading goal scorer and scorer in the playoffs for the Flyers and is a +4.


And I know exactly what you said. It was wrong. The Canadiens are a VERY TOUGH match up for the Flyers in many ways. You simply don't see that. Other than the Islanders, they are the hardest team in the east for the Flyers to beat. I tried to explain it, but you are too dense.


- hockeyal


Yea, I'm too dense as the Flyers go up 3 games to 1 in the series and posters are commenting that the Flyers dominated them today. LOL. The series is likely to end next game with the Flyers winning the series 4-1. If that happens the only reason it wasn't a sweep is that the Flyers didn't show up in game 2. Montreal plays hard and with determination but the truth is that overall, they really aren't that good. This series is not at all a tough matchup for the Flyers. They just made it look harder than it really should've been with numerous veteran players having a sub par series. How could you possibly explain something that you obviously know little about?


You were saying that your opponent has no effect on your ability to "dictate play". That might be the ignorant thing a hockey fan could say.


- hockeyal


Never said that. I challenge you to provide the evidence that I said it.


Well, the only way the Canadiens can beat us is by forcing turnovers, catching us up ice and counterattacking. But, MJL says we need to get more offensive pressure, so let's just throw everything into the O zone. What could go wrong?

- hockeyal


You expose yourself and your knowledge of the game with correlating getting more offensive pressure with just throwing everything in the O zone! LOL
Hockey is a puck possession attacking game backed by solid team defense and goaltending. Being a team that is missing one of those elements, is not going to go far. The best way to defend is to not defend. This is the basics of the game.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 18 @ 8:03 PM ET


Voracek does not have good hands actually. Very good possession guy, but you rarely see him in the shootout, or score goals. That's why.

- PT21


This is ridiculously false. Voracek is highly skilled.
fishbulb
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.28.2009

Aug 18 @ 8:12 PM ET
This is ridiculously false. Voracek is highly skilled.
- MJL


I find Voracek's hands are great... his decision making sometimes counteracts those good hands though. I find he often tries that one final move that really wasn't there.

(Yes, I know that those who handle the puck will also turn it over more)
Jup16
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.18.2020

Aug 18 @ 8:12 PM ET
It’s just amazing this nhl format has shown if nothing else how great of a job the nhl has done at creating a very competitive sport eh? Montreal is a 13 seed and to a not so involved fan you’d never know.

Anyway flyers coaching staff is basically an Olympic coaching staff. We’ve benefited by a good scouting regime that’s planning out some really good players and a perfectly timed switch of the gaurd where fletch game in and established and unbelievable leadership group both in the coaching and players.

How amazing it feels to know you’re in good hands behind the bench and in front of the net. What a weird feeling as a flyers fan. I’ve felt good about teams before, but never have I felt this good about not just this run but what happens next year too.


Let’s %$@#*€+ go!!
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