I actually think JvR has been fine with what he’s had to work with. What’s Claude Giroux’s excuse?
- SuperSchennBros

Its a fair question.

Well if our top guns don’t show up, there is always blaming JvR and his whopping 11 minutes a game.
- SuperSchennBros

Has JvR earned more time than that? He's been getting some of more favorable (on-paper) matchups. Is he finding seams? Winning his puck battles? He made 2 good defensive plays last game but that's not the No. 1 thing that they need from him.

As for Giroux, he absolutely does need to elevate his game, too. But he has set up two of the Flyers' three goals in the series.

Has JvR earned more time than that? He's been getting some of more favorable (on-paper) matchups. Is he finding seams? Winning his puck battles? He made 2 good defensive plays last game but that's not the No. 1 thing that they need from him.

As for Giroux, he absolutely does need to elevate his game, too. But he has set up two of the Flyers' three goals in the series.
- bmeltzer

Are the Flyers trying to be too fine on the PP knowing that they have to beat Price? When they do get set up, they just seem to be reluctant to shoot it. Also, seems to have become a confidence thing IMO

Are the Flyers trying to be too fine on the PP knowing that they have to beat Price? When they do get set up, they just seem to be reluctant to shoot it. Also, seems to have become a confidence thing IMO
- Hextall271

I feel like they need to start getting more pucks to towards the net and use their size to get rebounds and bounces.

Are the Flyers trying to be too fine on the PP knowing that they have to beat Price? When they do get set up, they just seem to be reluctant to shoot it. Also, seems to have become a confidence thing IMO
- Hextall271

Yes, they are imo. One of the things I dont like about the Flyers pp now is that everyone holds the puck a little longer. They hold. They survey. Not enough tick tack toe passing, not enough movement of bodies.

As others have pointed out, Weber is swallowing Couts. That quick one timer off a pass from Giroux they have been doing forever (Hartnell scored a bunch of goals from there) is always sniffed out. I dont like TK on the right side. He is getting pressured and giving it up but I do like the big body of Voracek in the blue.

Yes, they are imo. One of the things I dont like about the Flyers pp now is that everyone holds the puck a little longer. They hold. They survey. Not enough tick tack toe passing, not enough movement of bodies.

As others have pointed out, Weber is swallowing Couts. That quick one timer off a pass from Giroux they have been doing forever (Hartnell scored a bunch of goals from there) is always sniffed out. I dont like TK on the right side. He is getting pressured and giving it up but I do like the big body of Voracek in the blue.
- PT21

Good point about the quick passes. They're not creating any space or lanes because they aren't moving it around.

Yes, they are imo. One of the things I dont like about the Flyers pp now is that everyone holds the puck a little longer. They hold. They survey. Not enough tick tack toe passing, not enough movement of bodies.

As others have pointed out, Weber is swallowing Couts. That quick one timer off a pass from Giroux they have been doing forever (Hartnell scored a bunch of goals from there) is always sniffed out. I dont like TK on the right side. He is getting pressured and giving it up but I do like the big body of Voracek in the blue.
- PT21

Agreed, Montreal has the speed to get in the way in that short time to take away shots. They need to start getting the puck to the net and fight for rebounds and bounces and deflections.

LET'S GO FLYERS!!!!! WHOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

Agreed, Montreal has the speed to get in the way in that short time to take away shots. They need to start getting the puck to the net and fight for rebounds and bounces and deflections.
- MBFlyerfan

As I said before, I really like the physical element they brought last game. Just need more contribution and some PP goals. Funny, Habs are surely saying the same thing haha

Are the Flyers trying to be too fine on the PP knowing that they have to beat Price? When they do get set up, they just seem to be reluctant to shoot it. Also, seems to have become a confidence thing IMO
- Hextall271

So many issues to fix:

* Entries: not only aren't they getting controlled entries, the chip-and-chase retrieval are failing.

* Habs have largely taken away Giroux one-timer. The ones he's gotten have missed the net (one hit the post in Game 1, others rimmed out).

* Game 2: too much settling for unscreened center point shots.

* Every game: too many forced cross-seam passes.

* Every game: PP2 can't even get set up at all.

I feel like they need to start getting more pucks to towards the net and use their size to get rebounds and bounces.
- MBFlyerfan

It is tough outmuscling Weber at netfront. He has been a machine in boxing out.

Habs forwards have been very quick in their D zone getting on pucks that we try sending up the wall to the point. I'd like to see us take it to the crease for greasy garbage more often, rather than trying to get it back to the point so often. We're lucky we haven't seen more breakaways

Imo, I felt that a lot of props are due to the coaching in game 3. Not only did we "grease out" a win (a horrible phrase, sounds like a laxative, btw), I saw real adaptability to the specific opponent we are facing, and a buy-in from lots of people.

Even strength they gave up 17 shots. That's down from 28 the game before, where Montreal probably tried less hard because of the large lead.

Other than the pp, I wouldn't change a thing in plan or line up. They just need to cash in on the opportunities as Habs gets more and more frustrated( which will happen for sure, given the age of the team and the way they play).

I am not downplaying the failure of the offense. But given the Corsi imbalance overall and the shellacking in game 2, I far prefer a 1-0 win than a 5-4 win. The latter would imply we are playing Montreal's game and that is chancy for a better club. Let our depth, our experience, our weight advantage play itself out.

So many issues to fix:

* Entries: not only aren't they getting controlled entries, the chip-and-chase retrieval are failing.

* Habs have largely taken away Giroux one-timer. The ones he's gotten have missed the net (one hit the post in Game 1, others rimmed out).

* Game 2: too much settling for unscreened center point shots.

* Every game: too many forced cross-seam passes.

* Every game: PP2 can't even get set up at all.
- bmeltzer

Your first line said it all to me hahaha "so many issues to fix."

It is tough outmuscling Weber at netfront. He has been a machine in boxing out.
- bmeltzer

I would like to see them try more shots/hard passes to the sides of the net on the ice. Try to get some sticks or legs deflecting the puck to get Montreal scrambling. Get the lucky bounce, create some havoc, multiple whacks etc.

Score ugly.

Habs forwards have been very quick in their D zone getting on pucks that we try sending up the wall to the point. I'd like to see us take it to the crease for greasy garbage more often, rather than trying to get it back to the point so often. We're lucky we haven't seen more breakaways
- Coburns_Nose

Yes. They are intercepting the rim around. As soon as our player releases the puck, their forward goes to the hash marks to intercept before it gets to the point. Out. Ie: too predictable.

Let’s get a huge win today boys

Yes. They are intercepting the rim around. As soon as our player releases the puck, their forward goes to the hash marks to intercept before it gets to the point. Out. Ie: too predictable.
- Hextall271

Giroux seems hesitant to just get the puck towards the net, looking for the shot or clean pass instead of just getting it to the area. The one time he did do it we got a lucky bounce off Voracek.

He has had multiple clean looks to whoever is standing off to the side of the net but seems hesitant to go there. Get a puck there with some velocity and see if the puck can be redirected towards the slot or the net while they crash the net on two levels...close in at the crease and a little further out in case the puck slides through.

I don't know, I'm not a hockey coach so I am just spitballing.

I think together Coots and Voracek can provide traffic, screen in front and look for deflections and rebounds. Giroux shoots on the left, Provy at the top and Myers on the right (he has a good hard shot). When you have as many talented shooting defenseman as the Flyers have, I don’t think it is a given that it has to be 4 forwards on PP1.

I would like to see them try more shots/hard passes to the sides of the net on the ice. Try to get some sticks or legs deflecting the puck to get Montreal scrambling. Get the lucky bounce, create some havoc, multiple whacks etc.

Score ugly.
- MBFlyerfan

I would like to see Provy do a slap-pass instead of a shot. Would open things up near the net in the future.

So many issues to fix:

* Entries: not only aren't they getting controlled entries, the chip-and-chase retrieval are failing.

They are doing the same drop pass play to gain speed entering the neutral zone every time. Anytime the Habs take it away they look lost.

* Habs have largely taken away Giroux one-timer. The ones he's gotten have missed the net (one hit the post in Game 1, others rimmed out).

Its become too predictable, you can see them trying to force it from the couch. When its that forced its easy to defend and even easier for the goaltender to make the save when he knows its coming


* Game 2: too much settling for unscreened center point shots.

The forwards have been too slow making decisions to either pass or shoot and they are WAY to hesitant to shoot the puck.

* Every game: too many forced cross-seam passes.

They only seem forced because the decision making is too slow. The HABS penalty killers are forcing the puck, whick means their will be an open man, but the decision to pass needs to be made quickly

* Every game: PP2 can't even get set up at all.
- bmeltzer

See everything above only with lesser players

Need to see a game today like the LVK, Colorado, Boston, hell even the Islanders are playing. Watching these teams play the games look nothing like how the Flyers are playing. The Bruins trailed 2-0 after two periods last night. They came out in the third period and outshot Carolina 13-0 in the first 10 mins. Completely dominated. And this was without David Pastrnak.

The Flyers are up 2-1 in this series, but they have scored 3 goals. That isn't good enough. Averaging a goal a game isn't going to beat anyone.

I am not downplaying the failure of the offense. But given the Corsi imbalance overall and the shellacking in game 2, I far prefer a 1-0 win than a 5-4 win. The latter would imply we are playing Montreal's game and that is chancy for a better club. Let our depth, our experience, our weight advantage play itself out.
- PT21

A wide open offensive high scoring game should favor the Flyers, not the Habs. The Habs are not a good offensive team and the Flyers have far more offensive talent than the Habs. All the Flyers need to do with match the Habs work ethic and intensity and they should win the series unless Price stands on his head.

Need to see a game today like the LVK, Colorado, Boston, hell even the Islanders are playing. Watching these teams play the games look nothing like how the Flyers are playing. The Bruins trailed 2-0 after two periods last night. They came out in the third period and outshot Carolina 13-0 in the first 10 mins. Completely dominated. And this was without David Pastrnak.

The Flyers are up 2-1 in this series, but they have scored 3 goals. That isn't good enough. Averaging a goal a game isn't going to beat anyone.
- PLindbergh31

Not moving forward it won't. Montreal deserves a lot of credit.

I would like to see Provy do a slap-pass instead of a shot. Would open things up near the net in the future.
- PT21

Yes. Same with Giroux.....just started getting pucks inside and see what happens.