There’s also a major difference between a bad signing in a bad contract, Brandon Sutter was not a bad signing, he’s a valuable bottom six player that kills penalties takes important face offs etc. But when it comes time to move on from contracts like that because you have a push internally or they’re not performing anymore it’s just much tougher to do when they’re slightly overpaid as he is, same goes for Beagle. There’s no way you need a Sutter and a Beagle.
- Pacificgem

or you can wait until he plays a game as a canuck before giving him an (on the high side of) market value contract extension.

hell, why not just wait until he has the hernia surgery to give him the new contract before he plays a game for the canucks?

what do i know though? #benningisagenius

Your comment about the insulators was on point though, I totally agree with that, but it’s time to move on from them which is easier said than done given that they were offered contracts slightly above their actual value. Not easy in today’s game to get rid of the contracts.
- Pacificgem

Exactly — which is why he should be judged on how he takes this team he’s assembled and changes the parts no longer needed/overpriced. I think Sutter has real value to other teams (not high value, but not a dump) like Edmonton or even toronto. Defensively responsible PK and faceoff guy that’s a vocal leader.

Where the Blues are destroying us is their ability to keep the puck in our zone and furthermore our half of the ice for very long stretches.

IMO they need to play D that can get the puck out, make a long pass. We need a forward with speed playing high at all times.
- golfingsince

I caught a bit of the radio broadcast at the end of the second period and they said the zamboni only needed to clean the ice from the Canucks blue line to the end boards.

Well...another beautiful August day on the left coast, my morning coffees are done so I’m off to start another day of ⛳️

A lot of these points can be both. What I mean is Sutter can be “playing well” AND be a bad signing/contract. Do I believe the Canucks are better off with Sutter in the lineup vs not in the lineup? Yes, absolutely if the alternative is Bailey, or Grayovac or Lind or whoever else they have on their extended roster. Do I expect more from a player in the near $4.5m range? Absolutely. When you compound that with Lui (also “playing well”), Beagle, Roussel it gets worse. I never liked the Myers signing because I just never really liked his overall game. Would I prefer he wasn’t injured? Given the options on D, hells yeah I wish he was in the lineup.
- 1970vintage

I for one have never minded Beagle or Sutter at all. I do agree that there is an overpayment ( that is obvious) , but having Miller as a 70 point player at 5.3 mil for the next few years is a steal.

I honestly think a healthy Ferland and Toffoli would have made a big difference. I think then we would have been matching up with the big boys.

Just make some upgrades this offseason .

Exactly — which is why he should be judged on how he takes this team he’s assembled and changes the parts no longer needed/overpriced. I think Sutter has real value to other teams (not high value, but not a dump) like Edmonton or even toronto. Defensively responsible PK and faceoff guy that’s a vocal leader.
- NewYorkNuck

I disagree, I don’t think there is any team out there that would be willing to give up something for an injury prone, aging forward with a too high cap hit. Canucks might be able to swap him for a similar player at a different position. A Dman that some team regrets signing (Mike Matheson comes to mind)

Well...another beautiful August day on the left coast, my morning coffees are done so I’m off to start another day of ⛳️


- Pacificgem

Same but a day with the kids . They suck at golf , so do I

As long as you had fun. It's about the company and the drinks.
- Marwood

It was a good time for sure, I didn't end up placing in any events but maybe that was for the best, the 3 winners were looking rough the next day, especially the guy that won

Well...another beautiful August day on the left coast, my morning coffees are done so I’m off to start another day of ⛳️


- Pacificgem

Anyone who doesn't think the Blues are dominating 5v5 is delusional, don't even need to see the stats, eye test is good enough.


ROR's line is just dominating every Canuck line, he's been the most dominant player in this series, the Canucks have no answer for him.

Canucks only chance is Marky playing amazing(or Allen sh!tting the bed) and PP lighting it up.
- Nucker101

100%

And the Blues will make minced sausage out of Gaudette if he goes in lol. Marky has been 'OK' but the posts have saved his ass a dozen times already in this series. PP looks dead as does JV and a few others. Green just doesn't have enough PO experience to make accurate adjustments IMO. Gonna be interesting...

This series is over, the Flyers are my only hope
- Pacificgem

lol we'll se what Philly is made of in RD 2 where they play an actual PO team

Hawks added Hossa when they were ready to take the next step. That was a huge add. This is why I've griped about the team's cap situation. This is the point in the development arc to look at adding big UFAs to fill in the larger gaps. But, it is what it is.
- RealityChecker

they were pretty luck hossa could sign for 85 years to drop his aav down but i agree. it would be nice to go through some playoff tests and be able to pick up the right guy to help elevate the group.

at the very least the canucks are showcasing themselves to potential ufas that this has a really fun and exciting group and perhaps it may convince some to start coming back here on discounts 🤞

If you look at the depth the Hawks had beyond the three best players, Toews, Kane & Keith, you can see what a horrible comment that was. He’s looking at Pettersson, Boeser & Hughes, which is fair enough, but look at the Hawks depth.
- Pacificgem

absolutely but i think the sentiment that this group is emerging with some exciting talents is similar to that of chicago from 2008 onwards. they carried their fair share of ugly contracts too - thinking brian campbell and huet the back up eating 10% of the cap

I disagree, I don’t think there is any team out there that would be willing to give up something for an injury prone, aging forward with a too high cap hit. Canucks might be able to swap him for a similar player at a different position. A Dman that some team regrets signing (Mike Matheson comes to mind)
- 1970vintage

He has what, one more season on his contract? I think Edmonton is the perfect place for him — they need C depth, experience, and defensive help. GMs are stupid, and they hold value in names and reputations. Canucks might have to take back a smaller contract they can send to the minors, but I think he gets moved.

I for one have never minded Beagle or Sutter at all. I do agree that there is an overpayment ( that is obvious) , but having Miller as a 70 point player at 5.3 mil for the next few years is a steal.

I honestly think a healthy Ferland and Toffoli would have made a big difference. I think then we would have been matching up with the big boys.

Just make some upgrades this offseason .
- VANTEL

for sure and Myers. These 3 healthy is massive. We don't want to see TT gone IMO he can be a good part of their group moving forward.

Offseason will be interesting.

He has what, one more season on his contract? I think Edmonton is the perfect place for him — they need C depth, experience, and defensive help. GMs are stupid, and they hold value in names and reputations. Canucks might have to take back a smaller contract they can send to the minors, but I think he gets moved.
- NewYorkNuck

Buffalo need centers.

they were pretty luck hossa could sign for 85 years to drop his aav down but i agree. it would be nice to go through some playoff tests and be able to pick up the right guy to help elevate the group.

at the very least the canucks are showcasing themselves to potential ufas that this has a really fun and exciting group and perhaps it may convince some to start coming back here on discounts 🤞
- johnnykarate

true.

i've never bought the "canucks have to pay more to get players to play here" narrative that has been passed around on this thread to justify some of the contracts.

when the team wins, the city and team provide an excellent incentive for value-laden contracts. when the team sucks, you generally have to overpay (or promise playing time etc. which is generally a mistake anyway). stay away from UFAs (higher tier) when the team sucks. look to add when the team is rising.

for sure and Myers. These 3 healthy is massive. We don't want to see TT gone IMO he can be a good part of their group moving forward.

Offseason will be interesting.
- LordHumungous

Yup .League wide it will be interesting .I do think we will see one different RHD a third line center and a replacement for Ferland

100%

And the Blues will make minced sausage out of Gaudette if he goes in lol. Marky has been 'OK' but the posts have saved his ass a dozen times already in this series. PP looks dead as does JV and a few others. Green just doesn't have enough PO experience to make accurate adjustments IMO. Gonna be interesting...
- LordHumungous

i was just thinkign this morning about how great dorsett would have been to have in this series. if only jv could give even a fraction of that guys effort

i was just thinkign this morning about how great dorsett would have been to have in this series. if only jv could give even a fraction of that guys effort
- johnnykarate

Rypien

for sure and Myers. These 3 healthy is massive. We don't want to see TT gone IMO he can be a good part of their group moving forward.

Offseason will be interesting.
- LordHumungous

Disagree. I think this is being entirely overblown (to justify the contract perhaps?)

He didn't play well against Minnesota. He didn't play particularly well in the first game against STL. He played decent in the second game. He's been a penalty machine in all the games (criticize the refs all you want but he's been in the box way too much.)

So this "huge" deficiency is based on what? One game?

The Blues are a big team that is wearing down the Canucks. It would definitely help to have bigger guys especially on D and Myers fits the bill but let's not overstate things.

The fact that Myers is being compared to Stetcher (his replacement) says all that needs to be said about Myers. His regular season was bad and he has played like a decent 3rd pairing guy for 1 or 2 games since the return. This is being labelled "huge loss."

true.

i've never bought the "canucks have to pay more to get players to play here" narrative that has been passed around on this thread to justify some of the contracts.

when the team wins, the city and team provide an excellent incentive for value-laden contracts. when the team sucks, you generally have to overpay (or promise playing time etc. which is generally a mistake anyway). stay away from UFAs (higher tier) when the team sucks. look to add when the team is rising.
- RealityChecker

imo they were always a little too active on day 1+2 of free agency for a bad team. those good value guys for bad teams are those late summer signings

i was just thinkign this morning about how great dorsett would have been to have in this series. if only jv could give even a fraction of that guys effort
- johnnykarate

i was just thinkign this morning about how great dorsett would have been to have in this series. if only jv could give even a fraction of that guys effort
- johnnykarate

I think JV has played himself off the team. Package him for a young D.

Still wonder what it would take to get puljarvi out of Edmonton. With OJ potentially being on the team, would that be a good environment for them both to be in?

imo they were always a little too active on day 1+2 of free agency for a bad team. those good value guys for bad teams are those late summer signings
- johnnykarate

Yup.