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Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Aug 18 @ 5:22 PM ET
Man o man the Habs/Flyers games are boring. Watching the Blues play I don’t think many teams if any would be doing better than us. VGK maybe. Av’s 50/50. Out east none. Only the Bruins with a chance.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Aug 18 @ 5:26 PM ET
Did you see Roussel sucker punch Blais before he even had a glove off?

Fantenberg boarding Thomas, sending him into concussion protocol?

It’s gone both ways. Blues will play their game. Vancouver would be wise to try and play theirs. When I see them running around trying to run guys and markstrom chirping the official after every whistle. That’s when you know blues have their game going.

- Gerk


It wasn't a sucker punch, if it was the penalties would not have been an offsetting double roughing minor.
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Aug 18 @ 5:26 PM ET
We had seven powerplays, the reffing was definitely not the issue.
- neem55


Well 2 of the 1st 2 Pps were negated by an off setting minor (and they were both kinda weak calls if irc).

I wish they recorded PPs by time, I think that would give a better representation.
Eg Vancouver had 8mins 5-4
STL had 6 mins 5-4
1 min 5-3

Or whatever.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Aug 18 @ 5:26 PM ET
Did you see Roussel sucker punch Blais before he even had a glove off?

Fantenberg boarding Thomas, sending him into concussion protocol?

It’s gone both ways. Blues will play their game. Vancouver would be wise to try and play theirs. When I see them running around trying to run guys and markstrom chirping the official after every whistle. That’s when you know blues have their game going.

- Gerk

Yes that was a quick sucker but if Blais wasn’t ready that happens.

Yes was boarding so was it on the Blues a few other times in earlier games but not nearly as flagrant.

Yes no doubt both teams play their style or either would lose trying to match up against the other teams style. Blues play tight aggressive pressure. Canucks have to keep skating their game as push through it but could finish more checks but not run around. Blues bottom 6 is more dangerous & our bottom 6 cannot score or find greasy goals.

The biggest joke was us in game 3 getting 4mins to 2mins called.

Elbow to Stechers head no call. A few high sticks missed with 1 turning into a key goal against or no OT in game 3.

Scandella had 2 slew foots last game that werr missed. 1st was on Bo no call. 2nd was called something else.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Aug 18 @ 5:30 PM ET
When you have a guy high & pull him back with a knee behind him it’s the same as a slew foot.
johnnykarate
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.03.2018

Aug 18 @ 5:32 PM ET
Well 2 of the 1st 2 Pps were negated by an off setting minor (and they were both kinda weak calls if irc).

I wish they recorded PPs by time, I think that would give a better representation.
Eg Vancouver had 8mins 5-4
STL had 6 mins 5-4
1 min 5-3

Or whatever.

- dbot

they do. van had 12:13 of pp time and were shorthanded 7:23

even broken down by strength http://www.nhl.com/scores...rts/20192020/GS030184.HTM
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Aug 18 @ 5:33 PM ET
they do. van had 12:13 of pp time and were shorthanded 7:23

even broken down by strength http://www.nhl.com/scores...rts/20192020/GS030184.HTM

- johnnykarate


Well there ya go.
Ask abs you shall receive.

Cheers.

I felt uneasy after we failed to connect early on the PP. that’s where we could have had a different outcome imo
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Aug 18 @ 5:34 PM ET
Did you see Roussel sucker punch Blais before he even had a glove off?

Fantenberg boarding Thomas, sending him into concussion protocol?

It’s gone both ways. Blues will play their game. Vancouver would be wise to try and play theirs. When I see them running around trying to run guys and markstrom chirping the official after every whistle. That’s when you know blues have their game going.

- Gerk

I think both sides can agree that the officiating has been poor in this series. I also think both sides can agree that it hasn't determined the outcome of any games.
johnnykarate
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.03.2018

Aug 18 @ 5:36 PM ET
Yes that was a quick sucker but if Blais wasn’t ready that happens.

Yes was boarding so was it on the Blues a few other times in earlier games but not nearly as flagrant.

Yes no doubt both teams play their style or either would lose trying to match up against the other teams style. Blues play tight aggressive pressure. Canucks have to keep skating their game as push through it but could finish more checks but not run around. Blues bottom 6 is more dangerous & our bottom 6 cannot score or find greasy goals.

The biggest joke was us in game 3 getting 4mins to 2mins called.

Scandella had 2 slew foots last game that werr missed. 1st was on Bo no call. 2nd was called something else.

- Nighthawk


imo biggest difference (and piss off) is the blues have taken advantage of both the weak and noncalls that go their way. we all know how it goes in the playoffs but canucks have to capitalize on the oppotunities whenever and however they come
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Aug 18 @ 5:36 PM ET
Regular season Canucks either led the league in PP’s or were close. That’s the style they play. In the PO’s it tightens up no doubt. Still gotta play through any adversity if you wanna take it to the next level.
Gerk
St Louis Blues
Location: say it aint so TARASENKO, YT
Joined: 01.07.2008

Aug 18 @ 5:37 PM ET

It wasn't a sucker punch, if it was the penalties would not have been an offsetting double roughing minor.

- Marwood


It was, just how things get called in the playoffs.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Aug 18 @ 5:37 PM ET
I think both sides can agree that the officiating has been poor in this series. I also think both sides can agree that it hasn't determined the outcome of any games.
- NorthNuck


Well if they didn't call any penalties last game it would have been 1-1 heading into overtime
johnnykarate
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.03.2018

Aug 18 @ 5:37 PM ET
Well there ya go.
Ask abs you shall receive.

Cheers.

I felt uneasy after we failed to connect early on the PP. that’s where we could have had a different outcome imo

- dbot

especially early on. much easier to play loose when youve got the lead from the get go
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Aug 18 @ 5:38 PM ET
Well there ya go.
Ask abs you shall receive.

Cheers.

I felt uneasy after we failed to connect early on the PP. that’s where we could have had a different outcome imo

- dbot

We are an opportunistic bunch. Been our bread butter all year. It’s hard to say if it’s the best way to play being it’s so reliant on special teams. That is who we are & what we need to keep doing if we are going to move on. If not then the Blues will move on.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Aug 18 @ 5:39 PM ET
I think both sides can agree that the officiating has been poor in this series. I also think both sides can agree that it hasn't determined the outcome of any games.
- NorthNuck

I agree 👍
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Aug 18 @ 5:41 PM ET
Did you see Roussel sucker punch Blais before he even had a glove off?

Fantenberg boarding Thomas, sending him into concussion protocol?

It’s gone both ways. Blues will play their game. Vancouver would be wise to try and play theirs. When I see them running around trying to run guys and markstrom chirping the official after every whistle. That’s when you know blues have their game going.

- Gerk


And those were both called. What about the slew foot on Bo, or Perron jamming into Marky the exact same as MacEwen (which was called), or whoever it was went hit Edler into Marky without the puck being anywhere near? Thing is, Canucks get called more for their infractions than the Blues do.
Gerk
St Louis Blues
Location: say it aint so TARASENKO, YT
Joined: 01.07.2008

Aug 18 @ 5:41 PM ET
I think both sides can agree that the officiating has been poor in this series. I also think both sides can agree that it hasn't determined the outcome of any games.
- NorthNuck


Was at the had pass game last year vs the Sharks. Those are the real officiating mistakes. Going to be missed called every game.

Typically further these series go we will see few and fewer whistles. Assuming Blues refrain from the to many men or delay of game nonsense penalties.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Aug 18 @ 5:41 PM ET
imo biggest difference (and piss off) is the blues have taken advantage of both the weak and noncalls that go their way. we all know how it goes in the playoffs but canucks have to capitalize on the oppotunities whenever and however they come
- johnnykarate

Blues get away with bully tactics if not called is my point. It’s hockey though & just push through it.

Heard this a long time ago....

Character is tested in the face of adversity.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Aug 18 @ 5:44 PM ET
And those were both called. What about the slew foot on Bo, or Perron jamming into Marky the exact same as MacEwen (which was called), or whoever it was went hit Edler into Marky without the puck being anywhere near? Thing is, Canucks get called more for their infractions than the Blues do.
- NewYorkNuck

Myers gets the too tall calls with pushing players faces in extension. Blues get none called even elbows & running players into the boards.
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Aug 18 @ 5:44 PM ET
Regular season Canucks either led the league in PP’s or were close. That’s the style they play. In the PO’s it tightens up no doubt. Still gotta play through any adversity if you wanna take it to the next level.
- Nighthawk

They got 7 last night and didn't score on the PP. Not getting the calls isn't the issue.
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Aug 18 @ 5:46 PM ET
Enough whinging. Looking forward to the next game.
Green will have to make some adjustments re PP, zone entries and lineups.

Any word on if Toffoli or Myers could return?
I really think both are keys to any chance winning this series.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Aug 18 @ 5:46 PM ET
They got 7 last night and didn't score on the PP. Not getting the calls isn't the issue.
- NorthNuck

I agree & the PP wasn’t good. Doesn’t change the fact of the overall calls. Game 3 was my problem with inconsistency & non calls.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Aug 18 @ 5:47 PM ET
It was, just how things get called in the playoffs.
- Gerk

I don't think it was, Blais had dropped his gloves, given it was a fraction of a second prior to Roussel destroying him. I have no issue with the officiating and I find complaining about it a cop out.
Downbar
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 08.18.2020

Aug 18 @ 5:48 PM ET
They play on the same ice, no?
- Marwood

I am thinking that bad ice reduces the skill advantage elite players have over others. I believe that Petey and Quinn are the most skilled skaters and high skill players in the series. The Canucks also rely on passing and puck movement on their deadly PP. This is not to denigrate the top St. Louis players who all seem to have physicality that they can fall back on. In other words, it reduce a game to the basics and although they are giving everything they have, they are likely going to lose to guys like O'Reilly and Schenn at this stage of their careers.
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Aug 18 @ 5:48 PM ET
I don't think it was, Blais had dropped his gloves, given it was a fraction of a second prior to Roussel destroying him. I have no issue with the officiating and I find complaining about it a cop out.
- Marwood

Bieksa said it during the intermission, that's not a fight Blais wants, he shouldn't have skated over and opened up the opportunity for Roussel.
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