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2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Aug 19 @ 5:11 PM ET
Why wouldn’t I? And you didn’t tell me why you wanted to know.
- SuperSchennBros

never said i wanted to know you just offered up that information
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 19 @ 5:13 PM ET
never said i wanted to know you just offered up that information
- 2Real

I offered up what?
is your partner's nickname leftie?
- 2Real

Clear out of the blue, right?
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Aug 19 @ 5:17 PM ET
I offered up what?

Clear out of the blue, right?

- SuperSchennBros

let me make it easier for you

Lefty Ruggiero
Lefty Bates
Lefty Bertrand
Lefty Clarke
Lefty Williams

PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 19 @ 5:18 PM ET
How are you gonna tell me Jake Voracek was demoted and send me a link from an article from October of last year? Aren’t we talking about Jake playing the third line in like 2 or 3, whenever that was??

- SuperSchennBros


I was trying get you to consider explanations other than "JVR does not play or plays on lower lines because the coaches do not like him."

Towards that end, I offered you evidence of other players suffering punishments and his willingness to experiment, throughout AV's reign here. I went back to the regular season because I wanted to demonstrate this is not a new thing, but the way he has rolled in Philly.

SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 19 @ 5:21 PM ET
let me make it easier for you

Lefty Ruggiero
Lefty Bates
Lefty Bertrand
Lefty Clarke
Lefty Williams

- 2Real

Oh, so you know them personally?
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 19 @ 5:25 PM ET
I really don't care if you read my replies or not. Makes no difference to me.
- MJL


Thank you, thank you. I have nothing against you. I just genuinely feel you are excessively argumentative and fail to follow elementary logic. Its nothing to do with your politics. I do not feel the same way about MB Flyers Fan, for example, with whom it is always a pleasure to engage.

I understand you think otherwise and this whole issue is not important to me. I often end up replying to you after 10 ignores simply because I feel bad. Now that you have cleared matters up, I will extend the ignore to all of your posts and I am glad we can amicably co-exist without confrontation.

That's not such a tragedy. On the Internet it is often the most sensible course of action.

SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 19 @ 5:27 PM ET
I was trying get you to consider explanations other than "JVR does not play or plays on lower lines because the coaches do not like him."

Towards that end, I offered you evidence of other players suffering punishments and his willingness to experiment, throughout AV's reign here. I went back to the regular season because I wanted to demonstrate this is not a new thing, but the way he has rolled in Philly.

- PT21

None of this has to do with right now...
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Aug 19 @ 5:31 PM ET
Oh, so you know them personally?
- SuperSchennBros

what does that have to do with anything?
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Aug 19 @ 5:32 PM ET
None of this has to do with right now...
- SuperSchennBros

yes it does but you can't admit when you're wrong
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 19 @ 5:33 PM ET
None of this has to do with right now...
- SuperSchennBros


Read my second paragraph again, please.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 19 @ 5:39 PM ET
Thank you, thank you. I have nothing against you. I just genuinely feel you are excessively argumentative and fail to follow elementary logic. Its nothing to do with your politics. I do not feel the same way about MB Flyers Fan, for example, with whom it is always a pleasure to engage.

I understand you think otherwise and this whole issue is not important to me. I often end up replying to you after 10 ignores simply because I feel bad. Now that you have cleared matters up, I will extend the ignore to all of your posts and I am glad we can amicably co-exist without confrontation.

That's not such a tragedy. On the Internet it is often the most sensible course of action.


- PT21


Well thanks, I appreciate that.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 19 @ 5:51 PM ET
yes it does but you can't admit when you're wrong
- 2Real

So using my left hand makes you feel better?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 19 @ 5:52 PM ET
NO ONE GETS LAID!
JVR IS SCRATCHED!

WHO CARES BECAUSE THERE'S A GAME IN 2 (frank)ING HOURS!?
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 19 @ 5:54 PM ET
Read my second paragraph again, please.
- PT21

Except we’re in the playoffs. JvR ended his season with an injury and role on the power play was effective during the early half of the season and most of his career.

I’m not concerned with Jake Voracek being scratched in October. This has nothing to do with right now. I want to improve the power play right now, today.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 19 @ 5:56 PM ET
NO ONE GETS LAID!
JVR IS SCRATCHED!

WHO CARES BECAUSE THERE'S A GAME IN 2 (frank)ING HOURS!?

- jmatchett383

DON’T BE NEGATIVE!
TALK HOCKEY ON MY TERMS!
BECAUSE I SAY SO!!

Signed the exerything is awesome LEGO song.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 19 @ 6:00 PM ET
I’m in between Seattle and Vancouver BC and our county is doing pretty well with Covid. We peaked in March and April and are having a small upswing in cases now but nothing bad like some places. I wear an N95 the entire shift and it’s not much fun, but it’s become just a part of work. It’s a really stressful time and the financial and social pressures on patients I’m seeing are huge. Lots of emergency visits related to substance abuse and mental health right now. We are treating Covid with dexamethasone and remdesivir in patients who get admitted with oxygen levels below 94%.

I had to take a break from here for a while, the politics in the blog replies got to be too much. I feel like we are all Flyers fans first, we have that in common and hopefully we can be respectful of everyone’s beliefs. Work is stress and Flyers and hockey talk should be a positive break and a good distraction from the news and politics and the rest.

- Marc D


Hmm. I wonder if you are anywhere near Bellingham, where my brother in law works as a locksmith.

Like you, I am a doctor too. But a different kind. A new Yorker cartoon famously illustrated the difference

https://imgc.allpostersim...QWRB0.jpg?w=550&h=550&p=0

I do not have the moral satisfaction of helping folks in the trenches like you. But I have a surrealistic bird's eye view of the pandemic. The last two days, I read articles about whether lactate dehydrogenase and creatine kinase markers can predict the cytokine storm. I had never heard of the previous 2 before the weekend.

Your last paragraph is well taken. There is nothing more obnoxious and tiresome than the 7th Day Adventist who keeps knocking on the door or the uncle at the dinner table who keeps talking about his exploits to the uninterested or the SJW who has turned life into a crusade. My wife and I are especially cognizant of the last, as there is hardly a social or economic cause in Philly where we are not involved. (You colossal bore with the superiority complex, who do you think you are?)

At the same time, I disagree with you that we are Flyers fans first. We are human beings first and citizens and family members and so on before that: everywhere, and always.

While we have a political process, once elections are over, it crystallizes into public policy. Bureaucracies have an ideological component, depending on which party sets the agenda. But there is also a competence factor, which deserves to be judged apolitically.

If a war is fought and lost, or if there is a hurricane and the reaction not adequate, it should not be seen as partisan in pointing out deficiencies of government. I believe that we are at a time when making such an assessment is imperative, and overrides other considerations, valid though that may be. Many disagree, and I deeply respect their different viewpoints.

Sports is very unusual in that it is one of the few social actions that cuts across the like-minded clusters we otherwise socialize in. I completely understand the reaction of stirring up a hornet's nest, and we all have to do better, including and perhaps especially myself, in being able to separate competence from politics and discuss them more rationally, among the many things outside of Hockey that have always been discussed here, and be careful that the main focus of the group does not get overturned.

I understand I answered your post very obliquely, but its Game Day, and in the interest of what I said before, I will not engage today in anything except the game we are going to see, and that too at game time.

Hoping they get a victory today and are rested when they face the Isles.


PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 19 @ 6:02 PM ET
Except we’re in the playoffs. JvR ended his season with an injury and role on the power play was effective during the early half of the season and most of his career.

I’m not concerned with Jake Voracek being scratched in October. This has nothing to do with right now. I want to improve the power play right now, today.

- SuperSchennBros


Dude, I am trying to give you a line of logic that explains that JVR getting scratched is consistent with the way AV has rolled throughout the year, and with other players too.

Are you on your cellphone again?
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 19 @ 6:04 PM ET
Well thanks, I appreciate that.

- MBFlyerfan


Oh, I meant it. There was nothing insincere at all about that.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Aug 19 @ 6:07 PM ET
So using my left hand makes you feel better?
- SuperSchennBros

no you're just reaching and making up poop
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Aug 19 @ 6:12 PM ET
Pregame in here is a train wreck, lesss goooo! End it tonight, rest up and move on. No need to let the habs hang around any longer. If we could get a third shut out that’d be great, thanks
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 19 @ 6:19 PM ET
Thank you, thank you. I have nothing against you. I just genuinely feel you are excessively argumentative and fail to follow elementary logic. Its nothing to do with your politics. I do not feel the same way about MB Flyers Fan, for example, with whom it is always a pleasure to engage.

I understand you think otherwise and this whole issue is not important to me. I often end up replying to you after 10 ignores simply because I feel bad. Now that you have cleared matters up, I will extend the ignore to all of your posts and I am glad we can amicably co-exist without confrontation.

That's not such a tragedy. On the Internet it is often the most sensible course of action.


- PT21


I fail to follow elementary logic yet I routinely correct your numerous failed premises and point out your basic lack of knowledge on the fundamentals of the game of hockey, such as not knowing what a simple 1-2-2 is. Not understanding why players are trying to change lines during a sequence. Not understanding AV's systems that he employs. Not understanding that even the best defenseman in the league will occasionally get beaten in a one on one coverage. These are just a few examples. You ignore me because you're left with no other recourse and are made to look foolish and you are exposed by someone whom you claim lacks the ability to follow elementary logic. It doesn't matter if it's politics or any other subject. The end result has been the same. One of us, me, sticks to the content and subject matter while the other, you, often resorts to personal comments and other attempted cheap shots like the childish Hannity comment you made the other day. That's the dead give away. If I so lack the ability to follow simple logic, then why is it so difficult for you to debate me successfully? This is a cornerstone tactic of the liberal left. You claim that I'm obsessed with you while you won't leave SSB alone. This issue is very important to you. To the point where you become unraveled. It isn't so much about your obvious lack of knowledge about the game. We're all fans, some know more than others. That's no big deal. It's the condescending tone you take while trying to lecture and educate others from your elitist and snobbish high horse.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 19 @ 6:20 PM ET
DON’T BE NEGATIVE!
TALK HOCKEY ON MY TERMS!
BECAUSE I SAY SO!!

Signed the exerything is awesome LEGO song.

- SuperSchennBros


OMG JVR IS SCRATCHED BOO HOO IT'S NOT FAIR! HE GETS PAID $7 MILLION A YEAR BUT DOESN'T GET TO PLAY WAAAHHH!!!

This is your post everyday for the rest of that playoffs. Just copy and paste, it will save you time. You're welcome.

You could just be happy they're up 3-1 but you make it all about a specific player being scratched. Just be happy for the team.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Aug 19 @ 6:22 PM ET
OMG JVR IS SCRATCHED BOO HOO IT'S NOT FAIR! HE GETS PAID $7 MILLION A YEAR BUT DOESN'T GET TO PLAY WAAAHHH!!!

This is your post everyday for the rest of that playoffs. Just copy and paste, it will save you time. You're welcome.

You could just be happy they're up 3-1 but you make it all about a specific player being scratched. Just be happy for the team.

- jmatchett383

well said the coach will put out the players he feels the most comfortable with
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 19 @ 6:23 PM ET
Hmm. I wonder if you are anywhere near Bellingham, where my brother in law works as a locksmith.

Like you, I am a doctor too. But a different kind. A new Yorker cartoon famously illustrated the difference

https://imgc.allpostersim...QWRB0.jpg?w=550&h=550&p=0

I do not have the moral satisfaction of helping folks in the trenches like you. But I have a surrealistic bird's eye view of the pandemic. The last two days, I read articles about whether lactate dehydrogenase and creatine kinase markers can predict the cytokine storm. I had never heard of the previous 2 before the weekend.

Your last paragraph is well taken. There is nothing more obnoxious and tiresome than the 7th Day Adventist who keeps knocking on the door or the uncle at the dinner table who keeps talking about his exploits to the uninterested or the SJW who has turned life into a crusade. My wife and I are especially cognizant of the last, as there is hardly a social or economic cause in Philly where we are not involved. (You colossal bore with the superiority complex, who do you think you are?)

At the same time, I disagree with you that we are Flyers fans first. We are human beings first and citizens and family members and so on before that: everywhere, and always.

While we have a political process, once elections are over, it crystallizes into public policy. Bureaucracies have an ideological component, depending on which party sets the agenda. But there is also a competence factor, which deserves to be judged apolitically.

If a war is fought and lost, or if there is a hurricane and the reaction not adequate, it should not be seen as partisan in pointing out deficiencies of government. I believe that we are at a time when making such an assessment is imperative, and overrides other considerations, valid though that may be. Many disagree, and I deeply respect their different viewpoints.

Sports is very unusual in that it is one of the few social actions that cuts across the like-minded clusters we otherwise socialize in. I completely understand the reaction of stirring up a hornet's nest, and we all have to do better, including and perhaps especially myself, in being able to separate competence from politics and discuss them more rationally, among the many things outside of Hockey that have always been discussed here, and be careful that the main focus of the group does not get overturned.

I understand I answered your post very obliquely, but its Game Day, and in the interest of what I said before, I will not engage today in anything except the game we are going to see, and that too at game time.

Hoping they get a victory today and are rested when they face the Isles.

- PT21


This is the lack of awareness that is always present. You state that you won't engage today in anything except the game we are going to see after posting a diatribe on nonsense that nobody is interested in on here.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 19 @ 6:24 PM ET
Pregame in here is a train wreck, lesss goooo! End it tonight, rest up and move on. No need to let the habs hang around any longer. If we could get a third shut out that’d be great, thanks
- funmaster18


Can I question your sex life and harp on what I don't like about lineup decisions instead of being happy they can close out the series tonight?

How about having an endless discussion where we insult each other's intelligence for 4+ pages?
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