I mentioned a few days ago I would take another Saad type for 6 mil over Dcat all day. Really all you lose is about 10g a season. In return you get another good PK guy who can play 200ft and pot you 25g a season. That guy also opens up the ice for you and probably causes your skilled player to make up the loss of goals.
- bhawks2241

Unfortunately, guys who are 6'2 or 6'3 and 215 that can move like that are tough to come by.

If the offers are good enough, trade them too
- DarthKane

Good enough form our perspective or good enough from Stanbo's? Big difference see Joki....

Hmmm, they had shot share advantages in two of the Nashville games and other than the score sheet - was at least somewhat back and fourth. The better team ended up winning when over the 4 games the stats that should indicate success are about even. Getting swept sucks and seeing Toews get thrown around like a rag doll was irritating but at least on paper or on the score sheet it wasn't overly horrific.

The Hawks got embarrassed against Vegas. Dominated in every single game aside from the one Crow decided to steal.

Losing to the wankers from Nashville sucks but at least they kept the flow of play somewhat respectable and were able to have the run of play some games themselves even though maybe they didn't have the talent or whatever to capitalize on it.
- fattybeef

Think you're thinking of a different series. Referring to NSH. Those first two games, the Hawks may have been in on paper, but the eye test said they weren't ready to start either game and came out flat footed in both.

I don't recall those first two contests being respectable at all...especially Johanssen taking Toews lunch money that entire series.

Finally in the 3rd game they showed a pulse but it was already too late.

I also disagree on your point in terms of the vibe of the series. I think most people would say they found NSH series way more deflating. The Hawks were the one seed vs the 8 seed in that series but sure didn't look like a one seed.

Obviously it was the reverse this time and yes goaltending kept them in it, but they were in fact in it.

The better team won in both series but there wasn't really any player that stood out for any good reasons in the NSH series...which I imagine also factored in to the planarian and Hammer trades.

After that series, not sure how many people were left feeling good about the future fast forward to today where you can at least see a day where some more of the prospects could crack the lineup.

Edit - I stand corrected on shot totals but I seem to remember most of the shots being taken outside the circles with no Hawks down low for rebounds. The shot totals were more flattering but they didn't really appear to be in at least two of those games (2nd and 4th).

Hmmm, they had shot share advantages in two of the Nashville games and other than the score sheet - was at least somewhat back and fourth. The better team ended up winning when over the 4 games the stats that should indicate success are about even. Getting swept sucks and seeing Toews get thrown around like a rag doll was irritating but at least on paper or on the score sheet it wasn't overly horrific.

The Hawks got embarrassed against Vegas. Dominated in every single game aside from the one Crow decided to steal.

Losing to the wankers from Nashville sucks but at least they kept the flow of play somewhat respectable and were able to have the run of play some games themselves even though maybe they didn't have the talent or whatever to capitalize on it.
- fattybeef

They should have. They were the #1 seed going against the 8 seed. They got shut out the first two games. Held a lead through two periods and collapsed in the 3rd in game 3, and got roasted 4-1 in game 4.

They were a much better team than this years squad. The Hawks should have gotten embarrassed against the Knights. They were the 12 ranked team in the WC.

The real key to next year will be - are the young skaters progressing at an acceptable rate toward reaching their potentials?

Dach, Boqvist, AdB, Strome, Nylander, add in Sutet and Mitchell....

Lazarus has an article in the Athletic this morning on whether or not Colliton is the right coach - a fairly non-commital conclusion at this point, but he does say:

Colliton’s third year behind the bench — and he will be the Blackhawks’ coach whenever the 2020-21 season starts; Bowman has made that abundantly clear — should be the decisive one. Do the Blackhawks, loaded with promising young talent but also in quite a hurry as the veteran core ages, take a big step forward? Do the valuable playoff experience, Dach’s development, and the addition of Ian Mitchell and Pius Sutter to the mix make this a true playoff team? Then Colliton’s the guy, for the present and the future.
Or do the Blackhawks sputter at the start and have to climb out of an early-season hole yet again? Then that becomes Colliton’s ignominious trademark, and he could be gone by January.
- StLBravesFan

Colliton has issues. The Hawks are trying to score in the last minute of the game and he puts Boqvist on the ice. Why? Everyone is blasting the kid, the kid was timid all series. The kid is coming back from at least 2 concussions this year and from a iffy hit in the earlier series. i can see why Keith is gassed and it is really not fair to him. And i am sure Keith is pissed that he is making errors or not making the play he wants. So the bigger question, can Colliton improve as a coach with a iffy team? what was interesting, Quenville played in the game 5, he seemed to be more involved in the play than last game - fresher legs????

Hmmm, they had shot share advantages in two of the Nashville games and other than the score sheet - was at least somewhat back and fourth. The better team ended up winning when over the 4 games the stats that should indicate success are about even. Getting swept sucks and seeing Toews get thrown around like a rag doll was irritating but at least on paper or on the score sheet it wasn't overly horrific.

The Hawks got embarrassed against Vegas. Dominated in every single game aside from the one Crow decided to steal.

Losing to the wankers from Nashville sucks but at least they kept the flow of play somewhat respectable and were able to have the run of play some games themselves even though maybe they didn't have the talent or whatever to capitalize on it.
- fattybeef

those games were a lot closer than this board makes it out to be. OT games and bad bounces costed them. The Hawks always like the close games and usually came out smelling like roses. Not anymore. The window is closing if not closed.

They should have. They were the #1 seed going against the 8 seed. They got shut out the first two games. Held a lead through two periods and collapsed in the 3rd in game 3, and got roasted 4-1 in game 4.

They were a much better team than this years squad. The Hawks should have gotten embarrassed against the Knights. They were the 12 ranked team in the WC.
- Chunk

They were in terms of regular season point totals. I'd forgotten who all was on that team. That was the year only one line was working really (Kane, AA, Panarin).

Toews had I believe his worst year that year and some of the other players rounding out the forwards were: Tanner Kero, Dennis Rasmussen, Ryan Hartman, Richard Panik and a broken Marcus Kruger.

Good enough form our perspective or good enough from Stanbo's? Big difference see Joki....
- riozzo

If i was the gm i would listen to offers on everyone not named dach boqvist mitchell
- Scott1977

I'll trade Mitchell or Boqvist for real under 26 NHL Top 6 Forward.

They were in terms of regular season point totals. I'd forgotten who all was on that team. That was the year only one line was working really (Kane, AA, Panarin).

Toews had I believe his worst year that year and some of the other players rounding out the forwards were: Tanner Kero, Dennis Rasmussen, Ryan Hartman, Richard Panik and a broken Marcus Kruger.
- HawkintheD

Fair enough. They did still have Hossa and Schmaltz, and their worst D-man was TVR. I still say they were a much better overall team.

Hmmm, they had shot share advantages in two of the Nashville games and other than the score sheet - was at least somewhat back and fourth. The better team ended up winning when over the 4 games the stats that should indicate success are about even. Getting swept sucks and seeing Toews get thrown around like a rag doll was irritating but at least on paper or on the score sheet it wasn't overly horrific.

The Hawks got embarrassed against Vegas. Dominated in every single game aside from the one Crow decided to steal.

Losing to the wankers from Nashville sucks but at least they kept the flow of play somewhat respectable and were able to have the run of play some games themselves even though maybe they didn't have the talent or whatever to capitalize on it.
- fattybeef

No comment.

I'll trade Mitchell or Boqvist for real under 26 NHL Top 6 Forward.
- rpeters01

Jordan Greenway and put him with Kane and Dach.

Fair enough. They did still have Hossa and Schmaltz, and their worst D-man was TVR. I still say they were a much better overall team.
- Chunk

Maybe. While I've been somewhat optimistic about some of the young players over the last few years (Schmaltz, AdB, Strome), Dach is the first one of those I truly felt was a potential cornerstone or Core player for the next gen.

Maybe. While I've been somewhat optimistic about some of the young players over the last few years (Schmaltz, AdB, Strome), Dach is the first one of those I truly felt was a potential cornerstone or Core player for the next gen.
- HawkintheD

i agree, all others are hype. and Boqvist is years away

They should have. They were the #1 seed going against the 8 seed. They got shut out the first two games. Held a lead through two periods and collapsed in the 3rd in game 3, and got roasted 4-1 in game 4.

They were a much better team than this years squad. The Hawks should have gotten embarrassed against the Knights. They were the 12 ranked team in the WC.
- Chunk

Hey, quit disrupting the approved narrative, tough guy.

Hope you're well, Chunk.

Colliton has issues. The Hawks are trying to score in the last minute of the game and he puts Boqvist on the ice. Why? Everyone is blasting the kid, the kid was timid all series. The kid is coming back from at least 2 concussions this year and from a iffy hit in the earlier series. i can see why Keith is gassed and it is really not fair to him. And i am sure Keith is pissed that he is making errors or not making the play he wants. So the bigger question, can Colliton improve as a coach with a iffy team? what was interesting, Quenville played in the game 5, he seemed to be more involved in the play than last game - fresher legs????
- Topshelf2010

Is it your position that the Hawks shoulda beat Vegas, and woulda with a better coach?

Jordan Greenway and put him with Kane and Dach.
- Chunk

Trade strome to Minnesota for greenway?

I'll trade Mitchell or Boqvist for real under 26 NHL Top 6 Forward.
- rpeters01

Our top 6 includes 2 future HOFers, a 23 year old just one year removed from a 40 goal season, a Calder finalist who just put up 5 pts in his first ever playoff game after a 30 goal regular season, Kirby Dach, AND Brandon Saad who just had a very strong season(not to mention other plug in options like Strome, Nylander, and Caggiula/Shaw).....AT THE SAME TIME we are CLEARLY lacking talent and depth on the blue line and in desperate need of some youth to step up and fill in the holes.

....and here you are wanting to trade Boqvist or Mitchell for another top 6 forward???

Our top 6 includes 2 future HOFers, a 23 year old just one year removed from a 40 goal season, a Calder finalist who just put up 5 pts in his first ever playoff game after a 30 goal regular season, Kirby Dach, AND Brandon Saad who just had a very strong season(not to mention other plug in options like Strome, Nylander, and Caggiula/Shaw).....AT THE SAME TIME we are CLEARLY lacking talent and depth on the blue line and in desperate need of some youth to step up and fill in the holes.

....and here you are wanting to trade Boqvist or Mitchell for another top 6 forward???
- SimpleJack

- DarthKane

This guy gets it!

Our top 6 includes 2 future HOFers, a 23 year old just one year removed from a 40 goal season, a Calder finalist who just put up 5 pts in his first ever playoff game after a 30 goal regular season, Kirby Dach, AND Brandon Saad who just had a very strong season(not to mention other plug in options like Strome, Nylander, and Caggiula/Shaw).....AT THE SAME TIME we are CLEARLY lacking talent and depth on the blue line and in desperate need of some youth to step up and fill in the holes.

....and here you are wanting to trade Boqvist or Mitchell for another top 6 forward???
- SimpleJack

Would depends on the top 6 forward? Not saying i would trade boqvist or mitchell.

Hey, quit disrupting the approved narrative, tough guy.

Hope you're well, Chunk.
- mohel

Happy as a pig in poop. I hope you're the same. I'm not even disrupting the narrative. I agree Colliton is not the best coach, makes very questionable decisions and is likely over his head. The only thing that I am saying is that we shouldn't expect much better results (under anyone's lead) until the kids grow up and learn to play a more complete game (not to mention add some strength), and/or we upgrade the roster. I fail to see how that is controversial at all.

Is it your position that the Hawks shoulda beat Vegas, and woulda with a better coach?
- mohel

Good question, i did not say that of course. But i am thinking their chance to tie the game in the last minute of the game might be better without Boqvist. As you know, you never know how the puck is going to bounce. And as you saw, Boqvist did not shoot the puck, but Keith for sure had at least one attempt. And guess what he hit. in the last minute of the game of 6 on 5 action usually is, get the puck to the net and hope for deflections or rebound or a jam play.

Our top 6 includes 2 future HOFers, a 23 year old just one year removed from a 40 goal season, a Calder finalist who just put up 5 pts in his first ever playoff game after a 30 goal regular season, Kirby Dach, AND Brandon Saad who just had a very strong season(not to mention other plug in options like Strome, Nylander, and Caggiula/Shaw).....AT THE SAME TIME we are CLEARLY lacking talent and depth on the blue line and in desperate need of some youth to step up and fill in the holes.

....and here you are wanting to trade Boqvist or Mitchell for another top 6 forward???
- SimpleJack

We starting a pool on the points Dach puts up next season (if all 82 games are played). I'm thinking around 50-55pts. Probably finds himself on the top 2 PK units too.

Him and Saad on the PK together would be awfully nice.

Happy as a pig in poop. I hope you're the same. I'm not even disrupting the narrative. I agree Colliton is not the best coach, makes very questionable decisions and is likely over his head. The only thing that I am saying is that we shouldn't expect much better results (under anyone's lead) until the kids grow up and learn to play a more complete game (not to mention add some strength), and/or we upgrade the roster. I fail to see how that is controversial at all.
- Chunk

Well, it shouldn't be controversial, given that it is correct.