So Rionhart = Sam Gagner
Skinner = Elite level.

Even though Skinner has never had a 70 point season. And Reinharts career high in points is better than Skinners.......

Skinner multiple sub 40 point seasons.
Reinhart - 0 sub 40 point seasons.
- ImThatGuy

Skinner has had 4 -30 + g years .. sam ?

Your generation hates participation awards yet you're giving one to Sam

Congrats
- gerbe75pts

So the one time you don't think a guy deserves a participation trophy is when that guy is your second leading scorer.

Your narratives these past 48 hours, and people are going to modify my statement to say forever, have (frank)ing blown ass, dude.

You must be referring to the same Sam Gagne that broke 50 points once in his 28 year old season.

Cause the guy I'm talking about waited until his 21 year old season, then scored 15 points more than Gagne's career high the following year, and was on track to score 10 points more than Gagne's career high in his 23 year old season.

Calling Sam a 50 point winger is calling Kahun a 30 point winger, and god DAMN am i (frank)ING PUMPED to put a 30 point winger on Jack's side.
- TheSabresTaco

What is sam with out jack ? With jack he's a 50 point winger ..

I'll wait

No thank you to the bolded above. There are other options on defense I would rather explore. He's going to get a pay day after next season.
- kingcong39

Like Brodin, not paying Reinhart for him. Doubt you'd have to.

Like Brodin, not paying Reinhart for him. Doubt you'd have to.
- TheSabresTaco

Brodin is fantastic at defense, but he provides next to no impact offensively, and I fear how much his next contract would cost with producing nothing offensively.

There are cheaper, impactful options available defensively like Jon Merrill and Dylan DeMelo.

How much do you think Sam will get at most 5m-6m for if not bye ....

He's a 50 point winger that has never scored 30 + goals hes basically buffalo's own Sam Gagner
- gerbe75pts

this is kind of where you are wrong

1. if it was a full season, he was on pace for 60 points, he already had 50 points in the shortened season, and had 65 points last year

2. you say he never scored 30 goals, but he is 24 and would have scored 25 goals twice if this was a full season

3. he is durable


4. your talking about his future cap hit which you have no clue what it's going to be


5. he puts up fringe first line numbers


6. our biggest issue is we cant score




so since we cant score, throw away a consistent 20 plus goal scorer because he was picked second overall

What is sam with out jack ? With jack he's a 50 point winger ..

I'll wait
- gerbe75pts

Hope you didn't need to wait too long.

https://www.expectedbuffa...duce-without-jack-eichel/

What is sam with out jack ? With jack he's a 50 point winger ..

I'll wait
- gerbe75pts

115 points in last 151 games translates to over 60 points per season with jack

So the one time you don't think a guy deserves a participation trophy is when that guy is your second leading scorer.

Your narratives these past 48 hours, and people are going to modify my statement to say forever, have (frank)ing blown ass, dude.
- TheSabresTaco

This guy said it good ...

In what world is a 50-55 point forward deserving of 10% of the cap, especially when he is a winger. Who plays with a superstar center and still is nothing more then above average at best. Reinhart literally got franchise 1C minutes this past season and put up a whopping 50 points. He has 2 RFA years left. If he wants 7-8 per then he should be moved. I would give Sam a 4-5 year deal @ 6.5 per at most. He is turning 25 so his prime is already here and he had 1 season where he played like a true 1st liner. Signing Reinhart past his 30th bday will be a mistake he is a mediocre skater and will only regress from there.

From his draft the following forwards are better then Reinhart

Draisaitl
Pastrnak
Point

Larkin
Ehlers
Nylander

Arvidsson
Reinhart

He is at best the 7th-8th forward from 2014. Another reason why we are where we are. A must hit draft pick at #2 and we pick a 50-55 point winger.

Fact: Jack Eichel makes those around him better.

Fact: Sam Reinhart can produce impact results without Eichel.

This guy said it good ...
- gerbe75pts

So you're butthurt he wasn't the actual second best player. This narrative is so pathetic.

The guy's a 60 point player. He should not get an obnoxious contract, that I agree with. He should be payed as a top line, play driving, 60+ point player, because that's precisely what he is.

Hope you didn't need to wait too long.

https://www.expectedbuffa...duce-without-jack-eichel/






- TheSabresTaco

115 points in last 151 games translates to over 60 points per season with jack
- homiedclown

50 -60 pt player that hasn't scored past 25g and a cap hit of 7m -8m

Not smart

Fact: Jack Eichel makes those around him better.

Fact: Sam Reinhart can produce impact results without Eichel.
- TheSabresTaco

fact jack plays his best hockey with reinhart on his wing

- homiedclown

Awaiting the "moron shoulda picked Draisaitl" argument.

Kerfoot averaged 13 minutes of ice time at even strength and produced 8 goals and 25 total points while Johnsson also averaged 13 minutes of ice time at even strength and produced 3 goals and 15 points.

Using their per 60 rates, Kerfoot was at 1.77 points per 60 and Johnsson was at 1.59 points per 60.

That puts Kerfoot 161st out of 600 and Johnsson 211th out of 600.

Kerfoot received 58% offensive zone starts while Johnsson received 73% offensive zone starts.

You would need to give both players, especially if they are on the same line, more offensive zone starts to be able to produce at the middling level they produce currently.

Did I also mention they make a combined $6.9M for the next 3 seasons?

If the Sabres are going to try and poach a player from the Leafs due to them wanting to clear cap, they should be looking at Mikheyev, as Pachla has pointed out previously.
- kingcong39

I'll also add that in looking at the 42 points Kerfoot produced with the Avalanche in 2018-2019, 14 of those were on the power play, with 9 being secondary assists.

He produced 24 points at even strength.

He enjoyed a magical 156 total power play minutes with the Avalanche in 2018-2019, and a similar run in 2017-2018 with the Avalanche.

Aside from that, he is a 25 point even strength scorer, which is nothing special.

50 -60 pt player that hasn't scored past 25g and a cap hit of 7m -8m

Not smart
- gerbe75pts

Joe Thornton, bad player, never scored 30

50 -60 pt player that hasn't scored past 25g and a cap hit of 7m -8m

Not smart
- gerbe75pts

30 seconds ago it was a 50 point player


reality is last 2 seasons he was over 60 point per player when you take into account team games missed to covid


next season, will probably be a 70 point player


but let's throw out names in comparison that was never going to be picked 2nd by the sabres

Murray was down to 2 players, reinhart and bennett


be glad he picked reinhart

fact jack plays his best hockey with reinhart on his wing
- homiedclown

Fact :jack doesn't need sam

He will still be elite if moved no big deal next guy up

Awaiting the "moron shoulda picked Draisaitl" argument.
- TheSabresTaco

if panthers picked reinhart, murray was picking bennett over ekblad at 2

50 -60 pt player that hasn't scored past 25g and a cap hit of 7m -8m

Not smart
- gerbe75pts

You also don’t know that’s the cap hit so....

Fact :jack doesn't need sam

He will still be elite if moved no big deal next guy up
- gerbe75pts

you spelled opinion wrong

if panthers picked reinhart, murray was picking bennett over ekblad at 2
- homiedclown

That... would have been a mistake

Joe Thornton, bad player, never scored 30
- TheSabresTaco

Big Joe is a center next

50 -60 pt player that hasn't scored past 25g and a cap hit of 7m -8m

Not smart
- gerbe75pts

The guy was 3 goals short of 25 with 13 games remaining. Projecting would have him at 26.