There were no reports of him busting and most trackers had him projecting to a 2nd line centre. Which realistically puts him where we need him. 3rd line centre. The only thing I can think of is his fractured leg affected his skating a lot. Still a major overpayment. Aside from getting kap the other two players were downgrades that realistically never suit up aside from the ahl. So basically a 1st for kap, lesser prospects, and still have jj ffs
- 10inchTerror

We'll know for sure in 2 or 3 years, but Organizations don't just give away "2nd line centers"

Guys age 20 seasons are a lot more telling then their age 18 seasons

if you didn't trade for sheary, you would still have kahun and your first round pick



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- homiedclown

Nah, it was all over the second JJ signed that contract.

Good news: Kapanen was a smart target for a RW who might be able to succeed in an elevated role. A year removed from 20 goals and had 1.9 pts/60 each of the past 2 years. Very little PP time and an impossible depth chart to climb with Marner and Nylander. I could certainly see him jump in scoring here, especially if he can show something on the PP.

Bad news: GMJR traded a lot on a gamble by trading 2 of our top 5 pick/prospect assets. If Kapanen is a clear cut top 6 this is fine. If he fills that PP role it's a win. If he's just the middle 6 talent he's been in Toronto this was a loss.

The way I'm going to have to look at this so its positive is: were any of the pieces the Pens traded going to help next season? No, or very good chance of no.

Kapanen will have a positive impact on Pens roster next season.

Long offseason yet... But no matter what, if JJ isnt offloaded in it, it'll be a failure overall to me no matter what haha

Kap can play the PP? With his 6 PP points over 2 seasons? Lol I dunno about that.

Personally, I think they should just use Rust there and work on his half wall game during the off-season.

I will agree the he is better suited for top 6 than most of them except maybe Horny.


https://twitter.com/domlu.../1298287922932785152?s=21

Doms model doesn’t treat Kap well and his model is usually pretty solid...
- j.boyd919

Whats the sample on that? Toronto is absolutely stacked at forward and Kapanen doesn’t sniff top PP time over there. His shot would dictate he’d be a better option on the left dot than Rust.

We'll know for sure in 2 or 3 years, but Organizations don't just give away "2nd line centers"

Guys age 20 seasons are a lot more telling then their age 18 seasons
- TheGame316

For sure, but a proven bust is still worth less than a not yet proven bust. And since we need a 3rd line centre he was pretty much the only internal option not named McCann to have a shot.

After Ruth’s comment about McCann I’d say him instead of the first would be a fairer trade.

Good news: Kapanen was a smart target for a RW who might be able to succeed in an elevated role. A year removed from 20 goals and had 1.9 pts/60 each of the past 2 years. Very little PP time and an impossible depth chart to climb with Marner and Nylander. I could certainly see him jump in scoring here, especially if he can show something on the PP.

Bad news: GMJR traded a lot on a gamble by trading 2 of our top 5 pick/prospect assets. If Kapanen is a clear cut top 6 this is fine. If he fills that PP role it's a win. If he's just the middle 6 talent he's been in Toronto this was a loss.
- Tojo.

There's no good news in this lol

A 1st + a decent prospect in Hallander for a decent middle-six winger and two schmucks? Ridiculous.

if you didn't trade for sheary, you would still have kahun and your first round pick



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- homiedclown

What on earth does Connor Sheary have to do with this...?


You have a generational talent who cannot get into the playoffs. Going to be funny when Eichel requests a trade.

Good news: Kapanen was a smart target for a RW who might be able to succeed in an elevated role. A year removed from 20 goals and had 1.9 pts/60 each of the past 2 years. Very little PP time and an impossible depth chart to climb with Marner and Nylander. I could certainly see him jump in scoring here, especially if he can show something on the PP.

Bad news: GMJR traded a lot on a gamble by trading 2 of our top 5 pick/prospect assets. If Kapanen is a clear cut top 6 this is fine. If he fills that PP role it's a win. If he's just the middle 6 talent he's been in Toronto this was a loss.
- Tojo.

Kapanen was solid with Johnsson and Kadri

His line fell apart when Kadri was traded for Kerfoot and Johnsson was injured all year

Kapanen will be a nice piece with Sid

I don’t see who exactly in this lineup is blocking Kap from playing in the top six?

if you didn't trade for sheary, you would still have kahun and your first round pick



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- homiedclown

I’d much rather have Kahun than anything that happened.

What on earth does Connor Sheary have to do with this...?


You have a generational talent who cannot get into the playoffs. Going to be funny when Eichel requests a trade.
- SuperHenderson13

Lol Eichel is not a generational talent.

Just to qualify Rod you have to spend over 2 mill.... That's almost 2/3rds of Kaps cap hit right there.... Id say they'll flip him again.

Good news: Kapanen was a smart target for a RW who might be able to succeed in an elevated role. A year removed from 20 goals and had 1.9 pts/60 each of the past 2 years. Very little PP time and an impossible depth chart to climb with Marner and Nylander. I could certainly see him jump in scoring here, especially if he can show something on the PP.

Bad news: GMJR traded a lot on a gamble by trading 2 of our top 5 pick/prospect assets. If Kapanen is a clear cut top 6 this is fine. If he fills that PP role it's a win. If he's just the middle 6 talent he's been in Toronto this was a loss.
- Tojo.

He’s a middle 6 guy. It’s best to kill the idea of any hope now. Will do you wonders in the long run.

I don’t see who exactly in this lineup is blocking Kap from playing in the top six?
- Grinder47

Personally I think I’d prefer Hornqvist in the top 6.

I don’t see who exactly in this lineup is blocking Kap from playing in the top six?
- Grinder47

There isn’t anyone and that’s the issue.

The way I'm going to have to look at this so its positive is: were any of the prices the Pens traded going to help next season? No, or very good chance of no.

Kapanen will have a positive impact on Pens roster next season.

Long offseason yet... But no matter what, if JJ isnt offloaded in it, it'll be a failure overall to me no matter what haha
- MattStrat

This. But without a first or a second we don’t have much to offload him with.

And with no 1st next year the dark days are gonna be dark if we don’t have good asset management.

I’m sure there would have been a better ufa, even if it’s a lefty like Hoffman/Dadonov. There’s more than enough skill on this team to run a decent pp without a right hand sniper. Then we’d still have assets.

Just to qualify Rod you have to spend over 2 mill.... That's almost 2/3rds of Kaps cap hit right there.... Id say they'll flip him again.
- MattStrat

I doubt they qualify him. They can just let him walk as a UFA.

I didnt mind him. He didnt get much of a chance which just shows you how stupid that Sheary trade was. Rutherford wasnt targeting both guys, he just wanted Sheary

if you didn't trade for sheary, you would still have kahun and your first round pick



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- homiedclown

Kahun was also an RFA and arbitration eligible. So you don't qualify him or you take him to arbitration and he gets awarded 3 - 3.5 Million, for a guy who didn't really fit in

So, now he becomes hard to trade or you end up walking away and losing him for nothing anyways

Lots of belly aching going on here. The deal is Kapanen for a 1st

Neither Lindgren or Hallander are can’t miss prospects, they’re easily a wash.
Rodrigues is a fringe 4th liner and everything else in the deal isn’t even worth talking about.

Kapanen has turned into a very reliable player, that can play on any line and was one of Toronto’s top PKers.
Im curious what everyone thinks the 15th overall pick is worth.

This is a fair trade.

Kahun was also an RFA and arbitration eligible. So you don't qualify him or you take him to arbitration and he gets awarded 3 - 3.5 Million, for a guy who didn't really fit in

So, now he becomes hard to trade or you end up walking away and losing him for nothing anyways
- TheGame316

Maybe he knew what Ruth and sully were really upto and he didn’t want to play on a losing team. 🤷🏻‍♂️

My only regret with this trade is it would have been nice to have some capspace this offseason with a 2 season flat cap there could be a lot of players looking for short term deals and not a lot of money to go around

Might have missed out on some real value

Kap can play the PP? With his 6 PP points over 2 seasons? Lol I dunno about that.

Personally, I think they should just use Rust there and work on his half wall game during the off-season.

I will agree the he is better suited for top 6 than most of them except maybe Horny.


https://twitter.com/domlu.../1298287922932785152?s=21

Doms model doesn’t treat Kap well and his model is usually pretty solid...
- j.boyd919

Kap will get top PP time here, I'm sure he wasn't above Marner or Nylander for Toronto. Not justifying this trade just saying on the Pens he's now currently our top PP righty.

What on earth does Connor Sheary have to do with this...?


You have a generational talent who cannot get into the playoffs. Going to be funny when Eichel requests a trade.
- SuperHenderson13

kahun and pick 15


or kap


thought it was a simple question

I'll dumb it down for you next time I want to ask a question

d!ck

Lots of belly aching going on here. The deal is Kapanen for a 1st

Neither Lindgren or Hallander are can’t miss prospects, they’re easily a wash.
Rodrigues is a fringe 4th liner and everything else in the deal isn’t even worth talking about.

Kapanen has turned into a very reliable player, that can play on any line and was one of Toronto’s top PKers.
Im curious what everyone thinks the 15th overall pick is worth.

This is a fair trade.
- stackthepads

This

Kapanen was the #22 overall pick to turned in to a legit NHLer

So, buying him back for #15 is about right