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PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 25 @ 2:14 PM ET
FRom The Athletic:




and this....

- MBFlyerfan



Thanks for posting that. I personally felt that Thompson was good last night, on both sides of the ice. So was Grant. I thought Roo and Voracek had decent games too. Couturier was much more visible in the offensive zone, especially against the walls, but had that lapse. I don't get why they are suddenly whipping posts.

I feel that if if any one of the Hayes break away, the Giroux post, the Konecny block (TK has to bear down a little harder on that shot. Don't just look to tap it in when there is a D-man. Lift it and put some mustard on it!)

I feel Ghost showed both his issues and his advantages. It is possible to acknowledge that both Hagg and Ghost have different strengths and weaknesses without exalting one and criticizing the other. I just don't feel Ghost belongs with Braun on the 3rd pairing.

Some players seem to be playing at 90%. This includes Niskanen, Laughton, Sanheim. Some players need to play at post-season 110% intensity. The only guys I see that from are Voracek, Hart, Provorov, Raffl, Hayes, Thompson and Ghost.

The others need to really get more intense and focus.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 25 @ 2:15 PM ET
Ghost was fine last night.

Braun and Niskanen? Not so much.

- MBFlyerfan

Yup. Both seem to have lost a step since the shutdown. Honestly, I’d dress Hagg over Braun and go:

Provy-Ghost•
Sanheim-Myers
Hagg-Niskanen
•replace with Niskanen for pk

mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Aug 25 @ 2:19 PM ET
Yup. Both seem to have lost a step since the shutdown. Honestly, I’d dress Hagg over Braun and go:

Provy-Ghost•
Sanheim-Myers
Hagg-Niskanen
•replace with Niskanen for pk

- BiggE


I would be fine with trying this.
StepfordSam
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.06.2017

Aug 25 @ 2:25 PM ET
The Flyers leaders can't be the last guy in the pool when it comes to effort in a playoff game. Boy, is it too much to ask for max effort in the playoffs? The marriage between effort and winning in the playoffs is too strong.

Even if guys start to take liberties after the whistle blows, the commitment and effort needs to stay consistent. I know some guys on the Isles fall too well, but that is just something that needs to be ignored.

Its time to plow ahead with their grand plans of the Stanley Cup, even if the Isles are a much younger, more muscular and fit team than the Flyers. I truly believe the Flyers are more talented at the end of the day.
login
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.21.2020

Aug 25 @ 2:34 PM ET
Based on the fact he is only 21.

https://www.sportstalkphi...07/high-expectations.html

- MBFlyerfan

Dont care if he was 15. To say he will have a long career is just inaccurate. No one knows, likely not even the player himself.

That is company line talk. What is he supposed to say?
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 25 @ 2:44 PM ET
Dont care if he was 15. To say he will have a long career is just inaccurate. No one knows, likely not even the player himself.

That is company line talk. What is he supposed to say?

- login


Hey whatever. Agree to disagree.
Djapana
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Sunset Dreaming, FL
Joined: 09.16.2017

Aug 25 @ 2:46 PM ET
The poster is completely inaccurate in his description of Gostisbehere's play last night. He played well.
- MJL


0 SOG, 0 Hits, 1 BLK, 0 TK, Team leading 4 GV.

I would hate to see his stat line on a bad night.
atibus
Joined: 06.23.2011

Aug 25 @ 2:51 PM ET
We've seen them respond from bad games before. Tomorrow we will see what they got in their drawers. Hopefully it's some jam... we need some jam.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 25 @ 2:58 PM ET
Who says you’re not allowed to express your opinion on an open forum hockey chat board lol. That’s what this place is for. Who cares if people don’t agree with you, let them respectfully debate points with you. If you don’t like to debate, not you personally, then perhaps this isn’t for you.
- Dave21Brown


I’m just reading that some people didn’t like what Ghost had to offer. Some are saying that person is wrong, inaccurate, oh it’s not like the entire team was bad or anything, blah blah blah. Or they’re beating up on Thompson or Grant. Why can’t people do this?

You want my opinion on Ghost? Outside of his first shift I barely noticed him. Ghost did have a bad first shift. He was trying to skate the puck out from the back of the net and turned it over in front of the net. Ghost was forcing shots from the point. Beyond that, didn’t notice him.

Nate Thompson on the other hand has been the same player every night since coming to philly. In a perfect would Nate Thompson doesn’t play but because we’re really not that deep, he’s playing and playing to the best of his ability.

Just my opinion.
Lip_Out
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Kalamazoo, NT
Joined: 11.03.2017

Aug 25 @ 2:59 PM ET
Gostisbehere was a part of the most effective defensive pairing yesterday. 67.5% CF 65%xGF 4HDCF 2HDCA.

Bill I'd like to point out you cited Ghost was not a part of the solution yesterday and painted him in a negative connotation on Twitter for not getting shots through. To be dominant in possession, largely out-chance your opposition and allow 0 goals while on the ice is more than most could reasonably ask of a third-pairing defender. To paint his game yesterday in a negative light is inaccurate.

dramado
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Paradise, NF
Joined: 03.16.2018

Aug 25 @ 3:00 PM ET
doesnt change what was said.
- login



Doesn't change what was said, but diminishes the point I would say.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 25 @ 3:03 PM ET
Kapanen being traded to Pitt just adds to how disappointed I am with last night’s game.
BroadSTmayhem
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2012

Aug 25 @ 3:05 PM ET
What key role? Missing a big hit on Sanheim?
- jmatchett383


Did you watch the game? Key forecheck on the second goal, 10 hits in the game (many of which lead to turnovers)...name one Flyer that had a more impactful game.
login
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.21.2020

Aug 25 @ 3:07 PM ET
Doesn't change what was said, but diminishes the point I would say.
- dramado

nope the point was he turned it over a lot. end result doesn't change that in any way
login
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.21.2020

Aug 25 @ 3:08 PM ET
I’m just reading that some people didn’t like what Ghost had to offer. Some are saying that person is wrong, inaccurate, oh it’s not like the entire team was bad or anything, blah blah blah. Or they’re beating up on Thompson or Grant. Why can’t people do this?

You want my opinion on Ghost? Outside of his first shift I barely noticed him. Ghost did have a bad first shift. He was trying to skate the puck out from the back of the net and turned it over in front of the net. Ghost was forcing shots from the point. Beyond that, didn’t notice him.

Nate Thompson on the other hand has been the same player every night since coming to philly. In a perfect would Nate Thompson doesn’t play but because we’re really not that deep, he’s playing and playing to the best of his ability.

Just my opinion.

- SuperSchennBros

I equate it to if you disagree with democrat. Your wrong and a bad person
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 25 @ 3:13 PM ET
I equate it to if you disagree with democrat. Your wrong and a bad person
- login

It’s such a ridiculous argument. Ghost didn’t play this perfect game yesterday. He wasn’t on the ice for any goals against. Great! Regardless, he couldn’t get shots through and he had a first really bad shift where he was trying to skate the puck out of the zone but turned it over in front of the net. He couldn’t get the puck out of the defensive zone in the first shift. It was just one shift but don’t pretend it didn’t happen.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 25 @ 3:21 PM ET
Did you watch the game? Key forecheck on the second goal, 10 hits in the game (many of which lead to turnovers)...name one Flyer that had a more impactful game.
- BroadSTmayhem


Carter Hart

EVERY Islander skater outplayed their Flyers counterpart last night. Doesn't make them all impactful players.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 25 @ 3:23 PM ET
I’m just reading that some people didn’t like what Ghost had to offer. Some are saying that person is wrong, inaccurate, oh it’s not like the entire team was bad or anything, blah blah blah. Or they’re beating up on Thompson or Grant. Why can’t people do this?

You want my opinion on Ghost? Outside of his first shift I barely noticed him. Ghost did have a bad first shift. He was trying to skate the puck out from the back of the net and turned it over in front of the net. Ghost was forcing shots from the point. Beyond that, didn’t notice him.

Nate Thompson on the other hand has been the same player every night since coming to philly. In a perfect would Nate Thompson doesn’t play but because we’re really not that deep, he’s playing and playing to the best of his ability.

Just my opinion.

- SuperSchennBros


And no one is saying you CAN'T say that...simply that they disagree.

Disagreements are not personal attacks.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Aug 25 @ 3:33 PM ET
It’s such a ridiculous argument. Ghost didn’t play this perfect game yesterday. He wasn’t on the ice for any goals against. Great! Regardless, he couldn’t get shots through and he had a first really bad shift where he was trying to skate the puck out of the zone but turned it over in front of the net. He couldn’t get the puck out of the defensive zone in the first shift. It was just one shift but don’t pretend it didn’t happen.
- SuperSchennBros

oh wow 1 bad shift out of how many?
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Aug 25 @ 3:34 PM ET
And no one is saying you CAN'T say that...simply that they disagree.

Disagreements are not personal attacks.

- jmatchett383

some interpret them as such
Bendecko
Location: Cave Putorium
Joined: 02.29.2020

Aug 25 @ 3:37 PM ET
We've seen them respond from bad games before. Tomorrow we will see what they got in their drawers. Hopefully it's some jam... we need some jam.
- atibus


Since the coaching staff reads HockeyBuzz religiously as their exclusive guide to running the team, here's the proven method to get the jam out:

J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Aug 25 @ 3:40 PM ET
WOW. From some of the posts on here you would have thought they played games 1-4 last night and got swept.

Did they come out flat? Yes. But some one here are jumping off the cliff like they lost 4 straight games last night.

It's a series for a reason. They could make adjustments and win games 2-5. I never thought this would be a short series.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Aug 25 @ 3:40 PM ET
WOW. From some of the posts on here you would have thought they played games 1-4 last night and got swept.

Did they come out flat? Yes. But some one here are jumping off the cliff like they lost 4 straight games last night.

It's a series for a reason. They could make adjustments and win games 2-5. I never thought this would be a short series.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 25 @ 3:42 PM ET
some interpret them as such
- 2Real


Well that's a psychological issue they have to deal with.

It's not against the rules to disagree with someone.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Aug 25 @ 3:45 PM ET
We need FlySkippy’s “flip the switch” GIF
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