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Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.17.2013

Aug 25 @ 3:51 PM ET
WOW. From some of the posts on here you would have thought they played games 1-4 last night and got swept.

Did they come out flat? Yes. But some one here are jumping off the cliff like they lost 4 straight games last night.

It's a series for a reason. They could make adjustments and win games 2-5. I never thought this would be a short series.

- J35Bacher


This is way off base. We should, and we will, continue to act like this series is over after one game. I can't even believe you're suggesting they could come back from this hole.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Aug 25 @ 3:57 PM ET
At least I hit on a Carter Hart autographed rookie card and a jumbo Giroux game used patch card last night...
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 25 @ 4:19 PM ET
Gostisbehere was a part of the most effective defensive pairing yesterday. 67.5% CF 65%xGF 4HDCF 2HDCA.

Bill I'd like to point out you cited Ghost was not a part of the solution yesterday and painted him in a negative connotation on Twitter for not getting shots through. To be dominant in possession, largely out-chance your opposition and allow 0 goals while on the ice is more than most could reasonably ask of a third-pairing defender. To paint his game yesterday in a negative light is inaccurate.

- Lip_Out


Since you took the good stats from a site, you should also post the bad:

wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Aug 25 @ 4:25 PM ET
I think AV needs to make a lineup change. I guess Thompson and Grant played ok but they offer very little on the Breakouts or O zone, does Frost get a shot? The Flyers get the puck and seem to make the wrong play, the pressure works on them most of the times. It was the same with the Habs. For the first time this season the Flyers look lost and AV's decisions are not making a difference, though only lost 1 in a row

Jake Coots Farabee
TK Hayes Frost
JVR G Raffle
Pitlick Laughton NAK/Grant


MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 25 @ 4:29 PM ET
I think AV needs to make a lineup change. I guess Thompson and Grant played ok but they offer very little on the Breakouts or O zone, does Frost get a shot? The Flyers get the puck and seem to make the wrong play, the pressure works on them most of the times. It was the same with the Habs. For the first time this season the Flyers look lost and AV's decisions are not making a difference, though only lost 1 in a row

Jake Coots Farabee
TK Hayes Frost
JVR G Raffle
Pitlick Laughton NAK/Grant

- wcorvette


I think its nuts to put a kid in who hasn't played an actual game in months, and wasn't playing all that great, in to a playoff series.


wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Aug 25 @ 4:30 PM ET
On D, can Provy carry a pair? Could he be with Braun, would hate to give Braun to many minutes. I think Ghost held his own, one of the few that showed all effort. Could he play with Nisk.

Tough calls as I dont think Braun and Ghost compliment each other when they play. Honestly if Braun was playing to the level he played most of the season you could leave the D as is but again the rest of the team isn't playing to that level.

PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 25 @ 4:33 PM ET
On D, can Provy carry a pair? Could he be with Braun, would hate to give Braun to many minutes. I think Ghost held his own, one of the few that showed all effort. Could he play with Nisk.

Tough calls as I dont think Braun and Ghost compliment each other when they play. Honestly if Braun was playing to the level he played most of the season you could leave the D as is but again the rest of the team isn't playing to that level.

- wcorvette


My suspicion is that when he is partnered with Ghost, Braun is totally unsure what Ghost can do in or near the paint, so he desperately tries to prevent the play from going there and ends up doing too much. Its strange to see a vet D-man suddenly fall and flounder only when he is paired with a particular partner.

That was one cluster(frank) when he started rolling around on the ice near the goal. Isles cold have been 3-0 up after the first.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Aug 25 @ 4:34 PM ET
I think its nuts to put a kid in who hasn't played an actual game in months, and wasn't playing all that great, in to a playoff series.
- MBFlyerfan



it could be but the way they are playing you need more skill in my opinion. I am open to other choices I just think the current lineup needs a jolt. I dont the big guys need to play up but Grant and Thompson are not adding very much and scoring is the biggest issue.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 25 @ 4:35 PM ET
I think its nuts to put a kid in who hasn't played an actual game in months, and wasn't playing all that great, in to a playoff series.
- MBFlyerfan


Its not gonna happen. Undersized erratic underdeveloped inexperienced rookie, who has trouble with his game away from the puck, suddenly thrust in to line ups in playoffs when we are down?
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Aug 25 @ 4:39 PM ET
Its not gonna happen. Undersized erratic underdeveloped inexperienced rookie, who has trouble with his game away from the puck, suddenly thrust in to line ups in playoffs when we are down?
- PT21



I don't think it will either but they need the skill set he has. The other part is that the bottom 6 get the puck and they are not making the next play, they get pinned in, turnover or just clear it. This is where you miss Oscar and even Patrick's skill set. Who knows maybe they play through this but it feels like it was this way in the last series and game 1 here. 1 more game like that and changes will have to be made and chances taken.
Landsbergfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gävle, Sweden
Joined: 07.15.2014

Aug 25 @ 4:43 PM ET
At least I hit on a Carter Hart autographed rookie card and a jumbo Giroux game used patch card last night...
- hereticpride

You mean Jeff Carter, G needs a sniper so he at least get some points.
Richieattack18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Girouxsalem
Joined: 07.13.2010

Aug 25 @ 4:56 PM ET
We just going to ignore the absolutely atrocious turnover by ghost behind the net for no reason that went out front of the net that got completely bailed out by hart on a point blank 1 timer?? It wasn't just that instance but he turned it over non stop in the d zone. Provided nothing offensively too. So what is the point of him playing? Yes he has potential apparently to return to his dominant seasons when he entered the league. However when are people going to accept the fact that ghost is what he is at this point? Which is trash
LW2530
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Anyone have some change?, FL
Joined: 09.12.2006

Aug 25 @ 4:59 PM ET
Undersized erratic underdeveloped inexperienced rookie, who has trouble with his game away from the puck, suddenly thrust in to line ups in playoffs when we are down?
- PT21


Sounds like Hextalls description of Ghost a few years ago when thrust into the lineup. Said he was going to "watch him like a hawk". He did ok.

Some thrive on the big stage. Let's see.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 25 @ 5:10 PM ET
Sounds like Hextalls description of Ghost a few years ago when thrust into the lineup. Said he was going to "watch him like a hawk". He did ok.

Some thrive on the big stage. Let's see.

- LW2530

There is no comparison to coming up from the AHL during the season than to stepping into game 2 of the 2nd round of the playoffs after not having played a meaningful game in months.

Seriously? You can’t see this?
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 25 @ 5:14 PM ET
Sounds like Hextalls description of Ghost a few years ago when thrust into the lineup. Said he was going to "watch him like a hawk". He did ok.

Some thrive on the big stage. Let's see.

- LW2530




Slight difference between the regular season and a 2nd round playoff game down 1-0.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Aug 25 @ 5:22 PM ET
You mean Jeff Carter, G needs a sniper so he at least get some points.
- Landsbergfan

Wat?
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Aug 25 @ 5:26 PM ET
Just saw the Pens trade. That’s about the most Rutherford trade I’ve ever seen Rutherford make.
LW2530
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Anyone have some change?, FL
Joined: 09.12.2006

Aug 25 @ 5:31 PM ET
Slight difference between the regular season and a 2nd round playoff game down 1-0.
- MBFlyerfan


Like I said - maybe he thrives. Another difference is there are not 20k screaming fans. So that fact may help, with a non traditional playoff feel to everything.


PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Aug 25 @ 5:32 PM ET
I think AV needs to make a lineup change. I guess Thompson and Grant played ok but they offer very little on the Breakouts or O zone, does Frost get a shot? The Flyers get the puck and seem to make the wrong play, the pressure works on them most of the times. It was the same with the Habs. For the first time this season the Flyers look lost and AV's decisions are not making a difference, though only lost 1 in a row

Jake Coots Farabee
TK Hayes Frost
JVR G Raffle
Pitlick Laughton NAK/Grant

- wcorvette


Are you nuts? Frost can't be given a chance. He hasn't played a game in over 5 months. Better to keep the guys in the lineup you know are going to do nothing.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Aug 25 @ 5:39 PM ET
We need FlySkippy’s “flip the switch” GIF
- funmaster18


and peanuts released!
dramado
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Paradise, NF
Joined: 03.16.2018

Aug 25 @ 5:41 PM ET
nope the point was he turned it over a lot. end result doesn't change that in any way
- login



It changes it in every way... and you know it, pal!
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Aug 25 @ 5:51 PM ET
and peanuts released!
- Scoob


And his animated emojis and quick wit!
Peter Richards
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Aug 25 @ 6:02 PM ET
Wtf. I just saw kapanen is back with the pens.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Aug 25 @ 6:05 PM ET
Wtf. I just saw kapanen is back with the pens.
- Peter Richards

Rutherford should be fired lol. I get if they want help for Sid and Malkin now but you gotta get better than Kapanen for a mid 1st.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 25 @ 6:06 PM ET
0 SOG, 0 Hits, 1 BLK, 0 TK, Team leading 4 GV.

I would hate to see his stat line on a bad night.

- Djapana


Offensive puck moving defenseman are always going to have giveaways. The Flyers controlled 64% of the shot attempts when Gostisbhere was on the ice. The Flyers had the most scoring chances for out of any Flyers defenseman when he was on the ice. He was not on the ice for any of the goals against.
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