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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 25 @ 7:27 AM ET
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- henny1953


So Quebec is now filled with men and women from the 1800s living in bare-bones cottages?

Yeah, I'll take the mid-Atlantic USA.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Aug 25 @ 7:36 AM ET
The flyers looked terrified to even play this game. Jake wide eyed at opening face off. Coots turns over the puck in the slot seconds in. Pucks hopping over our guys sticks but not the isles. Flyers were intimidated and unfocused right at puck drop. This will be quick unless they decide they want to leave it all out there
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Aug 25 @ 7:37 AM ET
You seriously want to give Ghost #1 defensman minutes?? You want the Isles to score 7 in the next game? Ghost needs to have a seat in the press box next to JVR and the Flyers management needs to get the Seattle GM drunk so that he'll take JVR in the expansion draft. No, JVR hasn't earned being on the first line....he's soft as Charmain toilet paper. The Isles are a fast/physical team. Giving soft players more minutes is NOT the answer!
- Phillywhiteout


I would see whet jvr could do with Hayes and konecny.
kennygarcon
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.04.2007

Aug 25 @ 7:41 AM ET
Couturier is the biggest let down of this playoffs. He is the player that should be moved down the lines. Make him the third line centre and then his zero offensive contributions and "sound" defensive play makes more sense.
Couturier needs to be off the first power play, replaced by Hayes.

Watch the second goal last night. Not Selke-esque.
kennygarcon
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.04.2007

Aug 25 @ 7:45 AM ET
Giroux and Konecny are snake bitten. Pucks hopping over there blades, having their shots deflected, missing the net too much. But at least they are taking shots, looking like their is an opportunity to score.
When was the last time Couturier had a legit scoring chance? Made anything happen in the offensive end?
MOVE HIM DOWN THE LINEUP!
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 25 @ 7:46 AM ET
I see the scapegoating is out in full effect today.

The whole team was bad last night, except for Hart until the damn broke.

Not one of the forwards or defenseman last night was out there doing anything dynamic, a lot of going through the motions. It's not Ghost' fault, it's not JvR's fault, it's not Couturier's fault, or anyone else's fault specifically; it was a team failure.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Aug 25 @ 7:47 AM ET
Giroux and Konecny are snake bitten. Pucks hopping over there blades, having their shots deflected, missing the net too much. But at least they are taking shots, looking like their is an opportunity to score.
When was the last time Couturier had a legit scoring chance? Made anything happen in the offensive end?
MOVE HIM DOWN THE LINEUP!

- kennygarcon


For who? Grant?

kennygarcon
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.04.2007

Aug 25 @ 7:53 AM ET
For who? Grant?
- Just5


Sure. why not? Worse case he breaks even and contributes nothing.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 25 @ 7:55 AM ET
Sure. why not? Worse case he breaks even and contributes nothing.
- kennygarcon


Well, I'm just glad that logic has fled the coop.
BroadSTmayhem
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2012

Aug 25 @ 7:57 AM ET
When the likes of Ross Johnston played a key role in your opponent’s victory, you know you’re in trouble.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 25 @ 8:00 AM ET
When the likes of Ross Johnston played a key role in your opponent’s victory, you know you’re in trouble.
- BroadSTmayhem


What key role? Missing a big hit on Sanheim?
kennygarcon
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 02.04.2007

Aug 25 @ 8:01 AM ET
Well, I'm just glad that logic has fled the coop.
- jmatchett383


Explain?
Giroux was moved down the lineup. TK and Farabee has moved in and out of the top 6.
Couturier is playing poorly. He is borderline invisible. Put him on the third line and they can be a shut down energy line.
How about Konecny - Giroux - Voracek as the top line?



jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 25 @ 8:02 AM ET
Explain?
Giroux was moved down the lineup. TK and Farabee has moved in and out of the top 6.
Couturier is playing poorly. He is borderline invisible. Put him on the third line and they can be a shut down energy line.
How about Konecny - Giroux - Voracek as the top line?

- kennygarcon


It's not that you want Couturier moved down/minutes cut. It's that you thought that moving Derek Grant to the top line would be a fine idea when it was obviously proposed as a joke.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Aug 25 @ 8:03 AM ET
The flyers looked terrified to even play this game. Jake wide eyed at opening face off. Coots turns over the puck in the slot seconds in. Pucks hopping over our guys sticks but not the isles. Flyers were intimidated and unfocused right at puck drop. This will be quick unless they decide they want to leave it all out there
- Just5

Interesting take. I don’t know what’s to be intimidated about. It’s not like it’s a Western team they don’t really know.

I get it, everyone is pissed. Flyers were bad in the first. After that period it was all Flyers and the Isles scored on basically 2 of the 4 chances they had. Does it matter? No, they lost. Tip of the cap to the Isles. But if they play the way they did in the 2nd and 3rd, pucks will start going in. They will be fine.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 25 @ 8:04 AM ET
Flyers need some scoring. I would like to see what Frost has to offer. Farabee came in and was a boost. You notice him on the ice each time. Maybe Frost can do the same.

JVR-Couturier-Voracek
Farabee-Hayes-Konecny
Frost-Giroux-Aube-kubel
Raffl-Grant-Pitlick

Provorov-Gostisbhere
Sanheim-Myers
Niskanen-Braun

Also if we are playing ghost he needs to be playing prominent minutes with skilled players. And we obviously need offense. Same with JVR. All she needs is people skilled enough to get him the puck in the right place.

- youarewrong

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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 25 @ 8:06 AM ET
Interesting take. I don’t know what’s to be intimidated about. It’s not like it’s a Western team they don’t really know.

I get it, everyone is pissed. Flyers were bad in the first. After that period it was all Flyers and the Isles scores on basically 2 of the 4 chances they had. Does it matter? No, they lost. Tip of the cap to the Isles. But if they play the way they did in the 2nd and 3rd, pucks will start going in. They will be fine.

- Flyers1218


I didn't think they got a ton of good looks despite carrying the play/generating shots in the second and third. The Islanders will give you some shots but are fantastic at keeping the high danger areas clear and blocking shots, which is why it's critical to get the first goal against them. If you're just getting unscreened point shots or shots from bad angles, any decent goalie will make those saves 99 times out of 100. Need to find a way to create some offense.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Aug 25 @ 8:07 AM ET
Yes, because 4-0 is oh so much better.
- jmatchett383

Yes. Losing 7-0 is worse than 4-0.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 25 @ 8:08 AM ET
Yes. Losing 7-0 is worse than 4-0.
- SuperSchennBros


He never said we would lose 7-0. He said give up 7 goals. We could lose 7-3 or 7-4.

And I would disagree. Once you're shutout and giving up more than 3 goals, it stops mattering how many you give up (IMO).
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 25 @ 8:09 AM ET
First was completely sloppy. However it was encouraging to see them take the play to the Isles during the 2nd on.

The problem I saw was one of the things we have seen over and over again. Flyers seem to rely on the point shot through traffic too much. I feel like the only things I saw tonight were point shots and over passing.

The 1st line def needs to step up but other 2 lines arent producing either. The 1st line needs support as well.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


That's the way the Isles play. They lock down the middle of the ice and keep you to the outside. Unless you create transition offense off of turnover and create some odd man rushes, that's what you're looking at. That's why Gostisbehere is so important to staying in the lineup. He is very good at that. Otherwise you have to get traffic at the net and pucks at the net from where ever you can. If Varlarmov has clear sight lines, he's going to make the saves.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Aug 25 @ 8:11 AM ET
I didn't think they got a ton of good looks despite carrying the play/generating shots in the second and third. The Islanders will give you some shots but are fantastic at keeping the high danger areas clear and blocking shots, which is why it's critical to get the first goal against them. If you're just getting unscreened point shots or shots from bad angles, any decent goalie will make those saves 99 times out of 100. Need to find a way to create some offense.
- jmatchett383


That was as easy as a shutout comes for a goalie. He stopped a breakaway
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 25 @ 8:12 AM ET
Flyers need some scoring. I would like to see what Frost has to offer. Farabee came in and was a boost. You notice him on the ice each time. Maybe Frost can do the same.

JVR-Couturier-Voracek
Farabee-Hayes-Konecny
Frost-Giroux-Aube-kubel
Raffl-Grant-Pitlick

Provorov-Gostisbhere
Sanheim-Myers
Niskanen-Braun

Also if we are playing ghost he needs to be playing prominent minutes with skilled players. And we obviously need offense. Same with JVR. All she needs is people skilled enough to get him the puck in the right place.

- youarewrong


Frost was not ready for the NHL in the regular season. He hasn't played an NHL game since Feb 10th. Frost is not the answer.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 25 @ 8:14 AM ET
Frost was not ready for the NHL in the regular season. He hasn't played an NHL game since Feb 10th. Frost is not the answer.
- MJL


I agree, putting Frost in is a sign of desperation, just wishing and hoping.

If they go down 3-0 and can't score, I may have more of a "What have they got to lose" attitude, but not after losing 1 game.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Aug 25 @ 8:17 AM ET
I didn't think they got a ton of good looks despite carrying the play/generating shots in the second and third. The Islanders will give you some shots but are fantastic at keeping the high danger areas clear and blocking shots, which is why it's critical to get the first goal against them. If you're just getting unscreened point shots or shots from bad angles, any decent goalie will make those saves 99 times out of 100. Need to find a way to create some offense.
- jmatchett383

There were definitely some in my opinion. Greene made a great block on TKs. Hayes actually had Varlamov opened up for the backhand, but it bounced over his stick. They rang the one off the post. Several shots through screens just hit Varlamov that he had no clue where they were (credit to his positioning). Even Farabee nearly snuck that backhand past him late, where Varlamov was surprised by it.

Not taking ANYTHING away from the Isles. They won and did what they needed to. But that wasn’t a 4-0 game. A loss is a loss, but I came away from it thinking the Flyers are going to get a lot of chances and it’s theirs for the taking IF they are willing to elevate their game. I thought they skated better in this game then they did at any point in a Montreal game.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 25 @ 8:17 AM ET
I agree, putting Frost in is a sign of desperation, just wishing and hoping.

If they go down 3-0 and can't score, I may have more of a "What have they got to lose" attitude, but not after losing 1 game.

- jmatchett383


Frost may come in and play well but honestly, he's going to turn a series around and carry the team? If he could, he'd already be in there.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 25 @ 8:18 AM ET
There were definitely some in my opinion. Greene made a great block on TKs. Hayes actually had Varlamov opened up for the backhand, but it bounced over his stick. They rang the one off the post. Several shots through screens just hit Varlamov that he had no clue where they were (credit to his positioning). Even Farabee nearly snuck that backhand past him late, where Varlamov was surprised by it.

Not taking ANYTHING away from the Isles. They won and did what they needed to. But that wasn’t a 4-0 game. A loss is a loss, but I came away from it thinking the Flyers are going to get a lot of chances and it’s theirs for the taking IF they are willing to elevate their game. I thought they skated better in this game then they did at any point in a Montreal game.

- Flyers1218


Hasn't that been a theme to the playoffs for the Flyers to this point? With the exception of Voracek, top players aren't finishing their chances. That is death for a team in the playoffs. Has to happen.
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