Did you just say like 5 minutes ago that Jake wasn't moveable due to his contract???

I don't know what to do with Giroux and Coots in 2 years; that's an issue for 2 years from now (or close to it). No one is arguing with Giroux's lack of playoff success past 2012, and no one's saying he and Coots are playing well right now. But those are the only 2 vets that I wouldn't move. I know they have to be the team's best players, and they're not. But they've been broken up, sifted, etc. and it's still not working. I don't know what the answer us, but I don't think trading them just for a different look is a good idea, either.
- jmatchett383

No that is not what I said.

Ok you don't want to trade them, then what do you think they should do within the next 2 years while they are under contract?

Maybe expecting Claude to be the teams best player is the problem? Maybe he just isn that player any longer. Not saying he isnt productive just not that top level. Look at the teams still playing. Look at their top line and compare them to the flyers. Whre do the flyers rank?

No that is not what I said.

Ok you don't want to trade them, then what do you think they should do within the next 2 years while they are under contract?

Maybe expecting Claude to be the teams best player is the problem? Maybe he just isn that player any longer. Not saying he isnt productive just not that top level. Look at the teams still playing. Look at their top line and compare them to the flyers. Whre do the flyers rank?
- login

Bullpoop, you said, "With a flat cap not sure Jake is movable right now in a straight up trade." Not sure what "straight-up" means, but you basically said that his cap him versus production makes him a very hard asset to move.

Again, where have I said that the Flyers top line (or second line) is playing well right now, during these playoffs. Please, show me, and I'll admit I was wrong. Has ANYONE said that???

I don't have the solution to their problems, that's for the coaches and players to figure out. But I don't think sitting around and just poopting on them and demanding they trade them for the sake of trading them is a good idea either.

Edit: You're right, (frank) it, this team sucks, can't win jack poop. They should trade Coots and Giroux because they obviously can't win.

In fact, no reason to even play the next 3 games, just forfeit because no team this (frank)ing terrible could ever win.

Better?
- jmatchett383

Nice temper tantrum. Have they won anything being together x amount of years so far? Who said the team was terrible? Surely it wasnt I.

matman31, hello.
- Bendecko

Ciao

So, to clarify; they're not good enough to make it far; but if their best players start acting like their best players, they can make it far?
- jmatchett383

Read again. If their best players start producing, they can get back in this series.

"not trolling here" said the obvious troll. Go back to your hole. The Flyers beat the Canadiens without getting a goal from the top 5 regular season goal scorers. That's how far away your team is.
- mickel25

Which is why I said "non-playoff team". A bit bitter this morning?

Bullpoop, you said, "With a flat cap not sure Jake is movable right now in a straight up trade." Not sure what "straight-up" means, but you basically said that his cap him versus production makes him a very hard asset to move.

Again, where have I said that the Flyers top line (or second line) is playing well right now, during these playoffs. Please, show me, and I'll admit I was wrong. Has ANYONE said that???

I don't have the solution to their problems, that's for the coaches and players to figure out. But I don't think sitting around and just poopting on them and demanding they trade them for the sake of trading them is a good idea either.
- jmatchett383

Yes not sure movable in a hockey trade. doesn't mean he cant be moved. Being as knowledgeable as you are you full well know what a hockey trade is stop acting otherwsie

Who is poopting on them? So now making observations and voicing an opinion equates to poopting on them? Where am I poopting on them? Flat out said all 3 are good individual players.

Nice temper tantrum. Have they won anything being together x amount of years so far? Who said the team was terrible? Surely it wasnt I.
- login

I'm just trying to figure out what you want them to do in the near future (as in the next week). From what I've seen from you, you seem like it doesn't matter what they do because they can't win with the group they have. So again, why even play?

I guess a team, that has repeatedly failed and hasn't produced anything isn't "terrible" to you. Just very bad?

I knew the Flyers weren't good enough to make it far. They had trouble with a non-playoff team...so what did you think was going to happen? Not trolling here..but the Flyers are just missing a couple of pieces to really be contenders. That said, they could easily get back in it if the so-called stars start to produce.
- Good On Paper

They lost one game. Jesus.

I'm just trying to figure out what you want them to do in the near future (as in the next week). From what I've seen from you, you seem like it doesn't matter what they do because they can't win with the group they have. So again, why even play?

I guess a team, that has repeatedly failed and hasn't produced anything isn't "terrible" to you. Just very bad?
- jmatchett383

As you said its the coaches and GM's job to figure it out what to do in the near future is it not?

They haven't shown they can win as group have they? Is it so off base to say it? again I have not in anyway said this is a terrible team. So drop that narrative.

Which is why I said "non-playoff team". A bit bitter this morning?
- Good On Paper

Typical Montreal. Always trying to be the center of attention at a party you weren't invited to.

Typical Montreal. Always trying to be the center of attention at a party you weren't invited to.
- mickel25

Typical Pennsylvania bumhole.

As you said its the coaches and GM's job to figure it out what to do in the near future is it not?

They haven't shown they can win as group have they? Is it so off base to say it? again I have not in anyway said this is a terrible team. So drop that narrative.
- login

I guess I’ll worry about it if they don’t win it all this year. They lost ONE game. ONE. The series is 1-0.

I’m not saying not to critique the loss or the lineup or whatever. But the sky isn’t falling just yet.

Typical Pennsylvania bumhole.
- Good On Paper

I mean you did come here to stir it up. We can call it how it is. The Flyers win 4-0 and you wouldn’t be anywhere to be found.

As you said its the coaches and GM's job to figure it out what to do in the near future is it not?

They haven't shown they can win as group have they? Is it so off base to say it? again I have not in anyway said this is a terrible team. So drop that narrative.
- login

This is really the first year where they have had the depth to compete. I mean really compete. Like for a Stanley Cup. Not just barely make the playoffs after Giroux carries them for half a season. They have the goalie, two really good D pairings and depth scoring in the regular season. They are also a really good defensive team.

Expecting this team to compete for a cup or even win a series over the last 5-6 years was unrealistic. All that said, the bigs need to show up or they are done for this year. If they lose this series while getting nothing from Giroux, Coots and TK Fletcher will have to take that into account. Not sure what he does with that data but he will have to review it.

Typical Pennsylvania bumhole.
- Good On Paper

Pennsylvania bumholes are from the west side of the state. You know the team from PA the Habs actually beat.

I mean you did come here to stir it up. We can call it how it is. The Flyers win 4-0 and you wouldn’t be anywhere to be found.
- Flyers1218

I commented on a public blog and did so respectfully. My mistake.

I commented on a public blog and did so respectfully. My mistake.
- Good On Paper

If you have to type "not trolling here" before typing something you probably should not type it. The statement will probably be taken as disrespectful. Just an FYI.

This is really the first year where they have had the depth to compete. I mean really compete. Like for a Stanley Cup. Not just barely make the playoffs after Giroux carries them for half a season. They have the goalie, two really good D pairings and depth scoring in the regular season. They are also a really good defensive team.

Expecting this team to compete for a cup or even win a series over the last 5-6 years was unrealistic. All that said, the bigs need to show up or they are done for this year. If they lose this series while getting nothing from Giroux, Coots and TK Fletcher will have to take that into account. Not sure what he does with that data but he will have to review it.
- mickel25

The data is going to be skewed. How do you judge the “playoffs” this year? It’s obvious some on the team didn’t condition or prepare during the pause.

It’s the same situation for every team. But I don’t know how much stock I can put into these “playoffs”. The intensity has increased a bit, but it’s not traditional playoff speed. No road/home games to build/stop momentum. And the fact that some teams look like they are in October/November shape desperately trying to play at May shape.

If you have to type "not trolling here" before typing something you probably should not type it. The statement will probably be taken as disrespectful. Just an FYI.
- mickel25

I disagree. A lot of people get defensive (evidently) quite easily, so I thought it would be better to make my intentions clear.

I commented on a public blog and did so respectfully. My mistake.
- Good On Paper

I didn’t say you couldn’t and I don’t care that you did. My team lost 4-0 last night, so fans of other teams breaking chops comes with the territory.

But you came here to stir it up a little and then getting upset and defensive that Flyers fans didn’t like it, is well, pretty ridiculous.

I disagree. A lot of people get defensive (evidently) quite easily, so I thought it would be better to make my intentions clear.
- Good On Paper

Which you did and then made a statement of derision towards the Flyers. So that turned your statement into a trolling statement. Hence you are a troll.

Claiming not to be a troll and then acting like one still nets the same end result of you being a troll.

I didn’t say you couldn’t and I don’t care that you did. My team lost 4-0 last night, so fans of other teams breaking chops comes with the territory.

But you came here to stir it up a little and then getting upset and defensive that Flyers fans didn’t like it, is well, pretty ridiculous.
- Flyers1218

Dude, no one's upset here. All good, though. I'm out. Have a good day, everyone.

Dude, no one's upset here. All good, though. I'm out. Have a good day, everyone.
- Good On Paper

You as well. Be safe.

Read again. If their best players start producing, they can get back in this series.
- Good On Paper

Giroux has one goal in his last 23 playoff games. Couturier seems to be regressing. Konecny is too busy banging his stick on the ice and staring at the ceiling. Maybe they’ll be able to lock down the D and squeak out some greasy wins, but I wouldn’t hold my breath for any of these guys busting out offensively.