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Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Aug 27 @ 11:27 AM ET
Allow me to say that I strongly disagree with this temperament. It is intellectually lazy, incorrect and is doing immense damage to this country.

The media is made up of people. People have opinions, which will often seep into their writing. The media has never not been biased in the sense it is derided today. FDR was paralyzed from the waist down and was on a wheelchair for most of his life. The media almost never covered that aspect. Eisenhower had a murky affair with a British woman. Also almost never written about. I can provide gadzillions of such examples which in today's world would be seen as political bias.

Most professions carry with them certain temperaments which correlate with politics. Most people in Chamber of Commerce, or manufacturing, or military tend to lean right. Most intellectual professions: academics, journalism, lean left. Finance used to lean right, now it is moving towards left. Tech is largely left.

It is quite easy to separate opinion from fact before making one's own assessment. I provide an algorithm.

1. Look at which publications have the most to lose by printing a story that could be false. Consider for example the WSJ. The editorial board is decidedly right of center (in the Pre-Trump sense). But it also bases the paper's reputation on accuracy. If it allows the opinion to seep too much into facts, and gets exposed, it loses intellectual credibility and readership. This is immensely important to the paper.

It is this intellectual prestige that someone like Murdoch covets and why he spent decades trying to buy WSJ before the family that owns it finally gave up it's resistance. It is why Trump called the NYT a "great, great, World jewel" after inauguration and said he has been a regular reader for all his life. It definitely exists and it is a useful tool to judge the likelihood of a paper printing a false story just to get clicks/readership.

2. Look if whether the story is being covered by other publications. It is one thing to have one paper manufacture something. Another to have all of them manufacture the same stuff.

3. Make sure to at least quickly scan the top news from all directions of political coverage. Look at NYT, Wapo, Fox, Breitbart, to be at least aware of what the issues floating around are.

4. Be careful of using a source that tends to validate what you want to hear. Fox has always made this its extremely overt business plan. To a lesser extent, CNN has seen the financial light and followed and is making a ton of money. Avoid Fox, CNN, MSNBC etc for anything other than just awareness.

5. Look at the nature of the story itself. How well researched is it? How many people have spoken on the record? What is the nature of the sources (are they high ups or just some disgruntled hacks?) Is the journalist who broke the story someone who has a reputation for being correct (Seymour Hersh/Bob Woodward and so on).

6. Never use Facebook or social media for anything related to news. If it is important enough, it will be validated by steps 1-2.

7.Look especially at some international agencies that are outside the left-right polarization in this country. The BBC, the Financial Times, the Economist are extremely quality news organizations. So, is the Globe and Mail in Canada and Melbourne Age and Sydney Herald in Australia. Those all cover US politics but don't have to do it in the heat of the moment.

8. Think who has the most to gain by painting the media as corrupt, biased etc.

9. Ignore the people who froth and fume and use MSM and so on. They are fighting a cultural fight, not an objective one. They are likely the same people who will use phrases like Deep State and Globalists and Elitist and so on. That is just 1-2 slippery steps away from Q-Anon. On the flip side, what news sources are intelligent, successfulpeople reading who have no skin in the game? Doctors, moderate politicians, CEOs, and so on.

10. Don't be taken in by people who equate intelligence with elitism. You can only ignore facts for the short run. In the long run, the facts will ignore your ignorance. Facts matter.

- PT21


Solid checklist
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 27 @ 11:28 AM ET
Ugh you bastard lol. I am still salty about their reunion tour getting canned from COVID
- arichardson22


I'm pissed about 80s fest (Motley Crue, Def Leopard, Posion, Joan Jett) getting cancelled.
BadCowboyDan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.16.2017

Aug 27 @ 11:28 AM ET
Interesting post which I will not comment on, but as a professional economist with a years and years of experience in financial markets, I advise caution. Individual investors get chewed up and spat out by the markets. Your odds making money there are comparable to a gambler in a casino who thinks they can beat the house.
- PT21


I've been at it for 30+ years, so I know what you speak of... It was exactly my experience when I started. For the past 20 years I have been on the right side of most trades and I exit quickly when I am not... When the market turns again, there will be many RH traders in it's wake.
leon neon
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: GA
Joined: 02.16.2009

Aug 27 @ 11:29 AM ET
You could find numerous examples of Gostisbehere making a play and beating the forecheck and moving the puck out quickly to a forward in recent games that he's played.
- MJL


There has been 8 Flyer playoff games of which we're 5-3. When Ghost is playing the record is 2-2. When Hagg is in the lineup 4-1. They were in the lineup once together, the last win over the Habs. Yah, yah, yah, this player better than that... Score board... They win with Hagg in the line up, roll with it.

login
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.21.2020

Aug 27 @ 11:29 AM ET
false narrative? Jacob Blake wasn't shot seven times in the back? Sure looked like he was on the videos I saw.
- Dkos

Did he disobey police commands?
Did he continue to walk towards his car when told to stop?
Did he reach into his car?
Did he already scuffle with said police ?

So when he reaches into his his car the officer is
Supposed to them see what he is getting?

Real simple mantra. Listen when told to stop. 99.9% of the time then you won’t lose your life
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Aug 27 @ 11:29 AM ET
Honestly, they may be my favorite 1990s band (sorry Nirvana).
- jmatchett383


They are great.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 27 @ 11:30 AM ET
If people really cared about black lives. These games would have been boycotted long ago due to the exorbitantly high black on black murder rate in urban communities in this country
- Just5



But there is an institution in place for addressing black on black crime, or black on Asian, or white on white or woman on man.The police and the judicial system. We have by far the highest rate of sending people to jail in the world

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/s...prisons/html/nn2page1.stm

What exactly would the protesters protest?

There is essentially no institution in place for addressing police misbehavior. There are powerful unions and biased arbitration and immense political pressure in being "for law and order." Thus, there is grounds for protest.

One can see this point without agreeing about whether the protests are worthwhile or not.

The brain is your friend. Try to use it.
dramado
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Paradise, NF
Joined: 03.16.2018

Aug 27 @ 11:30 AM ET
Well yeah, if you play like Boston did last night, no goalie is winning. But of two, I wouldn't say that Elliott gives as much or better of a chance to win than Hart; I'd say the opposite.
- jmatchett383



It depends on if you consider Hart's recent back-to-back where he had his worst game of the playoffs in the second game. I know the other side of that is that Elliott has only played once, which was in the qualifiers. I personally think the fact that there is another back-to-back scheduled if the series goes to 7-games should be considered more.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 27 @ 11:34 AM ET
I've been at it for 30+ years, so I know what you speak of... It was exactly my experience when I started. For the past 20 years I have been on the right side of most trades and I exit quickly when I am not... When the market turns again, there will be many RH traders in it's wake.
- BadCowboyDan



If I may ask, what kind of trading do you do? Are you a private investor who uses a broker to make trades studying patterns etc?

Sorry, this is part of my bread and butter. Part of my living is that I advise a company on algorithmic trading. I am hoping to do this full time in 2 years time.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 27 @ 11:37 AM ET
Good explanation of the offsides non-call. I did not see this until just recently.

"Totally my responsibility," Vigneault said postgame in a video interview. "Bad call on my part. The linesman was right, the guy brought the puck back in but did not touch it until the player was out of the zone, so wrong call on my part. My mistake."

- cdearth23


Oh wow!
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 27 @ 11:39 AM ET
I would disagree. NAK has hustled his ass off, thrown several big hits, and had good efforts to win board battles and get it to the point. JVR on the other hand is completely useless and terrible.
- Richieattack18


I would agree with your disagreement.I thought NAK was very good. I would switch Pitlick and NAK and move latter up to 3rd line.
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Aug 27 @ 11:41 AM ET
Honestly, they may be my favorite 1990s band (sorry Nirvana).
- jmatchett383

I’ll tKe the chili peppers.


Who sits for Scotty l tonight?
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Aug 27 @ 11:41 AM ET
But there is an institution in place for addressing black on black crime, or black on Asian, or white on white or woman on man.The police and the judicial system. We have by far the highest rate of sending people to jail in the world

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/s...prisons/html/nn2page1.stm

What exactly would the protesters protest?

There is essentially no institution in place for addressing police misbehavior. There are powerful unions and biased arbitration and immense political pressure in being "for law and order." Thus, there is grounds for protest.

One can see this point without agreeing about whether the protests are worthwhile or not.

The brain is your friend. Try to use it.

- PT21


There has def been no questionable or unjustified white on white police use of force incidents this summer. Because the news would be all over them just like they were all over the Cannon Hinnant murder. There I used my brain
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Aug 27 @ 11:46 AM ET
I’ll tKe the chili peppers.


Who sits for Scotty l tonight?

- Peter Richards


80s RHCP is very good, after that, meh
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 27 @ 11:48 AM ET
80s RHCP is very good, after that, meh
- Scoob


Agreed. I liked everything up to BSSM. I liked One Hot Minute a bit, but didn't like the different sound they went to after that.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 27 @ 11:50 AM ET
There has def been no questionable or unjustified white on white police use of force incidents this summer. There I used my brain
- Just5


That is not what you said in the first post.

You said, essentially, that people who care about police violence against blacks should protest black on black violence (by civilians).

The thing is, one only protests if there is an institutional gap (in existence or in performance).

The Police and the judiciary exist. So there is no institutional gap.
And they are sending people to jail at very high rates, especially black people. So, there is no performance gap.

Iotw, there is nothing to protest there. There is a problem, and society is dealing with the problem.


Not the same for police violence. There is an institutional gap there and a performance gap too. So, society is not dealing with the problem.

In summary, you still refused to use your brain.

Ok, I don't want to have this go on and on. I caught up late with all the posts. Back to hockey.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Aug 27 @ 11:53 AM ET
We can agree on this.

In my opinion the problem with the third line isn’t JvR playing every other night but Derek Grant playing every night. He’s a fourth line center playing on the third line, who has lost momentum since having a career season. If Claude Giroux can’t make Grant better, who can? JvR is a guy who needs to drive to the net and have talent feed him. Am I the only one who doesn’t expect Grant and Pitlick to be these players? If JvR plays with Coots and Jake, you probably see a difference player, not that I’m asking for this.

- SuperSchennBros



Did you see how slow JVR was in backchecking on the 2nd Isles goal? He is by far the last forward to come back into the picture, while starting from a few feet of each other. You can see how slow his first few steps are relative to the others.

Was Grant to blame for that?
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Aug 27 @ 11:53 AM ET
That is not what you said in the first post.

You said, essentially, that people who care about police violence against blacks should protest black on black violence (by civilians).

The thing is, one only protests if there is an institutional gap (in existence or in performance).

The Police and the judiciary exist. So there is no institutional gap.
And they are sending people to jail at very high rates, especially black people. So, there is no performance gap.

Iotw, there is nothing to protest there. There is a problem, and society is dealing with the problem.


Not the same for police violence. There is an institutional gap there and a performance gap too. So, society is not dealing with the problem.

In summary, you still refused to use your brain.

Ok, I don't want to have this go on and on. I caught up late with all the posts. Back to hockey.

- PT21


The reoffending rate of black criminals is higher than that of white. So there will be a disparity if you want to take a look at a single level of analysis such as the incarceration rate of an offense.

Multilayered analysis is needed before making such a blanket statement
login
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.21.2020

Aug 27 @ 11:54 AM ET
That is not what you said in the first post.

You said, essentially, that people who care about police violence against blacks should protest black on black violence (by civilians).

The thing is, one only protests if there is an institutional gap (in existence or in performance).

The Police and the judiciary exist. So there is no institutional gap.
And they are sending people to jail at very high rates, especially black people. So, there is no performance gap.

Iotw, there is nothing to protest there. There is a problem, and society is dealing with the problem.


Not the same for police violence. There is an institutional gap there and a performance gap too. So, society is not dealing with the problem.

In summary, you still refused to use your brain.

Ok, I don't want to have this go on and on. I caught up late with all the posts. Back to hockey.

- PT21

Do yo think there is a problem with people who have encounters with law enforcement make it much worse by not listening to their commands?
No need to right a book simple Answer will suffice
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 27 @ 11:54 AM ET
Did you see how slow JVR was in backchecking on the 2nd Isles goal? He is by far the last forward to come back into the picture, while starting from a few feet of each other. You can see how slow his first few steps are relative to the others.

Was Grant to blame for that?

- PT21


Weren't both Islanders defenders behind JvR? If he collapses down low like the other 4, that leaves the point wide open.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Aug 27 @ 11:58 AM ET
Do yo think there is a problem with people who have encounters with law enforcement make it much worse by not listening to their commands?
No need to right a book simple Answer will suffice

- login


It’s what happens when you are raised not to respect the police.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 27 @ 11:59 AM ET
Do yo think there is a problem with people who have encounters with law enforcement make it much worse by not listening to their commands?
No need to right a book simple Answer will suffice

- login


No, I think Hart should have stopped the second goal. Had no chance on the others.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 27 @ 12:00 PM ET
It’s what happens when you are raised not to respect the police.
- Just5


Eh, not a great shot by Coots, but that was a nice move he pulled on the D.
Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.17.2013

Aug 27 @ 12:03 PM ET
No, I think Hart should have stopped the second goal. Had no chance on the others.
- jmatchett383


Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Aug 27 @ 12:05 PM ET
There has been 8 Flyer playoff games of which we're 5-3. When Ghost is playing the record is 2-2. When Hagg is in the lineup 4-1. They were in the lineup once together, the last win over the Habs. Yah, yah, yah, this player better than that... Score board... They win with Hagg in the line up, roll with it.
- leon neon

Interesting. I know there is a disparity with the regular season games this past year as well.
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