Idk know about generous especially when you look at who they are ahead of. Probably about right given they were around 10 and 14 the last couple times each organization’s prospect depth was ranked in the Athletic.

The prior 2 ranking they made it so high based on the sheer amount of prospects they thought had a shot at making the NHL vs having a couple guys in the system who were in the Elite/High End range.
- HawkintheD

I’m with you on Suter and we’ll see, but The Hawks have done a real nice job scouting a lot of thes players in Europe. If he’s Kahun or Kahun+ I’d consider that a win.

ESPN's mock draft has the Hawks taking this guy. Have read Wiz's thoughts on others but not this player.

Lukas Reichel, LW, Eisbaren Berlin (Germany)

The Blackhawks have needs throughout their system, though they look pretty loaded on the blue line at the moment. In this range, there remains a number of quality skill players, and Reichel provides a particularly high reward. He has raw skill, and as he tacks on some muscle, he has legitimate top-six upside. There are safer picks, but based on how our board has shaken out so far, among the available prospects, ceilings aren't much higher than Reichel's. He shows great hands and offensive sense.
- HawkintheD

To me I simply don't want a long term developmental possible who is similar to our Nylander as a guy whose junior career was one without a 200 foot game or much wall inclination. (Alexander has been more than willing to listen to advise, teaching and tactics in regards to his present age, and sure there has been improvement but ai am not so sure I am patient enough to bring in a another second gen kid and hair for him to do the same.
Here's the profile:
German left winger who finds open ice with his above average speed and agility in tight spaces. Has set-up skills and likes to shoot. Hasn’t established his 200 foot game and needs to add some physicality. Displays high end straight line speed who is dangerous around the net, and needs little time to get to full flight. Has a hard quick wrist shot and agility. Needs to improve his 200 foot game and be at bit more physical. Has an active stick, lateral quickness, first step quickness and quick head. Gets knocked off some pucks. The bloodline is there, as his uncle Robert played over 800 NHL games. Has transended from a still in development junior player to one who easily stands as an equal or better with the players around in the German DEL Although he is very thin and needs to thicken up, he is able to absorb hits and stay vertical. Keeps his feet moving is able to get to loose pucks and rebounds and gets his scoring chances.

Maybe there was one or two draft prognosticators who placed him in the first round (including Bob McKenzie's cscout consensus list)

I am curious of who ESPN's Chris Peters (?) had in the slots after 17 if you could tell us, Hawkinthe D...

It is very easy to read my player profiles on DraftSite, to the mock, and click on the player name.
IF FACT whatever you click on generates lists, so click Chicago you get the mock list of their slots, click LW you see all of them them, click on 17 you see the past 17's

I am not sure I am correct on where he goes off the board but in March, I still wasn't satisfied with what I saw to elevate him into the likes of the other German prospects, and figured he would linger past the Hawks present #46 2nd round SLOT.

again...another guy who a team may like so much they select him at #16 I hope so...one more guy I ranks as better will be there.

For those that watched the playoffs Saad was very noticeable. We need to keep Saad and add on. Like it was mentioned earlier on this board(Chunk?), Strome has talent but just does not fit this team, especially with the emergence of Dach. So Strome has to be dangled for a good return, either a good Dman or a top six forward needs to come back, we can add to Strome if need be.
- Angotti

Strome won't bring anywhere near that in trade.

Strome's success early on was tied to playing with Kane and a hot shooting/scoring ADB. Without Kane and with a cold ADB Strome was exposed as a 3C who could move to 2C if one of your top two centers was injured. I am not pushing to move him, but I surely would not offer him more than $2.1 mil. If someone offers him more take the 2nd round pick as RFA compensation.
- -Doh-

I like the $2.1 idea a lot. But it has to be one year or can we make it 3 and hope somebody makes a better offer or else we get him 3 years for that?

I am curious of who ESPN's Chris Petere (?) had in the slots after 17
- wiz1901

18. Kaiden Guhle
19. Connor Zary
20. Dylan Holloway
21. Jacob Perrault
22. Mavrik Bourque

Here's a quick synopsis of the Athletic's rankings for individual Hawk players and a definition of that particular tier designation.

1) Dach - Elite/High-end bubble

Elite NHL prospect: Projects as an impact player, someone who is top 10-15 percent in the NHL at his position.
- HawkintheD

I haven't been to the Athletic yet to read the "piece."
Look, it is again about time to call out Corey Pronman for what he is.


This WAS his draft board on Dach...I guess that Corey while watching the playoffs suddenly had an epiphany watching those five freaking games (if he even watched they throughout, right?)

It seems to be all about the bandwagon with him, the consensus, not really knowing from watching the progression

Corey Pronman:
Projected to be drafted #10 overall...
Kirby Dach, C, Saskatoon-WHL. High-end NHL prospect: Projects as a first-line forward
Jan. 21, 2001 | 6-foot-4 | 198 pounds
Skating: 55
Puck Skills: 60
Physical Game: 60
Hockey Sense: 60
When you think of what teams are looking for in a No. 1 center, it looks a lot like Dach. He’s a right-shot centerman who measures in around 6-foot-4, with a lot of skill and offensive IQ, and plays heavy minutes. He makes high-end plays to his teammates and through defenders with consistency. His vision particularly stands out. He has great patience, finds guys in traffic and makes tough passes when you least expect it. He’s a prototypical power play QB and plays a 5-foot-10 skill game in a big man’s body. Dach showed that he can play all situations. He’s not the most physical big man, but he’s reliable defensively and often played more than 20 minutes a night for Saskatoon in tough matchups. At the Hlinka Gretzky Cup, he showed he could be a net-front guy on the power play. Dach has good speed. His feet don’t match his skill and his first step could be a bit better, but overall he’s the total package and a player who projects to be a front-line center in the NHL. His consistency is the only issue I have. With his toolkit, he should have dominated the WHL, but he only did that in stretches with a midseason lull, though he ended his season strong.
Saskatoon Blades coach Mitch Love on Dach: “He’s a student of the game. He’s got a very high hockey IQ. His playmaking ability is second to none. There aren’t many 6-foot-4, 200 pound, 17-year-old players who can play center the way he can.”

Very surprised that Entwistle wasn't viewed as legit NHL player, and that they didn't even mention Kurashev.
- tvetter

The differences between "Special" and "Very Good" are like splitting hairs especially depending how good your team is. Kind of like the weatherman hedging his bets and saying "40% chance of rain."

To me I simply don't want a long term developmental possible who is similar to our Nylander as a guy whose junior career was one without a 200 foot game or much wall inclination. (Alexander has been more than willing to listen to advise, teaching and tactics in regards to his present age, and sure there has been improvement but ai am not so sure I am patient enough to bring in a another second gen kid and hair for him to do the same.
Here's the profile:
German left winger who finds open ice with his above average speed and agility in tight spaces. Has set-up skills and likes to shoot. Hasn’t established his 200 foot game and needs to add some physicality. Displays high end straight line speed who is dangerous around the net, and needs little time to get to full flight. Has a hard quick wrist shot and agility. Needs to improve his 200 foot game and be at bit more physical. Has an active stick, lateral quickness, first step quickness and quick head. Gets knocked off some pucks. The bloodline is there, as his uncle Robert played over 800 NHL games. Has transended from a still in development junior player to one who easily stands as an equal or better with the players around in the German DEL Although he is very thin and needs to thicken up, he is able to absorb hits and stay vertical. Keeps his feet moving is able to get to loose pucks and rebounds and gets his scoring chances.

Maybe there was one or two draft prognosticators who placed him in the first round (including Bob McKenzie's cscout consensus list)

I am curious of who ESPN's Chris Petere (?) had in the slots after 17 if you could tell us, Hawkinthe D...

It is very easy to read my player profiles on DraftSite, to the mock, and click on the player name.
IF FACT whatever you click on generates lists, so click Chicago you get the mock list of their slots, click LW you see all of them them, click on 17 you see the past 17's

I am not sure I am correct on where he goes off the board but in March, I still wasn't satisfied with what I saw to elevate him into the likes of the other German prospects, and figured he would linger past the Hawks present #46 2nd round SLOT.

again...another guy who a team may like so much they select him at #16 I hope so...one more guy I ranks as better will be there.
- wiz1901

Thanks for the analysis Wiz!

Think you’ll be interested to know, Peters had Holloway being taken two or three spots later.

Hadn’t been over to Drafsite yet but will give it another plug among the many. Really like the site, the analysis and it’s super easy to use.

The differences between "Special" and "Very Good" are like splitting hairs especially depending how good your team is. Kind of like the weatherman hedging his bets and saying "40% chance of rain."
- rpeters01

Because most of the people Corey gets his "scouting information" see him as I do as a skilled player with very good offensive instincts but is.CHICKEN POOP when the push leads to shoves b/c he doesn't like the shoving...



and this idea that you can accurately predict the future of young hockey prospects "scientificallY", I started a project going back over each and every year the hockey news did their prospects issues, and because it had players that became terrific NHLer and a hall of fame in Hossa as guys not worthy of top 5 mentions on their top ten lists , instead filling the tip five with guys who never saw NHL games or enough to smell the popcorn from the concession stands....

these guys dont know, I dont know...the kids that work and hone their skills bodies and work seem to get a better chance at playing, period.

Can they get a D man that can and will clear their own crease? Stay at home guys aren't considered studs, but they are a necessary component. Should be able to get a guy like that in a middle round.
- 6628

You are describing Dennis Gilbert.

18. Kaiden Guhle
19. Connor Zary
20. Dylan Holloway
21. Jacob Perrault
22. Mavrik Bourque
- gmurban

I'd wet my shorts (even mote frequently than now) if the big d=edgy defender and Holloway are there...

You are describing Dennis Gilbert.
- rpeters01

Not Dennis Gilbert.

Guys with really good boots, and sticks and offensive abilities and toughness.

Just take a look at the teams still in it and you will see all the team have more than one to go with their smaller defenders...

besides being a good balanced skater (and Gilbert is that) but Corey's idea his foot speed (NHL calibre he says) is what helps you win in the playoffs, I say look at the way the sport now is so connected to shadowing leaning and still being part of the integral five man attack rotations you have to have a accurate hard shot and wherewithal TO know when to walk up...
hell it is going to be a new age in the kids at dee all will relish it but you still see these big boys on the teams still in it who are nit slouches at jumping up after shadowing and working around their house first.

How quickly opinions change:
Pronman before the 2019 draft
Elite NHL Prospect/Star NHL Player
Alex Turcotte, C, USNTDP-USHL

Now
. Alex Turcotte, C, Wisconsin-Big Ten
Feb. 26, 2001 | 5-foot-11 | 185 pounds
Tier: Very good NHL player

Thats why it is is difficult to etch in stone what you think I guess, because you easily can get "Nail Yakupov-ed."

How quickly opinions change:
Pronman before the 2019 draft
Elite NHL Prospect/Star NHL Player
Alex Turcotte, C, USNTDP-USHL

Now
. Alex Turcotte, C, Wisconsin-Big Ten
Feb. 26, 2001 | 5-foot-11 | 185 pounds
Tier: Very good NHL player

Thats why it is is difficult to etch in stone what you think I guess, because you easily can get "Nail Yakupov-ed."
- wiz1901

And this downgrade is based on one season at Wisconsin?

ESPN's mock draft has the Hawks taking this guy. Have read Wiz's thoughts on others but not this player.

Lukas Reichel, LW, Eisbaren Berlin (Germany)

The Blackhawks have needs throughout their system, though they look pretty loaded on the blue line at the moment. In this range, there remains a number of quality skill players, and Reichel provides a particularly high reward. He has raw skill, and as he tacks on some muscle, he has legitimate top-six upside. There are safer picks, but based on how our board has shaken out so far, among the available prospects, ceilings aren't much higher than Reichel's. He shows great hands and offensive sense.
- HawkintheD

Stopped right there.

Can they get a D man that can and will clear their own crease? Stay at home guys aren't considered studs, but they are a necessary component. Should be able to get a guy like that in a middle round.
- 6628

IMO, Braden Schneider fits this description best. Skates well and can transition the puck but best of all he's a defensive defenseman who plays physical and hits hard.

I saw a video analysis of him where he admitted one thing he is working on is ensuring he dishes out timely hits so he doesn't hurt his team. So, he if he can do that, he would be the opposite of Dennis Gilbert.

My guess is Schneider is picked somewhere in the teens but could go in the early half before 17th.

ESPN's mock draft has the Hawks taking this guy. Have read Wiz's thoughts on others but not this player.

Lukas Reichel, LW, Eisbaren Berlin (Germany)

The Blackhawks have needs throughout their system, though they look pretty loaded on the blue line at the moment. In this range, there remains a number of quality skill players, and Reichel provides a particularly high reward. He has raw skill, and as he tacks on some muscle, he has legitimate top-six upside. There are safer picks, but based on how our board has shaken out so far, among the available prospects, ceilings aren't much higher than Reichel's. He shows great hands and offensive sense.
- HawkintheD

I actually had the same initial reaction as Wiz. Reichel sounds a lot like Nylander as far as having the raw skill but still a risk if he can't apply himself consistently at the pro level.

Reichel would be fine as a 2nd rounder, just not sure I'd take him at 17th.

I'd prefer a safer pick like Zary or Bourque who each have a 2L ceiling but a 3L floor, i.e. if they don't hit potential, they're still going to be quite valuable as a 200-foot forward with excellent compete level and 0.50 PPG production.

Here's a quick synopsis of the Athletic's rankings for individual Hawk players and a definition of that particular tier designation.

1) Dach - Elite/High-end bubble
2) DeBrincat - High end NHL player
3) Boqvist -High-end/very good bubble
4) Nylander -Very good NHL player
5) Mitchell - Very good NHL player
6) Regula - Legit NHL player
7) Barratt - Legit NHL player
8) Kalynuk - Legit NHL player
9) Teply - Legit NHL player

NHL Potential

Suter, Vlasic, Entwistle, Morrison, Gilbert, Beuadin

Tier Definitions:
Special NHL prospect: Projects as a true NHL star, someone who is among the best players in the league.

Elite NHL prospect: Projects as an impact player, someone who is top 10-15 percent in the NHL at his position.

High-end NHL prospect: Projects as a first-line forward or a top-pair defenseman.

Very good NHL prospect: Projects as a top-six forward, top-four defenseman or starting goaltender in the NHL.

Legit NHL prospect: Projects to be a full-time NHL player in the bottom half of a roster.

NHL potential: The prospect has a chance to make it as a full-time player if some improvements are made.
- HawkintheD

Hey D, thanks for sharing Pronman's Top 10. Haven't had a chance to read it yet on the Athletic so glad you shared it here.

His selections are interesting. IMO, Regula, Barratt, and Teply are too high, especially on a list that includes youngsters already on the Hawks roster. Give them another season and they could be top 10.

I'd rank them lower and Suter, Entwistle, and Beaudin higher.

Morrison, Vlasic, and Gilbert as honorable mentions over Hagel, Kurashev, and Sikura are head scratchers, too.

Very surprised that Entwistle wasn't viewed as legit NHL player, and that they didn't even mention Kurashev.
- tvetter

It's also interesting how Strome didn't make the list but Nylander did.

Regula doesn't project as a stay at home type, but apparently has decent physicality according to the Athletic. Idk if that means he's a crease clearing type but he's got some size at 6"4"/205. And we got him for Brendan Perlini.
- HawkintheD

Regula could surprise as a balanced defender. As long as he's groomed to be a 200-foot player who thinks defense first especially with his size, reach, and skating ability.

As Boqvist stated himself and like what nearly every other D prospect needs to do, Regula can realize his potential if he works on his strength so he has the fortitude to battle in the corners, behind the net, and in the slot.

Because most of the people Corey gets his "scouting information" see him as I do as a skilled player with very good offensive instincts but is.CHICKEN POOP when the push leads to shoves b/c he doesn't like the shoving...



and this idea that you can accurately predict the future of young hockey prospects "scientificallY", I started a project going back over each and every year the hockey news did their prospects issues, and because it had players that became terrific NHLer and a hall of fame in Hossa as guys not worthy of top 5 mentions on their top ten lists , instead filling the tip five with guys who never saw NHL games or enough to smell the popcorn from the concession stands....

these guys dont know, I dont know...the kids that work and hone their skills bodies and work seem to get a better chance at playing, period.
- wiz1901

For the record, I don't know either. I'm just a guy behind a keyboard. But it is fun to read everyone's opinions and formulate your own!

Even the top NHL scouts will have their share of misses. In that regard, they are like meteorologists.

It's also interesting how Strome didn't make the list but Nylander did.
- Theo Fox

Too old - 23 - I think the cut-off was 22.

Too old - 23 - I think the cut-off was 22.
- StLBravesFan

Got it. Hopefully that's what Strome's agent is telling Bowman, too.

IMO, Braden Schneider fits this description best. Skates well and can transition the puck but best of all he's a defensive defenseman who plays physical and hits hard.

I saw a video analysis of him where he admitted one thing he is working on is ensuring he dishes out timely hits so he doesn't hurt his team. So, he if he can do that, he would be the opposite of Dennis Gilbert.

My guess is Schneider is picked somewhere in the teens but could go in the early half before 17th.
- Theo Fox

Yeah, all of the folks out there think that the leafs made that trade to pick him off with the Pens pick...we will see.

I dont want to add to Schneider's resume and have him gone but he has been in international tourney was never embarrassed but this idea that he hasn't shown as an elite up ice guy knocks him down lists starts to get tedious.(in the same way I dont look at the two juniors years with high gaol total as "transferable to being pro point man." Do I mention Bromberg and Mo Seider again?

Regula could surprise as a balanced defender. As long as he's groomed to be a 200-foot player who thinks defense first especially with his size, reach, and skating ability.

As Boqvist stated himself and like what nearly every other D prospect needs to do, Regula can realize his potential if he works on his strength so he has the fortitude to battle in the corners, behind the net, and in the slot.
- Theo Fox

and Corey P is talking about the no-show of Boqvist as jump in shooter, and I really believe he was told stick to learning the other zones and then we will let you loose later...I thought later should have been his last two playoff appearances...but next year we see.