Ok just asking getting you opinion. Holloway or zary
- Scott1977

Holloway and its not even close.

Maybe Maatta & Koekkoek aren’t as bad as Elbows says they are. The numbers tell a different story. From Powers in ‘The Athletic’.

Maatta and Koekkoek were on the ice for a positive amount of shot attempts and scoring chances in that first game, and it was just that start. Over the last 25 games, the pairing had a 54.56 Corsi percentage, 58.81 expected goals percentage, 60.71 actual goals percentage, 54.68 scoring chance percentage and 56.25 high-danger percentage. In other words, they were really good in a large sample size of 298 minutes of 5-on-5 ice time.

No other Blackhawks pairing was nearly as good or played nearly as much during that 25-game stretch. In 234 minutes together, Duncan Keith and Adam Boqvist had a 43.83 expected goals percentage. In 190 minutes, Erik Gustafsson and Murphy had a 44.57 expected goals percentage. The only other pairing that played at least 50 minutes together that had a positive expected goals percentage was Maatta and Murphy.

In the playoffs, Maatta and Koekkoek weren’t as stellar, but that pairing was still arguably the Blackhawks’ best. It had an expected goals percentage of 41.90 and an actual goals percentage of 69.23 in 109:45 of ice time. The Blackhawks scored 20 goals in 5-on-5 play during the playoffs and the pairing was on the ice for nine of them.

To compare, Calvin de Haan and Murphy had an expected goals percentage of 31.51 and an actual goals percentage of 50.0 in 96:48 of ice time. In 71:04 of ice time, Keith and Boqvist had a 44.97 expected goals percentage and a 22.22 actual goals percentage. In 45:58, Keith and Murphy had an expected goals percentage of 31.5 and an actual percentage of 50.0.

Holloway and its not even close.
- Elbows15

How different are Holloway and Byfield?

If they move two of Murphy, Maatta, and de Haan, then I think that's the clear signal that they are going full bore into the youth movement. If that is the case, I think you start seeing Keith and Seabrook warming to waiving their NMC's. I think Toews and Kane are married to the Hawks till the end.
- Chunk

I take it more of a clear understanding that their D corp is too slow as a group. Each one named has value but having them all exposes all of their weaknesses.

How different are Holloway and Byfield?
- Chunk

Byfield has star ceiling. Holloway has top 6 ceiling. Holloway plays more of a power game. IMO, Byfield will be a center in the NHL. Holloway is 50/50 on being a center.

Maybe Maatta & Koekkoek aren’t as bad as Elbows says they are. The numbers tell a different story. From Powers in ‘The Athletic’.

Maatta and Koekkoek were on the ice for a positive amount of shot attempts and scoring chances in that first game, and it was just that start. Over the last 25 games, the pairing had a 54.56 Corsi percentage, 58.81 expected goals percentage, 60.71 actual goals percentage, 54.68 scoring chance percentage and 56.25 high-danger percentage. In other words, they were really good in a large sample size of 298 minutes of 5-on-5 ice time.

No other Blackhawks pairing was nearly as good or played nearly as much during that 25-game stretch. In 234 minutes together, Duncan Keith and Adam Boqvist had a 43.83 expected goals percentage. In 190 minutes, Erik Gustafsson and Murphy had a 44.57 expected goals percentage. The only other pairing that played at least 50 minutes together that had a positive expected goals percentage was Maatta and Murphy.

In the playoffs, Maatta and Koekkoek weren’t as stellar, but that pairing was still arguably the Blackhawks’ best. It had an expected goals percentage of 41.90 and an actual goals percentage of 69.23 in 109:45 of ice time. The Blackhawks scored 20 goals in 5-on-5 play during the playoffs and the pairing was on the ice for nine of them.

To compare, Calvin de Haan and Murphy had an expected goals percentage of 31.51 and an actual goals percentage of 50.0 in 96:48 of ice time. In 71:04 of ice time, Keith and Boqvist had a 44.97 expected goals percentage and a 22.22 actual goals percentage. In 45:58, Keith and Murphy had an expected goals percentage of 31.5 and an actual percentage of 50.0.
- scottak

They are.

Holloway and its not even close.
- Elbows15

Ok my pick also thanks

So now that Zito has the GM job in Florida, does he repay Stan for the Kimmo trade?

https://www.nhltraderumors.me/

reported someone Montreal and CHi are talking a Domi for SAAD trade.

SAAD has slightly better metrics and both are 50 pt guys Domi more a assist person them scorer. SAAD vice versa. max is 2 1/3 years younger 10 lbs lighter. I would only do this if strome was also moved for a winger or off course a true top 4 D.

what do you think Domi gets salary wise?

Pittsburgh making moves. You have to wonder how many player moves they make. I believe Malkin, and Crosby are both coming off of surgery as well.

The Penguins have named Todd Reirden and Mike Vellucci assistant coaches.

Reirden, 49, will oversee the team’s defensive group and power-play unit. Vellucci, 54, will work with the team’s forwards and oversee the penalty kill.

https://www.nhltraderumors.me/

reported someone Montreal and CHi are talking a Domi for SAAD trade.

SAAD has slightly better metrics and both are 50 pt guys Domi more a assist person them scorer. SAAD vice versa. max is 2 1/3 years younger 10 lbs lighter. I would only do this if strome was also moved for a winger or off course a true top 4 D.

what do you think Domi gets salary wise?
- kmw4631

I'd rather have both Saad and Domi. Find another way to acquire Domi.

To get Domi as an RFA currently earning $3.15M, salary would have to go out and a spot open for him. Domi can play center and wing. Suter can, too.

Consider trading Strome and/or Nylander. And/or this could spell the end of Caggiula.

Any trade would have to be careful so salary isn't coming back in that would hamper signing Domi to a new deal and handcuffing the ability to also re-sign Kubalik and Crawford (or another starting goalie).

https://www.nhltraderumors.me/

reported someone Montreal and CHi are talking a Domi for SAAD trade.

SAAD has slightly better metrics and both are 50 pt guys Domi more a assist person them scorer. SAAD vice versa. max is 2 1/3 years younger 10 lbs lighter. I would only do this if strome was also moved for a winger or off course a true top 4 D.

what do you think Domi gets salary wise?
- kmw4631

Domi is smaller than Saad but is tougher. The fight where Domi knocked out Kesler in one punch (uppercut to the jaw) was classic.

Guessing Domi would earn at least $4M but his camp would likely ask for $5-$5.5M.

I'd rather have both Saad and Domi. Find another way to acquire Domi.

To get Domi as an RFA currently earning $3.15M, salary would have to go out and a spot open for him. Domi can play center and wing. Suter can, too.

Consider trading Strome and/or Nylander. And/or this could spell the end of Caggiula.

Any trade would have to be careful so salary isn't coming back in that would hamper signing Domi to a new deal and handcuffing the ability to also re-sign Kubalik and Crawford (or another starting goalie).
- Theo Fox

I've been looking into Domi more and more recently. From what I've seen and read (far from an authority, but I have at least looked) Domi is much better positioned as a wing. He "can" play center, but most of his best play has come at wing.

It's kind of like when everyone said that Drouin could play center. Sure he can, but he shouldn't.

Do you think Montreal acquiring Jake Allen, is a way to send him as part of a Saad, Domi trade.

I'd rather have both Saad and Domi. Find another way to acquire Domi.

To get Domi as an RFA currently earning $3.15M, salary would have to go out and a spot open for him. Domi can play center and wing. Suter can, too.

Consider trading Strome and/or Nylander. And/or this could spell the end of Caggiula.

Any trade would have to be careful so salary isn't coming back in that would hamper signing Domi to a new deal and handcuffing the ability to also re-sign Kubalik and Crawford (or another starting goalie).
- Theo Fox

Both would be much preferred.

I've been looking into Domi more and more recently. From what I've seen and read (far from an authority, but I have at least looked) Domi is much better positioned as a wing. He "can" play center, but most of his best play has come at wing.

It's kind of like when everyone said that Drouin could play center. Sure he can, but he shouldn't.
- Chunk

Bet he would love playing wing with Kane and Dach.

then let him go somewhere else. every team knows his age and history. I'm guessing even more then the public I just don't see who gives him 2 years. if I was him I would want 5 year deal LOL.. he has not played a full season since 16-17. the hawks cant afford 2-3 guys on LTIR in shaw, Dehaan, and Craw. with Craw next year are we are ST contender? with Craw on LTIR in 2 years means we have to trade a young guy to get under the cap which is exactly what we should not be doing. Im fine bringing him back but not at the EXP of a younger player. SAAD will be a UFA, Nylander and suter will be RFA. what if all three have good years. way better to have the flexibility to let Craw walk if he is hurt or bad and keep those guys then to have all 3 do 20+ goals and can only keep 1. the dehaan, shaw maata off season last year means you cannot go that way again. learn from your mistakes. gave up 2,3, kahun forling and Forsberg for 3 guys that are untradable more then likely we cant have a 4th guy.
- kmw4631

I would not be surprised if management sees Seabrook as a LTIR guy?

Domi is smaller than Saad but is tougher. The fight where Domi knocked out Kesler in one punch (uppercut to the jaw) was classic.

Guessing Domi would earn at least $4M but his camp would likely ask for $5-$5.5M.
- Theo Fox

Saad strome 2nd for daunlt domi and 16th overall pick base of trade proposal assets might need to be added or minus. Hawks get really good center and get younger and little more edge in the lineup.

Saad strome 2nd for daunlt domi and 16th overall pick base of trade proposal assets might need to be added or minus. Hawks get really good center and get younger and little more edge in the lineup.
- Scott1977

I sign up for that all day but I doubt Montreal would do that.

SAAD really is the only fit for Domi I see. he is probably going to get a 4-5 year deal at 5 mil. you would still need to move maata and have craw back under $4mil on a 1 year deal. to be able to bring back Kubalik, strome and maybe Cagg and keoke.

There is truth to your perspective.

Another perspective to consider is the refresh of management and how they want to proceed with the franchise.

This direction may not necessarily see the timeline of reaching the holy grail again as centered solely on the ticking clocks of the core.

As for no more bridge deals for elite players, we'll see how the pandemic's impact on team and league finances plays a role in possibly recalibrating back to strategic sequencing of contracts and salaries.

If there is no recalibration, the quantum leap from ELC to huge pay day will be problematic as you pointed out.
- Theo Fox

Totally agree on both points but fans get restless. How many GM's have the Kings been through since they last made the playoffs? Regarding recalibration, that's a nice way of saying "playing chicken."

I sign up for that all day but I doubt Montreal would do that.
- bhawks2241

My reasoning is domi not coming back to to Montreal and Danult hss seemingly fallen to 3rd line center role maybe instead the 16 th pick get 2 if Montreal's 2nd rounders and change our 2nd in the trade to a 4th. 47 and 48 picks

I've been looking into Domi more and more recently. From what I've seen and read (far from an authority, but I have at least looked) Domi is much better positioned as a wing. He "can" play center, but most of his best play has come at wing.

It's kind of like when everyone said that Drouin could play center. Sure he can, but he shouldn't.
- Chunk

Problem is he wants to play center. Why are we trading Saad for guy who was demoted to the 4th line in Montreal? I watched a lot of that series and it was performance based. Domi was passed by KK, Suzuki and Danault. I am not trading Saad for him.

Do you think Montreal acquiring Jake Allen, is a way to send him as part of a Saad, Domi trade.
- LAHawk

Hopefully not. The Hawks can't afford 4.3M for a back-up and please tell me you aren't thinking of him being the starter? I rather go with 2 of Subban, Delia, Lanky or Tompkins than Allen.

Domi also kinda sucks defensively. So he fits I guess. Montreal has plenty of cap space.

Saad for 16 and Poehling.