I dislike the marner deal.
9.5 -.7 was what I was hoping he'd max out at.
- Fakepartofme

Yeah, $9.5M should've been the absolute limit to his deal. And even then it's high in relation to his comparables.

I will cut off my left but if Dubas doesn't ass a significant RH D.
- RogerRoeper

You got booty on the mind?

That’s what my wife has been saying too.....

We have 3 kids
- bryant

4 will be crazy, get YOUR D fixed pronto.

Yeah, $9.5M should've been the absolute limit to his deal. And even then it's high in relation to his comparables.
- GreatGigInTheSky

His comparable that season was Matthews.

They gave him 11,6M.

Marner just had a 90 points season, more points than Matthews.

He wasn't gonna accept 9.5 .

The timing of the whole ordeal was pretty horrible for the Leafs.

You got booty on the mind?
- GreatGigInTheSky

getting worse and worse...

both johnsson and kerfoot had a decline in ppg last year. not off to a great start there.

muzzin's deal is market.

kapanen had a good contract.
- Tumbleweed

Points only matter when we aren't talking about Willy

Points only matter when we aren't talking about Willy
- Santo_44

His comparable that season was Matthews.

They gave him 11,6M.

Marner just had a 90 points season, more points than Matthews.

He wasn't gonna accept 9.5 .

The timing of the whole ordeal was pretty horrible for the Leafs.
- Scabeh

Except there is a premium paid to centers and there is also a premium paid to goal scorers.

Rantanen was the closest comparable - and his contract is what most here think Marner should have been at.

But ya - the timing and situation was atrocious for the Leafs. Dubas didn't want another Nylander holdout.

His comparable that season was Matthews.

They gave him 11,6M.

Marner just had a 90 points season, more points than Matthews.

He wasn't gonna accept 9.5 .

The timing of the whole ordeal was pretty horrible for the Leafs.
- Scabeh

He really isn't, at all, though. Matthews >> Marner, centres > wingers, and goal scorers > not goal scorers.

Matthews, if he was healthy in seasons 2 and 3, would be averaging 40 goals a season. Marner's boost in points came with Snakevares.

Marner's comparables, Rantanen and Aho, got what they should've. Marner is the exception.

Completely agree that the timing was awful, though.

getting worse and worse...
- 21peter

Pretty impressive, really. That's not an easy thing to do.

He really isn't, at all, though. Matthews >> Marner, centres > wingers, and goal scorers > not goal scorers.

Matthews, if he was healthy in seasons 2 and 3, would be averaging 40 goals a season. Marner's boost in points came with Snakevares.

Marner's comparables, Rantanen and Aho, got what they should've. Marner is the exception.

Completely agree that the timing was awful, though.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Ferris and Marner drove an unfair bargain.

Dubas chose to go 6 years though and he didnt have to...We'll see if that was the right move.

Except there is a premium paid to centers and there is also a premium paid to goal scorers.

Rantanen was the closest comparable - and his contract is what most here think Marner should have been at.

But ya - the timing and situation was atrocious for the Leafs. Dubas didn't want another Nylander holdout.
- Leafs43

Bastard. Said it all before me.

I'll just add that Marner's agent played dirty pool the entire negotiation. Going through the media the entire way. Much worse than the Nylander situation.

Marner was over paid by 3 mill JMO... By 6 mill in the playoffs, but I understand they don't get paid for playoffs. I think he owes the Leafs money back.
- bixll

90pt players
9plus million

Ferris and Marner drove an unfair bargain.

Dubas chose to go 6 years though and he didnt have to...We'll see if that was the right move.
- Santo_44

(frank)ing two in a row beating me to the punch.

Yup.

90pt players
9plus million
- Fakepartofme

Play like it in the playoffs.

Play like it in the playoffs.
- bixll

i get it.
But outside of AM and kerfoot, no one on the team had a good playoffs.

- 21peter

Do men worry what their hair even looks like in the playoffs..

i get it.
But outside of AM and kerfoot, no one on the team had a good playoffs.
- Fakepartofme

Agreed, but when you hamstring a team with your salary demands, you have to live up to it... He hurt the team.

I don't think Dubas goes into next season with either the same.

goaltending get stalked about a lot because its a very easy move to make this offseason. Half the league is available and Freddy's 1M contract brings back more value to the leafs than he is worth to them.

It is an easy move where the Leafs end up with more value. I keep talking about Trochek because I think there is something there.

The D is harder. Parayko. EDM's top 4 D...After that there are some risks...Lots of demand and not much supply.
- Santo_44

It makes no sense to move Freddie just cause. He didn’t lose us that series. He didn’t win us any games and he was slightly, only slightly outplayed. I doubt he’s being shopped but I do believe the way bit was put, that Dubas is listening.

If he thinks he can shed some money and bring in somebody better, then go for it, otherwise fix the real problems.

Agreed, but when you hamstring a team with your salary demands, you have to live up to it... He hurt the team.
- bixll

hes also young.
Just came off a season with his first big contract
Was off all year.
He didn't lose any games for leafs.
Lets see what next year brings

Bastard. Said it all before me.

I'll just add that Marner's agent played dirty pool the entire negotiation. Going through the media the entire way. Much worse than the Nylander situation.
- GreatGigInTheSky

I hate it when they hire mean agents.

Bastard. Said it all before me.

I'll just add that Marner's agent played dirty pool the entire negotiation. Going through the media the entire way. Much worse than the Nylander situation.
- GreatGigInTheSky

except marner didnt sit out.
So not worse than the Nylander situation

I hate it when they hire mean agents.
- Canada Cup

Backstrom has a pretty good agent, Leafers should look into him.

I hate it when they hire mean agents.
- Canada Cup

It's bad business. Keep doing it (he's done it more than once) and eventually teams are gonna completely avoid it all together.

It makes no sense to move Freddie just cause. He didn’t lose us that series. He didn’t win us any games and he was slightly, only slightly outplayed. I doubt he’s being shopped but I do believe the way bit was put, that Dubas is listening.

If he thinks he can shed some money and bring in somebody better, then go for it, otherwise fix the real problems.
- Canada Cup

Reports are management is indeed frustrated at Andersen for constantly contributing to losses in important games.

They won't make a move for the sake of it.

But Freddy's contract is worth gold right now. both sides are ready to move on according to reports so the smart move would be to get a new goalie and deal Andersens valuable contract.

Chances are they have to find a new goalie next season anyways...Might as well find one now when there area a million available and you have the luxury of having his 1m deal being much more valuable to other teams than your own.