My point is ...... a consistent producer at the nhl level ...... is more valuable than a massive unknown 8th overall pick

Monahan Is a guaranteed good nhl ......

Sabres track record with 1st round picks aren’t the greatest Either

Cozens - waiting on
Mitts - development has been terrible
Nylander - trash
Sam Reinhart - could’ve had draistal
Zadorov / Grigorenko / girgensons
Risto who everyone hates



So again. “A player that can help us” .... we tried that before. It hasn’t worked

Monahan is a guaranteed 60 point guy and you don’t even have to gamble on what he can do
- Sabretooth9

Still wouldn't give up the 8th+ its not worth it and I honestly think hes O Game will decrease without Johnny...

Like i said Sam for Sean..sure

Then explore that first, I’m in agreement there.
- sbroads24

And this is the year to do it, players will be available, it's just do we have what it takes to get them.

We have zero Elite players just an average team getting pick 10 thats great .
- GERBE!!!75PTS

HUH??? Jack is just some guy now??? WTF are you smoking.

The chances an 8th overall pick makes a positive contribution to an NHL roster in years 1-2 is like 10%.

What I think is funny is how no one wants to pigeon hole Cozens into the 2C spot, despite him being in DY+2, and having an excellent year, yet we’re super optimistic an 8th overall pick is going to make some meaningful contribution?
- sbroads24

I already said that and everyone keeps saying he's not ready.

HUH??? Jack is just some guy now??? WTF are you smoking.
- gordong

We're talking about if we kept miller and ott the tank would have never happen

The chances an 8th overall pick makes a positive contribution to an NHL roster in years 1-2 is like 10%.

What I think is funny is how no one wants to pigeon hole Cozens into the 2C spot, despite him being in DY+2, and having an excellent year, yet we’re super optimistic an 8th overall pick is going to make some meaningful contribution?
- sbroads24

I think those that want to keep the 8th overall are good with that pick returning to their overseas team or their junior team for next season.

They would rather look to every other alternative route to add the Center depth they need while keeping the 8th overall due to the long term value that player can add to the team.

The chances an 8th overall pick makes a positive contribution to an NHL roster in years 1-2 is like 10%.

What I think is funny is how no one wants to pigeon hole Cozens into the 2C spot, despite him being in DY+1, and having an excellent year, yet we’re super optimistic an 8th overall pick is going to make some meaningful contribution?
- sbroads24

Who said that? If some people want to trade the pick, that's fine. They don't need to misrepresent the development cycle to make that case.

I think those that want to keep the 8th overall are good with that pick returning to their overseas team or their junior team for next season.

They would rather look to every other alternative route to add the Center depth they need while keeping the 8th overall due to the long term value that player can add to the team.
- kingcong39

This goes without saying though. If I could add a 2C from the waiver wire and not trade a single asset, I’d do that before moving a 7th rounder for one.

I think it’s naive to think Ristolainen or Montour + the token 2nd rounder gets you there. At least not close to Monahan or Domi IMO (who I’m not a fan of in general)

I also don’t need it to be a center.

This goes without saying though. If I could add a 2C from the waiver wire and not trade a single asset, I’d do that before moving a 7th rounder for one.

I think it’s naive to think Ristolainen or Montour + the token 2nd rounder gets you there. At least not close to Monahan or Domi IMO (who I’m not a fan of in general)

I also don’t need it to be a center.
- sbroads24

I don't think they are getting a 2C.

The best outcome will be a pair of Centers that can handle duties as the anchors for the middle 6.

This goes without saying though. If I could add a 2C from the waiver wire and not trade a single asset, I’d do that before moving a 7th rounder for one.

I think it’s naive to think Ristolainen or Montour + the token 2nd rounder gets you there. At least not close to Monahan or Domi IMO (who I’m not a fan of in general)

I also don’t need it to be a center.
- sbroads24

Then move the 2021 first rounder top 3 protected then if need be.

This should hopefully be the last time we pick in the top 10 for quite some time, and there are 8 players worthy of a top 5 selection and one of them will be there at 8.

I make the pick imo.

I don't think they are getting a 2C.

The best outcome will be a pair of Centers that can handle duties as the anchors for the middle 6.
- kingcong39

They wouldn’t trade the pick in that scenario so it’s moot.

The Sabres need good NHL forwards. If the route they choose is moving that pick to get an established top 6 player im good with that this offseason as they absolutely cannot be a bottom feeder again, otherwise you can kiss Eichel goodbye

Then move the 2021 first rounder top 3 protected then if need be.

This should hopefully be the last time we pick in the top 10 for quite some time, and there are 8 players worthy of a top 5 selection and one of them will be there at 8.

I make the pick imo.
- Pegullaville

Again, I think we’re all on the same page of where the list of assets rank on who/what we’d rather trade first before 8th overall. Unfortunately that’s up to the team trading us this hypothetical player

The 8th should be in play as long as it is for a player that is 25 or 26 and younger. Keeping the pick is what you want, but if you can get a good player that is helps know and in his prime is to prong with keeping your Captain happy and helping the team for atleast 5yrs.

Again, I think we’re all on the same page of where the list of assets rank on who/what we’d rather trade first before 8th overall. Unfortunately that’s up to the team trading us this hypothetical player
- sbroads24

I think you’re overestimating the asking price of said player compared to recent trades for 2C’s.

Also considering that it’s a sellers market this offseason with the amount of teams near the upper cap limit with the flat cap.

This should hopefully be the last time we pick in the top 10 for quite some time,

.
- Pegullaville

sadly this has been said several times during the last 5 years

I think you’re overestimating the asking price of said player compared to recent trades for 2C’s.

Also considering that it’s a sellers market this offseason with the amount of teams near the upper cap limit with the flat cap.
- Pegullaville

I hope so, but I'm not sure.

I can't see Monahan being moved for spare parts.

I also think the ROR deal put trades like that under a microscope.

Domi maybe possible, but I am not thrilled with that move tbh

I think you’re overestimating the asking price of said player compared to recent trades for 2C’s.

Also considering that it’s a sellers market this offseason with the amount of teams near the upper cap limit with the flat cap.
- Pegullaville

I hope so, but I'm not sure.

I can't see Monahan being moved for spare parts.

I also think the ROR deal put trades like that under a microscope.

Domi maybe possible, but I am not thrilled with that move tbh

I think you’re overestimating the asking price of said player compared to recent trades for 2C’s.

Also considering that it’s a sellers market this offseason with the amount of teams near the upper cap limit with the flat cap.
- Pegullaville

I hope so, but I'm not sure.

I can't see Monahan being moved for spare parts.

I also think the ROR deal put trades like that under a microscope.

Domi maybe possible, but I am not thrilled with that move tbh

I think you’re overestimating the asking price of said player compared to recent trades for 2C’s.

Also considering that it’s a sellers market this offseason with the amount of teams near the upper cap limit with the flat cap.
- Pegullaville

Wouldn't that be a buyers market? Where teams buying players who have cap are in a better position to acquire cheap talent due to the lack of demand.

I was agreeing until I read that part. Figured I'd ask.

It seems to me the Sabres are actually in a decent position having the 2nd most cap space in the league.

Beane also cleared out players who didn't want to be here, and didn't buy into their vision and process and some were good players but didn't have the attitude. It is not always about talent but talent and mindset. The Sabres need to look at that. They also have to build a team that works with the coach, the PROCESS.
- GilPerreault11

We're getting closer.

Wouldn't that be a buyers market? Where teams buying players who have cap are in a better position to acquire cheap talent due to the lack of demand.

I was agreeing until I read that part. Figured I'd ask.

It seems to me the Sabres are actually in a decent position having the 2nd most cap space in the league.
- RhinoFan

Yea I had it backwards. Definitely a buyers market my apologies there

I hope so, but I'm not sure.

I can't see Monahan being moved for spare parts.

I also think the ROR deal put trades like that under a microscope.

Domi maybe possible, but I am not thrilled with that move tbh
- sbroads24

I wouldn’t target Monahan personally.

Who said that? If some people want to trade the pick, that's fine. They don't need to misrepresent the development cycle to make that case.
- Lunaion

Let's look at the data:


Based on the past 11 years of 8th OA picks (08-18), the soonest youre likely to see a player and have him be good is D+1


2008 - Boedker - played immediately. Hes... fine?

2009 - Scott Glennie, D +2, not good

2010 - Burmistrov - played immediately. Largely burned out; 298 career gp, out of league, not good

2011 - Couturier- played immediately, good

2012 - Derrick Pouliot - D+2, not good

2013 - Risto played immediately, not good right away

2014 - W Nylander - D +1, good

2015 - z werenski, D+ 1, good

2016 - Nylander - bum

2017 - Casey Mittelstadt, D+1 not good

2018 - Boquist, D +1


So that's four bums, 3 d+1 who were good, 2 meh or not sure yet

The only one who was good right away was Couts

40% chance of a bum, 30% chance of D+1 and good, 20% not sure/Inc/meh and 10% of good right away


Id take monahan over 40% chance of bum and 60% chance of bum or meh

#8 and Ry Johnson for Monahan. Get it done! Tired of waiting. If he scores 30 and gets 60 pts. while winning better than 50 % of faceoffs, I'm in.....

https://www.hockey-refere.../players/m/monahse01.html

Yea I had it backwards. Definitely a buyers market my apologies there
- Pegullaville

All good, figured. It was a good point.