Why are trying to do a quick fix ? We have wasted countless draft picks and look what it's done to us and now everyone wants the continue doing that..

We need to start building a contender Not a team that's just good enough
- GERBE!!!75PTS

they need to find a player that can have an impact at 2c...the questions are:

what's the talent-level of said player and what is their upside (if any,) what's the cost, plus, and maybe most importantly if we're doing a cirelli/monahan comparison side by side, what are the long-term implications?

--in three years cirelli is still an rfa whereas monahan will be ufa

the 8oa for at least three years is much more appealing if said player is still under team control at the end of that

“Buffalo may have struck gold with the Cozens pick.

Point and Cozens have had a really similar development path. Cozens is slightly ahead of where Point was at this time in his development. Cozens finds himself in really good, rare company.

https://twitter.com/byron.../1303717667375730689?s=21

Different organizations have different timelines and goals. Ottawa can wait a year or two for their picks to make an impact. The Sabres need to do something now. Im not saying trading 8 is the only way out, but im doing it 100 times out of 100 for the right player.

If they can go get Domi and Strome or whatever for Montour, Mittlestadt a 2nd, sweet. But I wouldn't hesitate to trade 8 either
- jcragcrumple

Where they are on their timeline is an interesting discussion. To me, getting Monahan + extending our RFA's is the low risk play that probably makes the playoffs, but never contends.

What's another 3 years? Provided the savior at #8 doesn't turn into another Casey.
- Powerslave

Nobody wants to trade the 8th, but if a player is available that could help us know and is young enough to help for 5 6 7 yrs down the road then the pick should be in the conversation. I mean if you're worried about what will happen 3 yrs from know, then you’re cutting yourself short of what could happen this year or next. It's not like we don't have a draft next year or the year after.

Its no secret he will leave if no progress But you have to be smart you cant just rush something and then will be back at the bottom
- GERBE!!!75PTS

I've got news for you: we're in the 6th circle of hell, staring at 7. If they stand pat this off season, we're going to enter the hell dimension from Event Horizon

Nobody wants to trade the 8th, but if a player is available that could help us know and is young enough to help for 5 6 7 yrs down the road then the pick should be in the conversation. I mean if you're worried about what will happen 3 yrs from know, then you’re cutting yourself short of what could happen this year or next. It's not like we don't have a draft next year or the year after.
- Buff36

Agree.

You don't hit to injure people, atleast most players don't, being physical and taking hits is a part of hockey, it is a part of wearing down players and hoping it does enough for them to make a mistake, especially a Dman cause that can cause more offensive opportunities.
- Buff36

Wearing down players is what happens from body soreness from being hit, and if you are attempting to wear down players with hits, then yes, you are intent on injuring someone enough that their level of play drops.

We are not going to agree on this, but you are hitting players with the best case scenario being the hits hurt and they become hesitant as a result. Key word being hurt.

Where they are on their timeline is an interesting discussion. To me, getting Monahan + extending our RFA's is the low risk play that probably makes the playoffs, but never contends.
- Lunaion

Totally agree on the above, as the core needs a change, along with the obvious thinning of the defense, and not just the seemingly obvious trading of Miller and McCabe.

Wearing down players is what happens from body soreness from being hit, and if you are attempting to wear down players with hits, then yes, you are intent on injuring someone enough that their level of play drops.

We are not going to agree on this, but you are hitting players with the best case scenario being the hits hurt and they become hesitant as a result. Key word being hurt.
- kingcong39

Yeah, we definitely have a different take on this. But that's cool.

I've got news for you: we're in the 6th circle of hell, staring at 7. If they stand pat this off season, we're going to enter the hell dimension from Event Horizon
- jcragcrumple

There is an absolute chasm between not wanting to trade the 8th overall unless it is a no brainer move like Larkin or Barkov and being fully on board with trading for 2 Centers and not standing pat, including changing up the core of the team.

I don't why you correlate not wanting to trade the 8th with not wanting to make any moves. That doesn't make any sense.

Yeah, we definitely have a different take on this. But that's cool.
- Buff36

We do.

I am sick of seeing very talented players that are highly entertaining get taken out of regular season or playoff games by some low end talented forward who's claim to fame is being big and physical.

I don't want to watch WWE on skates or football on skates.

I want to see guys flying up and down the ice without being impeded constantly by schemes, cautious coaches, and hits after the puck is gone to long gone.

Totally agree on the above, as the core needs a change, along with the obvious thinning of the defense, and not just the seemingly obvious trading of Miller and McCabe.
- kingcong39

I think we're in the same boat here. I don't like this core. Monahan is doubling down and putting a 3 year clock on it.

I've got news for you: we're in the 6th circle of hell, staring at 7. If they stand pat this off season, we're going to enter the hell dimension from Event Horizon
- jcragcrumple

So we trade more future parts and are stick with Sean Monahan as the number 1 center when Jack leaves

That's not smart

I think we're in the same boat here. I don't like this core. Monahan is doubling down and putting a 3 year clock on it.
- Lunaion

It's why when I have advocated for trading for Monahan, it was Reinhart as the key piece going the other way, as both teams need to shake up their respective cores.

There is an absolute chasm between not wanting to trade the 8th overall unless it is a no brainer move like Larkin or Barkov and being fully on board with trading for 2 Centers and not standing pat, including changing up the core of the team.

I don't why you correlate not wanting to trade the 8th with not wanting to make any moves. That doesn't make any sense.
- kingcong39

Oh I absolutely do. I said so in the previous post. This is a response to Gerbe saying how bad it would be to trade 8.

We're already in hell and we're facing the prospect of the captain asking out if it continues to get hotter. 8 should be on the table

We do.

I am sick of seeing very talented players that are highly entertaining get taken out of regular season or playoff games by some low end talented forward who's claim to fame is being big and physical.

I don't want to watch WWE on skates or football on skates.

I want to see guys flying up and down the ice without being impeded constantly by schemes, cautious coaches, and hits after the puck is gone to long gone.
- kingcong39

I like watching North South hockey too, but hitting and physical play will always be a part of it. It's on the players and the NHL to make dirty hit's a minimum and not part of the game. Punishment is not harsh enough.

It's why when I have advocated for trading for Monahan, it was Reinhart as the key piece going the other way, as both teams need to shake up their respective cores.
- kingcong39

That makes less sense to me

It’s a lateral move. We need to add good players not swap ones we already have

That makes less sense to me

It’s a lateral move. We need to add good players not swap ones we already have
- sbroads24

Sounds like you're happy with this core then. If you aren't, hockey trades are how you change things, without rebuilding.

Sounds like you're happy with this core then. If you aren't, hockey trades are how you change things, without rebuilding.
- Lunaion

I’m not happy with this core. Mainly because it’s missing players from it.

Make that trade and that’s still the case

I’m not happy with this core. Mainly because it’s missing players from it.

Make that trade and that’s still the case
- sbroads24

It's going to take some creative and savvy moves to get turn this roster into a playoff caliber one. They're going to have to find some undervalued players to play above their level at a low cost somewhere, not for financial reasons, but for the fact that there aren't enough players on the current roster that can bring back significant established value. If Monahan for Reinhart is the only deal they make, you're right, this team isn't going to improve enough, if at all. There needs to be more.

I’m not happy with this core. Mainly because it’s missing players from it.

Make that trade and that’s still the case
- sbroads24

i do see it a little bit of a positive because you have bolstered your center depth. always easier to get wings than centers

Sounds like you're happy with this core then. If you aren't, hockey trades are how you change things, without rebuilding.
- Lunaion

This which I have said numerous times and agree with you wholeheartedly.

It's going to take some creative and savvy moves to get turn this roster into a playoff caliber one. They're going to have to find some undervalued players at a low cost somewhere. If Monahan for Reinhart is the only deal they make, you're right, this team isn't going to improve enough, if at all. There needs to be more.
- buffalofan19

as it sits than have like 4 or 5 big holes.. 2 and 3 C, top 6 RW, top 4 RD and goalie.. trading reinhart for monahan just shifts the needs around... but C is harder to get so maybe if its part of many other moves it works.

It's going to take some creative and savvy moves to get turn this roster into a playoff caliber one. They're going to have to find some undervalued players to play above their level at a low cost somewhere, not for financial reasons, but for the fact that there aren't enough players on the current roster that can bring back significant established value. If Monahan for Reinhart is the only deal they make, you're right, this team isn't going to improve enough, if at all. There needs to be more.
- buffalofan19

I honestly don’t think they are that far off.

Add one legitimate top 6 and top 9 forward, one center one wing. Add a 5/6 LD and a goalie.

For the Sabres, adding that in one offseason seems impossible though

i do see it a little bit of a positive because you have bolstered your center depth. always easier to get wings than centers
- SabresFaninIndiana

Idk, St Louis had to give us two centers and they only got 1 back