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buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Sep 9 @ 2:51 PM ET
And with him using the sabers last time that might have a bad taste in the organization's mouth
- GERBE!!!75PTS


Not saying either the Sabres or Stamkos are a match for each other, but if that ends the only reason it didn't happen, the Sabres should just leave town. Any glimmer of hope would fade with that attitude.
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Sep 9 @ 2:51 PM ET
If you don't draft well, you don't win.

Paying peak value for 3 years of a player isn't without it's risks and causes immediate cap issues.

- Lunaion


Couldn’t say it any better myself
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Sep 9 @ 2:52 PM ET
It's not that simple though. If you make the 8 pick, instead of this trade, you have 6m+ of cap space to utilize. You aren't really banking on 8.
- Lunaion


Yes sir !
TheHank
Location: Yawn.
Joined: 01.11.2017

Sep 9 @ 2:56 PM ET
Good thing botts emptied out the recycling bin with bad contracts.

It’s a higher risk to bank on an nhl 8th overall pick to pan it. It’s not the nfl or nba where is almost a guarantee the player at 8 would be good

- Sabretooth9

jeff skinners untradeable albatross boat anchor contract strongly begs to differ.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Sep 9 @ 2:56 PM ET
It's not that simple though. If you make the 8 pick, instead of this trade, you have 6m+ of cap space to utilize. You aren't really banking on 8.
- Lunaion

Cap space is something that bad teams talk about way more than good ones.

We have Eichel locked up, Dahlin under team control, Cozens looks really nice, as does Jokiharju

Go get some immediate help. It’s time
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Sep 9 @ 3:02 PM ET
Cap space is something that bad teams talk about way more than good ones.

We have Eichel locked up, Dahlin under team control, Cozens looks really nice, as does Jokiharju

Go get some immediate help. It’s time

- sbroads24


Really? Good teams obsess over it...

GERBE!!!75PTS
San Jose Sharks
Location: Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser." - Jack Eichel-, CA
Joined: 02.11.2009

Sep 9 @ 3:07 PM ET
Why is everyone assuming it's a one for one deal?
- Powerslave


Just don't want the 8th involved
Powerslave
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Joined: 02.10.2011

Sep 9 @ 3:09 PM ET
Just don't want the 8th involved
- GERBE!!!75PTS



I don't think anyone WANTS the 8th involved.

We'll see what happens.
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Sep 9 @ 3:10 PM ET
Really? Good teams obsess over it...
- Lunaion


Cap space is an asset, however it takes capable management to make the best use of it.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Sep 9 @ 3:14 PM ET
Really? Good teams obsess over it...
- Lunaion

They do? They simply make a move and the problem goes away.

How many years in a row are we going to talk about Tampa trading a star player because of the cap, and they just end up trading their 6/7th best player and off they go.

Chicago maneuvers the cap all the time

Toronto has yet to have to trade away one of their stars.

The salary cap should never prevent you from adding good players when you barely have any
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Sep 9 @ 3:15 PM ET
Cap space is an asset, however it takes capable management to make the best use of it.
- Pegullaville


JB took on a lot of bad cap, and got very little for doing it. Stings now, for sure.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Sep 9 @ 3:19 PM ET
JB took on a lot of bad cap, and got very little for doing it. Stings now, for sure.
- Lunaion


Other than Skinner, which you can debate, what bad cap did he acquire that hinders them from improving next season?
RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

Sep 9 @ 3:22 PM ET
Other than Skinner, which you can debate, what bad cap did he acquire that hinders them from improving next season?
- buffalofan19


Miller and Hutton can be added. Going over the cap with the acquisitions of Simmonds and Frolik didn't help either.
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Sep 9 @ 3:23 PM ET
They do? They simply make a move and the problem goes away.

How many years in a row are we going to talk about Tampa trading a star player because of the cap, and they just end up trading their 6/7th best player and off they go.

Chicago maneuvers the cap all the time

Toronto has yet to have to trade away one of their stars.

The salary cap should never prevent you from adding good players when you barely have any

- sbroads24


I don’t believe there is much of a gap that separates the “net impact” between a player like Monahan then a player like Bonino/Henrique/Strome that motivates me to move the 8th OA pick.

Unless Mangiapane and Valimaki are accompanying it (which I highly doubt).

Monahan has proven he can score, but has also proven he’s one of the worst defensive players in the entire league.

Also doesn’t help that I have been as noticeable as Monahan and Gaudreau in their last 8 playoff games and I’m watching their games from my couch. Not a good look.

buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Sep 9 @ 3:27 PM ET
Miller and Hutton can be added. Going over the cap with the acquisitions of Simmonds and Frolik didn't help either.
- RhinoFan


Miller can be moved for a low-round draft pick at worst. He's not completely useless.

When I think of "bad cap", I think of players that underperform and can't be moved. Okposo is a good example. Usually a player with one or two years left on a deal can be moved, if even for pennies on the dollar.
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Sep 9 @ 3:27 PM ET
Other than Skinner, which you can debate, what bad cap did he acquire that hinders them from improving next season?
- buffalofan19


We took 5.25m from the Pens and gave them a pick, to rent Sheary for less than 2 forgettable seasons.

Did taking all the cap in the RoR deal help the return? Ouch!

Lot of bad money there, with little to show for it.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Sep 9 @ 3:31 PM ET
We took 5.25m from the Pens and gave them a pick, to rent Sheary for less than 2 forgettable seasons.

Did taking all the cap in the RoR deal help the return? Ouch!

Lot of bad money there, with little to show for it.

- Lunaion


But all of those guys are off the cap now except Thompson whose next deal shouldn't hurt the cap at all.

Those trades aren't bad cap management. They're bad personnel evaluation, which is a different story altogether.

If Adams can't improve the team, being handcuffed by the cap won't be the reason, at all.
RhinoFan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Visionville
Joined: 10.12.2015

Sep 9 @ 3:33 PM ET
Miller can be moved for a low-round draft pick at worst. He's not completely useless.

When I think of "bad cap", I think of players that underperform and can't be moved. Okposo is a good example. Usually a player with one or two years left on a deal can be moved, if even for pennies on the dollar.

- buffalofan19


I get it. They're lesser cap hits too, so the impact is less. Just thought they counted as bad acquisitions that pull dollars out of pockets. Hutton, McCabe and even MoJo at their cap hits may be immovable. Skinner, we shall see. I still have hope he'll bounce back.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Sep 9 @ 3:36 PM ET
I get it. They're lesser cap hits too, so the impact is less. Just thought they counted as bad acquisitions that pull dollars out of pockets. Hutton, McCabe and even MoJo at their cap hits may be immovable. Skinner, we shall see. I still have hope he'll bounce back.
- RhinoFan


Agreed, though I think Johansson is in the same boat as Miller and I don't think he's a bad player, even at that salary. Put him in the right position, and he'll get better numbers. Again, all of these moves aren't really poor cap management. They're poor player evaluation.


Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Sep 9 @ 3:37 PM ET
But all of those guys are off the cap now except Thompson whose next deal shouldn't hurt the cap at all.

Those trades aren't bad cap management. They're bad personnel evaluation, which is a different story altogether.

If Adams can't improve the team, being handcuffed by the cap won't be the reason, at all.

- buffalofan19


I agree with this completely. Say what you want about Botts but Adams has the flexibility to do whatever he wants here for the most part.

Basically starting an expansion team with Eichel, Dahlin, Joker, Cozens, Skinner, Okposo, and Risto.

He has full autonomy on all RFA’s, UFA’s and the assets to trade.
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Sep 9 @ 3:40 PM ET
But all of those guys are off the cap now except Thompson whose next deal shouldn't hurt the cap at all.

Those trades aren't bad cap management. They're bad personnel evaluation, which is a different story altogether.

If Adams can't improve the team, being handcuffed by the cap won't be the reason, at all.

- buffalofan19


We leveraged our cap space poorly. I consider it bad cap management. We also have a cap overrage and a draft pick shortage over the next 3 years. The cap is fairly tight as well. It's not a pretty situation
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Sep 9 @ 3:41 PM ET
I agree with this completely. Say what you want about Botts but Adams has the flexibility to do whatever he wants here for the most part.

Basically starting an expansion team with Eichel, Dahlin, Joker, Cozens, Skinner, Okposo, and Risto.

He has full autonomy on all RFA’s, UFA’s and the assets to trade.

- Pegullaville


I can only hope that the crickets we are hearing out of the Sabres front office are due to a very long evaluation of analytics league wide, or due to a potential trade with a team that is still in the playoffs.
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Sep 9 @ 3:42 PM ET
I agree with this completely. Say what you want about Botts but Adams has the flexibility to do whatever he wants here for the most part.

Basically starting an expansion team with Eichel, Dahlin, Joker, Cozens, Skinner, Okposo, and Risto.

He has full autonomy on all RFA’s, UFA’s and the assets to trade.

- Pegullaville


You really believe that?
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Sep 9 @ 3:44 PM ET
We leveraged our cap space poorly. I consider it bad cap management. We also have a cap overrage and a draft pick shortage over the next 3 years. The cap is fairly tight as well. It's not a pretty situation
- Lunaion


I just don't see it that way. Most of the deadweight is already off the cap. The rest is moveable save Okposo and Skinner, who still can add value to this roster in the right position. This roster was always going to need to upgraded via trade. The FA pool isn't good enough to get this team over the hump, even if it had a roster of all rookie contracts. They have more than enough flexibility to make those trades. The question is competence, not dollars.
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Sep 9 @ 3:44 PM ET
Agreed, though I think Johansson is in the same boat as Miller and I don't think he's a bad player, even at that salary. Put him in the right position, and he'll get better numbers. Again, all of these moves aren't really poor cap management. They're poor player evaluation.
- buffalofan19


I honestly thought Mojo was one of the smarter FA signings of that offseason, we just miscast him as a Center.

$4M might seem like a lot for middle 6 winger but looks a lot better then having Zuccarello or Nyqvist here for another 4 + years.
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