So your saying over spending didn't get result, so maybe try a different approach? I'm not defending them, get the results before that. But you don't change the results just by repeating the same mistakes.

On top of that, what you said does not change at all that it's still a business. Player payroll is a large portion of that business expense. Being lean can also mean being smarter. Maybe paying Sam is a good idea, maybe it's not. Either way, looking at it isn't a bad thing.
- SDSabre

you get the best gm available every time

you get the best coach available every time


ralph was not the best coach out there

adams clearly was not the best gm out there, hell they never looked at anyone else


I am amazed how many people are still defending the owners that wrecked the sabres in 8 short years

So what center we talking about today
- GERBE!!!75PTS

casey

Everyone complaining as usual
- GERBE!!!75PTS

9 years w/o sniffing the playoffs will do that to a fan base

Of course it doesn't require that experience. I'm just having some fun with someone who thinks it's essential.
- Lunaion

Never said it’s an “essential” position. Many teams don’t have a PHO, some roll it in with the GM. But when your background is oil and gas, fandom, and your wife has a marketing degree with no experience running a professional sports franchise. Maybe, just maybe, hiring an experienced, well regarded, President of hockey operations to over see said club would have been a wise and prudent business decision. And don’t give me “but he brought in Patty La”. Patty was not experienced in that position. Wasn’t successful in that position. Patty scratched Terry “the fan boys” itch. And it didn’t last a month.

If Terry hired a successful, experienced, well regarded hockey person to over see his hockey team we are looking at a different team with probably a lot fewer miss steps. And of course Terry could sit in on meeting and discussions and woo players. But you let your hockey people do what they know best.

He’s never done that. One inexperienced gm hire after another. To the point that we have a gm with zero front office experience and can’t melt ice correctly. The stink and stigma of this team is so bad after 9 years of Terry and Kim’s vaunted management that you can’t get well regarded coaches to even consider the opening. When you do get a local guy that could help your franchise brush off the stink, that’s just coming from successfully implementing an analytics model in a small market, you blow it because your statement to him is “what can you teach us that we as owners don’t already know”.

Hey, ain’t nothing we can do about it now. Is all up to a guy with zero front office experience that’s been part of a losing team for a decade and a motivational soccer czar. Maybe they can succeed in spite of the great and powerful puppet master with all the titles. But their track record says otherwise.

pretty sure vet GM's and head coaches cost more then rookie gm's and outcasts like Ralph
- navinrjohnson

But most of those guys (Housley, Botts) were at the top of the list of candidates. If we hadn't hired them, some other team with those opportunities may have.

They tried like hell to bring Babcock in, but at the end of the day they still hired a Stanley Cup winning coach in Bylsma.

Those have nothing to do with "being cheap", as you're accusing them of being.

Well atleast it sounds like we aren't in on Murray anymore.

But most of those guys (Housley, Botts) were at the top of the list of candidates.
- Powerslave

that's 2

disco sucks
ted nolan
rolston
ralph
adams


none of them were on anyone's list

Well atleast it sounds like we aren't in on Murray anymore.
- Buff36

he costs too much

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Friedman on @TheInstigators podcast reports the #Flames are looking for D options and they've looked at Oliver Ekman-Larsson. Brad Treliving has previously worked with the Coyotes as well as Don Maloney who was the former GM in Arizona and is now VP of Hockey Ops.
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Friedman also reports they've considered Rasmus Ristolainen of the Buffalo Sabres before, perhaps they circle back there.
- GERBE!!!75PTS

I highly doubt Risto goes to Calgary.

you get the best gm available every time

you get the best coach available every time


ralph was not the best coach out there

adams clearly was not the best gm out there, hell they never looked at anyone else


I am amazed how many people are still defending the owners that wrecked the sabres in 8 short years
- navinrjohnson

Did they not do the top two things repeatedly? How has it worked out? I'm not defending them, but they own the business. You want to make it about $, They can, it's their business. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, we all heard him say he'll go drill another well. Yeah we heard him say money is no object. All I'm saying is, like most actual things in life, throwing piles of cash at it doesn't necessarily fix it.

Never said it’s an “essential” position. Many teams don’t have a PHO, some roll it in with the GM. But when your background is oil and gas, fandom, and your wife has a marketing degree with no experience running a professional sports franchise. Maybe, just maybe, hiring an experienced, well regarded, President of hockey operations to over see said club would have been a wise and prudent business decision. And don’t give me “but he brought in Patty La”. Patty was not experienced in that position. Wasn’t successful in that position. Patty scratched Terry “the fan boys” itch. And it didn’t last a month.

If Terry hired a successful, experienced, well regarded hockey person to over see his hockey team we are looking at a different team with probably a lot fewer miss steps. And of course Terry could sit in on meeting and discussions and woo players. But you let your hockey people do what they know best.

He’s never done that. One inexperienced gm hire after another. To the point that we have a gm with zero front office experience and can’t melt ice correctly. The stink and stigma of this team is so bad after 9 years of Terry and Kim’s vaunted management that you can’t get well regarded coaches to even consider the opening. When you do get a local guy that could help your franchise brush off the stink, that’s just coming from successfully implementing an analytics model in a small market, you blow it because your statement to him is “what can you teach us that we as owners don’t already know”.

Hey, ain’t nothing we can do about it now. Is all up to a guy with zero front office experience that’s been part of a losing team for a decade and a motivational soccer czar. Maybe they can succeed in spite of the great and powerful puppet master with all the titles. But their track record says otherwise.
- Gr8daygo

he costs too much
- navinrjohnson

Well true, but he isn't very good at this point either.

Did they not do the top two things repeatedly? How has it worked out? I'm not defending them, but they own the business. You want to make it about $, They can, it's their business. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, we all heard him say he'll go drill another well. Yeah we heard him say money is no object. All I'm saying is, like most actual things in life, throwing piles of cash at it doesn't necessarily fix it.
- SDSabre

it's kim and ralph's team


that's beyond scary

Well true, but he isn't very good at this point either.
- Buff36

nope, arbitration rights so he will be awarded an inflated contract based on what he did several years ago

- navinrjohnson

Thought she was a Communications Major

I highly doubt Risto goes to Calgary.
- Buff36

I highly doubt he goes anywhere this summer


expect montour and or miller to be moved
maybe johansson (marcus)
maybe hutton

Thought she was a Communications Major
- Buff36

I'll ask her on the x's and o's podcast

that's 2

disco sucks
ted nolan
rolston
ralph
adams


none of them were on anyone's list
- navinrjohnson

Nolan and rolston were hold overs, and disco was #2 to Babcock. If we didn't hire him, someone else would have. I'm not happy with the product either, and Pegulas hold the vast share of the blame. But saying blatant untruths about it doesn't stronger that point. It also doesn't need to be strengthened anyway. 95/99% of Sabres fans know it's their fault. All we can do is hope they learned from their mistakes and take corrective action. That, or stop being a fan (third option, continue the self pity parade)

you get the best gm available every time

you get the best coach available every time


ralph was not the best coach out there

adams clearly was not the best gm out there, hell they never looked at anyone else


I am amazed how many people are still defending the owners that wrecked the sabres in 8 short years
- navinrjohnson

The more I learn about FL’s new GM, Bill Zito, I wonder how he wasn’t hired by one of the teams that had interviewed him in previous seasons. Think I saw Buffalo on that list, so I guess they interviewed him before hiring Botts. I wonder why they didn’t at least give him another look after firing Botts, before just giving the job to Adams. It looks like FL made a very good hire for their GM position, it seems a little surprising that he was still available.

Nolan and rolston were hold overs, and disco was #2 to Babcock. If we didn't hire him, someone else would have. I'm not happy with the product either, and Pegulas hold the vast share of the blame. But saying blatant untruths about it doesn't stronger that point. It also doesn't need to be strengthened anyway. 95/99% of Sabres fans know it's their fault. All we can do is hope they learned from their mistakes and take corrective action. That, or stop being a fan (third option, continue the self pity parade)
- SDSabre

This

Thought she was a Communications Major
- Buff36

I apologize for miss-degreeing her... it was an error on my part.

We wait and see what happens, Adams surprises all and makes a few savy trades and acquires a couple FA that are decent players and have HEART.

I apologize for miss-degreeing her... it was an error on my part.
- Gr8daygo

Nothing to apologize about, either way she shouldn't be running a Hockey Team.

Nolan and rolston were hold overs, and disco was #2 to Babcock. If we didn't hire him, someone else would have.
- SDSabre

I am not sure disco would have received a job

nobody else wanted him the year he was a free agent, nobody else hired him to be a head coach in the 3 plus years since we canned him

hell I don't think he ever got an interview during those 4 plus years to be a head coach anywhere else

The more I learn about FL’s new GM, Bill Zito, I wonder how he wasn’t hired by one of the teams that had interviewed him in previous seasons. Think I saw Buffalo on that list, so I guess they interviewed him before hiring Botts. I wonder why they didn’t at least give him another look after firing Botts, before just giving the job to Adams. It looks like FL made a very good hire for their GM position, it seems a little surprising that he was still available.
- Ratsreign

I mean you have to look, right?


we don't even look anymore