I think Willie is worth a top 4 defenseman. Problem is, who's trading one?
- gergeswillems

Ellis

You mean "Leafs in 3" over Columbus? Or "Leafs are winning the Cup this year. Guaranteed?"
- gergeswillems

NJ - Subban
Buff - Ristolainen
Edm - Larsson ✔️
- mr.sir

I'd take Subban

Might be in the minority but I don't think he had a bad year because he doesn't care anymore. He was an elite D just a year ago.

Would be a blast to have him on the team as well.

I'd consider the Ek rumour not too long ago of Willy for Subban(50%) retained plus a 1st round pick.

You could turn around and trade the 15th overall for possibly Josh Anderson to put in Willys old spot.

I'd definitely take Larsson over Subban or Risto.
- gergeswillems

I've wondered if Dubas would ever try to get both...

Dunno if its something he would do especially with the expansion draft coming up.

I'd take Subban

Might be in the minority but I don't think he had a bad year because he doesn't care anymore. He was an elite D just a year ago.

Would be a blast to have him on the team as well.

I'd consider the Ek rumour not too long ago of Willy for Subban(50%) retained plus a 1st round pick.

You could turn around and trade the 15th overall for possibly Josh Anderson to put in Willys old spot.
- Santo_44

Day 2 of Camp

PK and Rielly fight in practice.

I'd definitely take Larsson over Subban or Risto.
- gergeswillems

Very very very easily.

If it happened, I'd accept Ristolainen being on the Leafs. I wouldn't like it because he's awful, but I guess I could live with it.

Subban would be the absolute worst, though. Want no part of him with the Leafs.

Ellis
- GreatGigInTheSky

Good player

6.25m
Age 29
8 years left 😕

Any of you folks ever order jerseys from Fanatics?
- mr.sir

order stuff but not jerseys

I think Willie is worth a top 4 defenseman. Problem is, who's trading one?
- gergeswillems

I think Willy for Dumba would be on the table eventually. I don't think any team is trading a true number 1/2 c for Dumba.

I think there is a deal there to be had with Subban and the abundance of 1st round picks NJ have.(then you can trade the 15th overall for help elsewhere)

NSH might be willing to trade Ellis for Nylander...Would Dubas? Dunno he is 30 and I doubt NSH adds to that deal.

Outside chance at Proverov for Nylander but a lot would have to happen for that trade to go through. They'd have to trade JVR for fair value.

If I didn’t look like him I’d be pretty sure he wasn’t my real father. I started skiing at 6 or 7 so had no fears. I had to be helicoptered off a mountain in Switzerland and remember worrying that I’d be on the outside like in MASH but have never been scared on a hill.

I tried to teach my wife to ski and she was scared all the time. She told me once when she had fallen that she would make me pay for that and she’s been doing that ever since.
- Canada Cup

What happened

Good player

6.25m
Age 29
8 years left 😕
- mr.sir

Yeah if you trade for him you are doing it knowing you may have to trade away a 1st to get rid of him in that last year or two.

I think Willy for Dumba would be on the table eventually. I don't think any team is trading a true number 1/2 c for Dumba.

I think there is a deal there to be had with Subban and the abundance of 1st round picks NJ have.

NSH might be willing to trade Ellis for Nylander...Would Dubas? Dunno he is 30 and I doubt NSH adds to that deal.

Outside chance at Proverov for Nylander but a lot would have to happen for that trade to go through. They'd have to trade JVR for fair value.
- Santo_44

I always figured Provorov to be untouchable.

Would gladly take him on the Leafs if he wasn't untouchable, though.

I think Willy for Dumba would be on the table eventually. I don't think any team is trading a true number 1/2 c for Dumba.

I think there is a deal there to be had with Subban and the abundance of 1st round picks NJ have.

NSH might be willing to trade Ellis for Nylander...Would Dubas? Dunno he is 30 and I doubt NSH adds to that deal.

Outside chance at Proverov for Nylander but a lot would have to happen for that trade to go through. They'd have to trade JVR for fair value.
- Santo_44

After these playoffs I don't see the Flyers interested in trading Provorov, not for Nylander. Provorov looks like a future Norris contender.

Day 2 of Camp

PK and Rielly fight in practice.
- AdamFrench

I think Subban is a big character to have in the room.

On one hand that could be a bad thing...on the other hand the Leafs have looked lifeless at times. They could use a guy like that to get them in gear.

Good player

6.25m
Age 29
8 years left 😕
- mr.sir

6.25 meters?

That is pretty damn tall.

After these playoffs I don't see the Flyers interested in trading Provorov, not for Nylander. Provorov looks like a future Norris contender.
- Aetherial

Doubt they would too.

Its just the cost of getting a guy like Nylander, I wouldn't shut the door on it but its not likely at all that trade happens.

After these playoffs I don't see the Flyers interested in trading Provorov, not for Nylander. Provorov looks like a future Norris contender.
- Aetherial

I set my bar lower with P Myers......

That ship has now also sailed 😫

Very very very easily.

If it happened, I'd accept Ristolainen being on the Leafs. I wouldn't like it because he's awful, but I guess I could live with it.

Subban would be the absolute worst, though. Want no part of him with the Leafs.
- GreatGigInTheSky

I think the Subban show is the last thing this team needs.

I think the Subban show is the last thing this team needs.
- Aetherial

Not sure I agree with you there.

Leafs could use some life. Hasn't been enough there the past few years.

I think Willy for Dumba would be on the table eventually. I don't think any team is trading a true number 1/2 c for Dumba.

I think there is a deal there to be had with Subban and the abundance of 1st round picks NJ have.

NSH might be willing to trade Ellis for Nylander...Would Dubas? Dunno he is 30 and I doubt NSH adds to that deal.

Outside chance at Proverov for Nylander but a lot would have to happen for that trade to go through. They'd have to trade JVR for fair value.
- Santo_44

Flyers wouldn't trade Provy for Willie. I doubt Minny trades Dumba for him either. Dubas would do that deal in a heartbeat. Ellis could be moved. Preds need a shakeup. They're suffering from "Fat cat syndrome." Way too much complacency on that Preds team. I think Willie is worth more than Subban straight up.

Doubt they would too.

Its just the cost of getting a guy like Nylander, I wouldn't shut the door on it but its not likely at all that trade happens.
- Santo_44

Yeah I think the Leafs are keeping Nylander next season.

If there isn't significant improvement in the team performance, I think all bets are off.

I think the Subban show is the last thing this team needs.
- Aetherial

100% agree.

Flyers wouldn't trade Provy for Willie. I doubt Minny trades Dumba for him either. Dubas would do that deal in a heartbeat. Ellis could be moved. Preds need a shakeup. They're suffering from "Fat cat syndrome." Way too much complacency on that team.
- gergeswillems

Dumba for Willy is fair for both teams. Still don't think either players are the 1st choice for both teams but probably the most realistic.

Ellis would be sweet but it sucks he is 30 and Willy is 23. Still lots of room for growth for Willy.

Yeah I think the Leafs are keeping Nylander next season.

If there isn't significant improvement in the team performance, I think all bets are off.
- Aetherial

I agree. I am just betting there are some deals out there that might be a match.


Seems like the type of offseason for some unexpected fireworks.

Flyers wouldn't trade Provy for Willie. I doubt Minny trades Dumba for him either. Dubas would do that deal in a heartbeat. Ellis could be moved. Preds need a shakeup. They're suffering from "Fat cat syndrome." Way too much complacency on that Preds team. I think Willie is worth more than Subban straight up.
- gergeswillems

I agree that Philly wouldn't do it but I would very much hope that the Leafs would be the team that doesn't do the Dumba trade.

Never been a fan of Dumba's game.

EDIT: OK, that's false. I was a fan of his game a few years back in the playoffs. I thought he was great. But that was the first and last time I've like his game.