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bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Sep 8 @ 2:42 PM ET
Maybe this is the real Justin Lowe. Over/under on name change 46 days.
- VopatsRash


Did the Preds make it out of the play-in round? I forgot. How is Matt Duchene working out so far?
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Sep 8 @ 2:44 PM ET
Did the Preds make it out of the play-in round? I forgot. How is Matt Duchene working out so far?
- bhawks2241


Maybe the Preds should hire Laviolette back?
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Sep 8 @ 2:55 PM ET
Just playing devils advocate, what if it was something like;

"we'll keep you off the playoff roster, so you don't burn a year, but we'll guarantee you a spot on the big club to start next year"

I know most say these things don't get said, but think about it. He has 9 games to show he belongs or not correct? Could be sent down after that and still not burn that first year correct?

- vabeachbear

Mitchell isn't slide eligible due to his age when he signed his ELC.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Sep 8 @ 2:56 PM ET
de Haan was also coming off injury so that may have played a factor in his postseason performance.

Either way, I agree that de Haan could make more sense to move. The fear and reality is other teams know his is damaged goods so his value isn't as high as Maatta or even Murphy.

- Theo Fox

Murphy has more trade value than Maatta.
bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Sep 8 @ 3:03 PM ET
Murphy has more trade value than Maatta.
- Elbows15


With the stagnant cap due to COVID and Murphy's low cap hit. Does he bring back lower a 1st round pick?

3.8 mil for a solid 2nd pair guy could have a lot of value given current circumstances.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Sep 8 @ 3:14 PM ET
With the stagnant cap due to COVID and Murphy's low cap hit. Does he bring back lower a 1st round pick?

3.8 mil for a solid 2nd pair guy could have a lot of value given current circumstances.

- bhawks2241


Murphy to Toronto for Kerfoot?

That makes Strome available. Read on another site Columbus is looking for center help. Strome to CBJ for Josh Anderson?
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Sep 8 @ 3:19 PM ET
With the stagnant cap due to COVID and Murphy's low cap hit. Does he bring back lower a 1st round pick?

3.8 mil for a solid 2nd pair guy could have a lot of value given current circumstances.

- bhawks2241

I wouldn't be trading Murphy unless its an overpay.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Sep 8 @ 3:20 PM ET
Murphy to Toronto for Kerfoot?

That makes Strome available. Read on another site Columbus is looking for center help. Strome to CBJ for Josh Anderson?

- boilermaker100

I think they could do better
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Sep 8 @ 3:24 PM ET
I think they could do better
- Elbows15


Who? Toronto, Columbus, or the Hawks?
tvetter
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burkesville, KY
Joined: 12.16.2015

Sep 8 @ 3:26 PM ET
Rumor out that Crawford has been offered a one-year deal at $3.5M (source is Scott Powers from the Athletic).
- Theo Fox

Outside of Crow signing cheap, we're pretty much screwed next year. Not that I expect much more than a playoff bubble team, but if Crow leaves, his replacement will most likely cost more. That means they lose 2 of Saad, Strome or Kubalik, in addition to at least one of Murphy, Maata and deHaan. If they sign someone for less than 3.5, they'll basically have a backup as a starter.

What did you think about the article? I know it's early for your draft preview, but do you think they'll draft a goalie in the first three rounds?
ikeane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Joined: 11.04.2005

Sep 8 @ 3:28 PM ET
Who? Toronto, Columbus, or the Hawks?
- boilermaker100


Yes 😂
bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Sep 8 @ 3:30 PM ET
I wouldn't be trading Murphy unless its an overpay.
- Elbows15


Agreed.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Sep 8 @ 3:43 PM ET
With the stagnant cap due to COVID and Murphy's low cap hit. Does he bring back lower a 1st round pick?

3.8 mil for a solid 2nd pair guy could have a lot of value given current circumstances.

- bhawks2241

The other consideration whether you trade Murphy now or later down the road, is that he.is your one and only top four whom plays with a physical edge. I believe the future NHL is to have a blueline crew majority being the new age skill skating puck movers BUT there is a need and a place to retain one or two dmen whomwillungly can knock the opponent on their derriere. And can win a puck scrum due to strength and size.

I bet Theo agrees. I bet Rick agrees. I know what wiz feels about it. In fact I think many readers here agree this us a trend occurring now in the NHL. I worry that our one really top skill new age capable dman, Boqvist, has concussion history. This is why I would have been in favor of trying to draft Drysdale. But he is not exactly fit that profile. I like his skating/edgework and projection being good defensively - which a lot of the new age dmen have as an issue. Alas we are not drafting Drysdale and someone will scoop him up early

My other big wish was to gamble on drafting Askarov. But I do not see that happening. As well Askarov might go earlier than projected. What we need is a top young goalie prospect then a power forward. I don't foresee either with the 17th pick. Maybe in round two you look at that need. Hard to argue with best player available come our choice.
scottak
Location: I am serious. And don't call me Shirley!
Joined: 08.06.2010

Sep 8 @ 4:02 PM ET
If he does not take it things could get interesting. I do not think it would happen, but the Hawks could go with some combination of Delia/Lankinen/Subban next year. If they are awful that would put the Hawks in the draft lottery with an excellent chance to get one of the top picks.

Without the cap pressure, it would also buy them more time to evaluate their defensemen situation and the health of Shaw, Seabs, and deHaan. They could keep all of their dmen, and Subban, Saad, Kubalik, Strome and K4. (Strome with QO only.) Then at the trade deadline they could trade one of the dmen, Saad, Strome for additional picks and prospects.

- -Doh-

If they try that, I'll opine that Keith and Seabrook will be knocking on Stan's door asking for a ticket out of town. I'm sure 19 & 88 wouldn't be too thrilled about it either. These are proud athletes, that have reached the summit 3 times. Tanking will not work unless you move all 4 out of town.
bhawks2241
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 09.17.2013

Sep 8 @ 4:03 PM ET
The other consideration whether you trade Murphy now or later down the road, is that he.is your one and only top four whom plays with a physical edge. I believe the future NHL is to have a blueline crew majority being the new age skill skating puck movers BUT there is a need and a place to retain one or two dmen whomwillungly can knock the opponent on their derriere. And can win a puck scrum due to strength and size.

I bet Theo agrees. I bet Rick agrees. I know what wiz feels about it. In fact I think many readers here agree this us a trend occurring now in the NHL. I worry that our one really top skill new age capable dman, Boqvist, has concussion history. This is why I would have been in favor of trying to draft Drysdale. But he is not exactly fit that profile. I like his skating/edgework and projection being good defensively - which a lot of the new age dmen have as an issue. Alas we are not drafting Drysdale and someone will scoop him up early

My other big wish was to gamble on drafting Askarov. But I do not see that happening. As well Askarov might go earlier than projected. What we need is a top young goalie prospect then a power forward. I don't foresee either with the 17th pick. Maybe in round two you look at that need. Hard to argue with best player available come our choice.

- jhawk59


I agree. You keep Murphy unless someone offers an over pay for him. He is the only Hawk's D that can actually clear the crease and put a big hit on someone. He skates pretty well for a big guy too. Showed some nice offensive flair in the playoffs too.
scottak
Location: I am serious. And don't call me Shirley!
Joined: 08.06.2010

Sep 8 @ 4:03 PM ET
It will be interesting to see if Crawford resigns or moves on. With a flat cap for the next 3 years and Chicago still in cap and contract hell , this offseason should be a reset and hard look at each position, contract and try and rebuild . Next summer the expansion draft may or may not help Chicago.
- Taylorst1

3 years for $10M ($3.33M AAV) will get it done.
powerenforcer
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wheeling, IL
Joined: 09.24.2009

Sep 8 @ 4:04 PM ET
If they try that, I'll opine that Keith and Seabrook will be knocking on Stan's door asking for a ticket out of town. I'm sure 19 & 88 wouldn't be too thrilled about it either. These are proud athletes, that have reached the summit 3 times. Tanking will not work unless you move all 4 out of town.
- scottak


But all the cap space?

DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Sep 8 @ 4:11 PM ET
3 years for $10M ($3.33M AAV) will get it done.
- scottak


Crawford should walk unless he gets $6 million per year for 4 years.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Sep 8 @ 4:15 PM ET
With the stagnant cap due to COVID and Murphy's low cap hit. Does he bring back lower a 1st round pick?

3.8 mil for a solid 2nd pair guy could have a lot of value given current circumstances.

- bhawks2241


I think Saad is in play, rather then wait to see what they will get at the trade deadline.
The only first round picks acquired last year were for cost controlled players, and by contenders so those picks would be in the 20's anyway. With the 10% overage in the offseason, easier for a team to figure out how to get down to the cap limit before the season, then to count on having LTIR money to spend at the TDL, especially if next season is shorter, which would mean the days accruing LTIR would be less.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Sep 8 @ 4:19 PM ET
If he does not take it things could get interesting. I do not think it would happen, but the Hawks could go with some combination of Delia/Lankinen/Subban next year. If they are awful that would put the Hawks in the draft lottery with an excellent chance to get one of the top picks.

Without the cap pressure, it would also buy them more time to evaluate their defensemen situation and the health of Shaw, Seabs, and deHaan. They could keep all of their dmen, and Subban, Saad, Kubalik, Strome and K4. (Strome with QO only.) Then at the trade deadline they could trade one of the dmen, Saad, Strome for additional picks and prospects.

- -Doh-


Nah, they will sign a second tier UFA goalie like a Cam Talbot, Greiss, (Khudobin might have priced himself out by his play) for $2.5 to $3 mil.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Sep 8 @ 4:27 PM ET
Crawford should walk unless he gets $6 million per year for 4 years.
- DarthKane


If Stan offers anything more than a year at more than $2M it's a huge overpay!
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Sep 8 @ 4:39 PM ET
Who? Toronto, Columbus, or the Hawks?
- boilermaker100

The Hawks. Anderson for Strome is a great deal for the Jackets. Anderson is coming off of major surgery on his shoulder and wasn't exactly lighting it up before the surgery.

Toronto get a RHD for a meh 3rd liner? Huge win for the Leafs. I would want the big Russian as part of any deal for Murphy with the Leafs.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Sep 8 @ 4:51 PM ET
If he does not take it things could get interesting. I do not think it would happen, but the Hawks could go with some combination of Delia/Lankinen/Subban next year. If they are awful that would put the Hawks in the draft lottery with an excellent chance to get one of the top picks.

Without the cap pressure, it would also buy them more time to evaluate their defensemen situation and the health of Shaw, Seabs, and deHaan. They could keep all of their dmen, and Subban, Saad, Kubalik, Strome and K4. (Strome with QO only.) Then at the trade deadline they could trade one of the dmen, Saad, Strome for additional picks and prospects.

- -Doh-

Seeing preliminary reports that Crawford's camp has responded to the offer but no details yet. [EDIT: Nix that; rumors not true that Crawford has responded.]

At least we know what Bowman is thinking as far as dollar and term to re-sign Crawford. Looking at one year for a little more than half his current salary.

Maybe counter offer for $3.5M for more years? Or one year at higher salary?
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Sep 8 @ 4:55 PM ET
The Hawks. Anderson for Strome is a great deal for the Jackets. Anderson is coming off of major surgery on his shoulder and wasn't exactly lighting it up before the surgery.

Toronto get a RHD for a meh 3rd liner? Huge win for the Leafs. I would want the big Russian as part of any deal for Murphy with the Leafs.

- Elbows15

Leafs will be dumping more talent soon so they can sign Pietrangelo and have another $10M+ player on their roster.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Sep 8 @ 4:58 PM ET
Murphy to Toronto for Kerfoot?

That makes Strome available. Read on another site Columbus is looking for center help. Strome to CBJ for Josh Anderson?

- boilermaker100

If Strome is being shopped, I'd consider sending him to the Avalanche for Jost. Kadri and Compher are their 2C and 3C so that could be a way to get a younger 2C in their lineup for the longer term.

Jost can play wing although drafted as a center. Not putting up huge numbers so far in his career but could be worth developing as an affordable 3rd liner if signed to a respectable contract at $1.5-$2M (he is an RFA off of an ELC).

Kerfoot is a similar middle 6 C/W but already earning $3.5M for the next 3 years. Go with the cheaper option in Jost with an opportunity to still reach potential.
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