Thats selling low. TK hasnt peaked.......
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

is that what your crystal ball told you? what did it say about ghost

Waiting on the development and progress of the young players.
- MJL

Pretty much. Just hopin’ and prayin’ they progress a little bit more than initially expected.

That’s what got Hextall fired, well that and he’s a bit of a pr!ck, I don’t think Dave Scott is on-board with that so don’t expect it.
- Dave21Brown

So after Hextall getting fired, Fletcher getting hired and making some moves under Scott's mandate, where are we? Right in the same place we were before. Waiting on the young players to develop to push the team forward. You cannot trade or use free agency to get out of that waiting. It's what was needed before and what is needed now. Hextall knew that, Scott didn't.

Waiting on the development and progress of the young players.
- MJL

So your going to wait for a moment that may never come.

Not all will develop. Not all will progress. Chances are greater many don't make it then will.

i've never seen a bottle of alcohol force it's self down my throat like i've never seen a gun get jump off a table and kill someone
- 2Real

Ah, so you’re one of those people who thinks alcoholics would be fine if they just stopped drinking one day when they realize if has affects upon them greater than most individuals.

To say it’s a disease is silly to you.

ah the classic I can do no wrong MJL. Lol I didn’t even offer a full proposal! It was an open ended question what would Need to be added. Learn how to read. At least I stick to hockey and don’t shove my opinion when it’s not needed or welcomed.
- arichardson22

I'm sorry your feelings are hurt but you should own it. Your trade proposal was not well thought out. Get personal all you want. It won't change that.

So after Hextall getting fired, Fletcher getting hired and making some moves under Scott's mandate, where are we? Right in the same place we were before. Waiting on the young players to develop to push the team forward. You cannot trade or use free agency to get out of that waiting. It's what was needed before and what is needed now. Hextall knew that, Scott didn't.
- MJL

not in the same place as dont think hextall makes the trades or free agent signings the current GM made. Therefor dont think they make the playoffs.

Yes you can trade to get out of that "waiting" and move the process forward. There are hockey trades out there, not just sitting hoping your draft picks pan out.

So your going to wait for a moment that may never come.

Not all will develop. Not all will progress. Chances are greater many don't make it then will.
- login

It's never 100% but that's how you build a team in today's NHL. Then you supplement when you need to but the drafting and development comes first. If you do it the other way, you wind up with more JVR's.

not in the same place as dont think hextall makes the trades or free agent signings the current GM made. Therefor dont think they make the playoffs.

Yes you can trade to get out of that "waiting" and move the process forward. There are hockey trades out there, not just sitting hoping your draft picks pan out.
- login

The made some improvement for sure and the playoff experience is valuable. However in the big picture, it's still about the young guys. Always was and always will be.

So after Hextall getting fired, Fletcher getting hired and making some moves under Scott's mandate, where are we? Right in the same place we were before. Waiting on the young players to develop to push the team forward. You cannot trade or use free agency to get out of that waiting. It's what was needed before and what is needed now. Hextall knew that, Scott didn't.
- MJL

I agree it comes down to the young players ultimately. I am also fine with moving the needle via trade. Just not sure what's out there that moves the needle. Incremental improvement is fine.

Not sure that the Flyers are at the point where they trade young prospects for a shot at the cup. Just think they need an other year of seasoning for the young core (Provy, TK, Laughton, Myers, Sanheim, Hart, Lindblom, etc) on this team.

It's never 100% but that's how you build a team in today's NHL. Then you supplement when you need to but the drafting and development comes first. If you do it the other way, you wind up with more JVR's.
- MJL

Hextall had no plan. Every team builds through the draft and development aspect. Then at some point you to supplement what you have with other pieces i agree. Hextall never did that, except with JVR and that aint looking to good. Always kicked the can down the road. At some point you move up that process as there is no definitive date for when you do. He never did a good job assessing that as it was his way approach. Showed no flexibility.

Never gave those young guys on D help they so desperately needed. He did a piss poor job at the nhl level imo.

The made some improvement for sure and the playoff experience is valuable. However in the big picture, it's still about the young guys. Always was and always will be.
- MJL

well it sure as poop aint about clode or jake. 2 players who wasted away here.

Hextall had no plan. Every team builds through the draft and development aspect. Then at some point you to supplement what you have with other pieces i agree. Hextall never did that, except with JVR and that aint looking to good. Always kicked the can down the road. At some point you move up that process as there is no definitive date for when you do. He never did a good job assessing that as it was his way approach. Showed no flexibility.

Never gave those young guys on D help they so desperately needed. He did a piss poor job at the nhl level imo.
- login

I stopped reading at Hextall had no plan.

So your going to wait for a moment that may never come.

Not all will develop. Not all will progress. Chances are greater many don't make it then will.
- login

You know what, screw waiting. Let’s trade everyone and sign all the free agents

I'm sorry your feelings are hurt but you should own it. Your trade proposal was not well thought out. Get personal all you want. It won't change that.
- MJL

Again, it wasn’t a full trade proposal. It was an open ended question. It was a discussion between myself and another poster. Again, learn how to read. You moron. No feelings are hurt. Just calling out the typical bumhole.

The made some improvement for sure and the playoff experience is valuable. However in the big picture, it's still about the young guys. Always was and always will be.
- MJL

While semantics I hope that the big picture is about winning the cup and not the young guys.

To be clear I don't think you can win the cup without the young guys developing as we hope they will but at a certain point the full focus needs to be on the primary target .

Again, I dont think it's a huge difference other then in wording.

It's never 100% but that's how you build a team in today's NHL. Then you supplement when you need to but the drafting and development comes first. If you do it the other way, you wind up with more JVR's.
- MJL

I agree with you

However, I wonder if people already believe that we are at that point. We have the young players that have been brought up in the system. They see that Farabee, Provy, Sanheim, Myers and Hart are killers. Lindblom and Farabee are well on their way. Frost should be ready to go sooner than later. NoPa could be a bust, but who knows? Maybe his head calms? It does with many people as they age (although he’s still young for that) and hey, the future looks bright in the farm with guys like York and Zamula. All we need now is to miraculously trade an old fart or two and get back the last remaining pieces of the puzzle.

Maybe they think we’re at the point the Kings were when they finally polished it off with 3 ex-Flyers (albeit only 1 came from us directly, I know)

I stopped reading at Hextall had no plan.
- MJL

draft and develop. The same as every other GM. So stop with that nonsense he was a trend setter or maverick.

Ah, so you’re one of those people who thinks alcoholics would be fine if they just stopped drinking one day when they realize if has affects upon them greater than most individuals.

To say it’s a disease is silly to you.
- Hesh_

Except you are neglecting one fact. You dont just wake up one day with an addiction. You choose to abuse a substance to the point you become reliant on it. Lindblom didnt choose to get Cancer. Ryan chose to abuse Alcohol. Its a self inflicted disease.

Life is unfair and life sucks. We choose how we deal with it. Even depression. My doctor has diagnosed me with depression, I have not abused any substances to cope.

You know what, screw waiting. Let’s trade everyone and sign all the free agents
- ClaudeFather

that is exactly what is being discussed. Glad to see you have come around.

I stopped reading at Hextall had no plan.
- MJL

Same. Hextall did a lot of good things and can’t downplay the impact they had on the team we have today

Same. Hextall did a lot of good things and can’t downplay the impact they had on the team we have today
- Hughjass

did a lot of bad things and cant downplay the impact it has had.

So after Hextall getting fired, Fletcher getting hired and making some moves under Scott's mandate, where are we? Right in the same place we were before. Waiting on the young players to develop to push the team forward. You cannot trade or use free agency to get out of that waiting. It's what was needed before and what is needed now. Hextall knew that, Scott didn't.
- MJL

Not exact same place that we were before... 1) The team competed and got to the playoffs... may not have with Hextall, 2) the success was greatly effected by Flex's moves (filling gaps)... the surprise was how well, 3) Hart has a "full" season under his belt and playoff experience, 4) Sanhiem-Myer is a NHL line, etc...

The bad (not Fletcher fail, probably would have happened under Hex as well)... Lindblom, Nolan, Morin illness/injuries. Frost not breaking roster. Ghost continues to struggle, can't find a fit in the line up. JVR is a bust again in Philly. Poor play by the top players in the playoffs.

did a lot of bad things and cant downplay the impact it has had.
- login

As with every GM, his time was up but he served his purpose. Fletcher comes in signs Hayes which everyone complained about the cost. Traded gudas for Niskanen and the Braun trade. The rest of the team was a result of hextall

While semantics I hope that the big picture is about winning the cup and not the young guys.

To be clear I don't think you can win the cup without the young guys developing as we hope they will but at a certain point the full focus needs to be on the primary target .

Again, I dont think it's a huge difference other then in wording.
- opeth_pa

What other ultimate goal would there be?