As with every GM, his time was up but he served his purpose. Fletcher comes in signs Hayes which everyone complained about the cost. Traded gudas for Niskanen and the Braun trade. The rest of the team was a result of hextall
- Hughjass

well that is false that the rest of the team was the result of hextall.

What other ultimate goal would there be?
- MJL

winning the cap space cup and having the best prospect pool. Some seem to think that is the goal; or that is the perception.

So your going to wait for a moment that may never come.

Not all will develop. Not all will progress. Chances are greater many don't make it then will.
- login

Thats the process. Look at every team out there. Their teams are built through the draft.

Isles Drafted Barzal,

TB drafted Kuch, Stamkos, Point and Vas.

Vegas is a special case because they got to build a team by taking players from other teams.

Dallas Drafted Benn, Klingberg and Heiskanen. They added a young Seguin through a bad trade by Boston trying to do what you are proposing we do.

Colorado drafted Mack, Rantanen Makar and Landeskog

Leafs Reilly, Matthews, Marner and Nylander

Vancouver Petersen, Horvat, Boeser, Hughes

I can go on. Every core out there is build from the draft and\or selling top players for prospects.

Except you are neglecting one fact. You dont just wake up one day with an addiction. You choose to abuse a substance to the point you become reliant on it. Lindblom didnt choose to get Cancer. Ryan chose to abuse Alcohol. Its a self inflicted disease.

Life is unfair and life sucks. We choose how we deal with it. Even depression. My doctor has diagnosed me with depression, I have not abused any substances to cope.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Some people become reliant quite quickly. Not everyone gets it from going to the bar everyday until their body becomes physically addicted to it or else they get the DTs.

Most already have it in their system. They just don’t know it. It takes ahold of their lives much more quickly than it does others.

Now some people know this. Some people see that they have alcoholic relatives, and are at a higher risk of themselves becoming alcoholic. Some of those folks never drink from day 1. But not everyone knows, and not everyone thinks their dad or grandpa might be an akly when he really was, because frankly we werent as educated about it then as we are now. By the way - right here will show you that it’s not just something people develop because they “drink too much”.

So I’m curious - which is it?

Is he not to be lauded for overcoming alcoholism?

Or does he deserve respect, it’s just not overcoming cancer is all. Overcoming the bottle is difficult, but overcoming cancer is still a bigger deal.

Which?

Thats the process. Look at every team out there. Their teams are built through the draft.

Isles Drafted Barzal,

TB drafted Kuch, Stamkos, Point and Vas.

Vegas is a special case because they got to build a team by taking players from other teams.

Dallas Drafted Benn, Klingberg and Heiskanen. They added a young Seguin through a bad trade by Boston trying to do what you are proposing we do.

Colorado drafted Mack, Rantanen Makar and Landeskog

Leafs Reilly, Matthews, Marner and Nylander

Vancouver Petersen, Horvat, Boeser, Hughes

I can go on. Every core out there is build from the draft and\or selling top players for prospects.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

You added the leafs with those teams lol

Thats the process. Look at every team out there. Their teams are built through the draft.

Isles Drafted Barzal,

TB drafted Kuch, Stamkos, Point and Vas.

Vegas is a special case because they got to build a team by taking players from other teams.

Dallas Drafted Benn, Klingberg and Heiskanen. They added a young Seguin through a bad trade by Boston trying to do what you are proposing we do.

Colorado drafted Mack, Rantanen Makar and Landeskog

Leafs Reilly, Matthews, Marner and Nylander

Vancouver Petersen, Horvat, Boeser, Hughes

I can go on. Every core out there is build from the draft and\or selling top players for prospects.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

you mean ron hextall didnt come up with the draft and develop model?

Hextall never wanted to expedite that process. He was stubborn. How cant you see that. Never provided his young d with help they needed. It was we will be good when i say we will be good mantra. At some point every process/plan needs to reevaluated and adjusted.

Ideally I'd like to see the team grow from within next year.

Meaning Lindblom is fully back, Patrick is back and a players like Zamula, Frost and Ratcliffe are pushing for roster spots.


I appreciated Braun's contributions this year but hope to see someone younger in his spot next year.

Thanks for this season’s work Bill.

I’ll be back tomorrow for next season.

you mean ron hextall didnt come up with the draft and develop model?

Hextall never wanted to expedite that process. He was stubborn. How cant you see that. Never provided his young d with help they needed. It was we will be good when i say we will be good mantra. At some point every process/plan needs to reevaluated and adjusted.
- login

Yes because you cant rush development. If you push a prospect who isnt ready they become a bust like Luca Sbisa. Hextall was stubborn but your core needs to be built within and then you add the remaining pieces when you are ready. Hextall's biggest failure was he didnt have a plan to deal with Patrick not being ready for 2C position. That left a giant hole in our lineup. In previous seasons we had a vet in Filpula who could have stepped up and filled that hole. Maybe not as well as we'd like but enough to keep us competitive. Hextall let him go and the team fell apart. That is why we have seen such an improvement with the adition of Hayes. Of course there are other factors such as prospects improving.

Except you are neglecting one fact. You dont just wake up one day with an addiction. You choose to abuse a substance to the point you become reliant on it. Lindblom didnt choose to get Cancer. Ryan chose to abuse Alcohol. Its a self inflicted disease.

Life is unfair and life sucks. We choose how we deal with it. Even depression. My doctor has diagnosed me with depression, I have not abused any substances to cope.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

For the record you're comment here is factually incorrect for many addicts. Not in every case but in many there is a genetic predisposition to addiction. So some...do in fact, wake up with an addiction.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih..../pmc/articles/PMC4159132/

well that is false that the rest of the team was the result of hextall.
- login

Idk. Drafted sanheim lindblom tk provy hart frost Patrick++ That’s the majority of our core going forward.

Ideally I'd like to see the team grow from within next year.

Meaning Lindblom is fully back, Patrick is back and a players like Zamula, Frost and Ratcliffe are pushing for roster spots.


I appreciated Braun's contributions this year but hope to see someone younger in his spot next year.
- shekkie

cant see Ratcliff making any contribution. Agree with the rest.

well that is false that the rest of the team was the result of hextall.
- login

Not to mention Myers signing lol kids a beast and will be a huge part of our D for years

Yes because you cant rush development. If you push a prospect who isnt ready they become a bust like Luca Sbisa. Hextall was stubborn but your core needs to be built within and then you add the remaining pieces when you are ready. Hextall's biggest failure was he didnt have a plan to deal with Patrick not being ready for 2C position. That left a giant hole in our lineup. In previous seasons we had a vet in Filpula who could have stepped up and filled that hole. Maybe not as well as we'd like but enough to keep us competitive. Hextall let him go and the team fell apart. That is why we have seen such an improvement with the adition of Hayes. Of course there are other factors such as prospects improving.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

You can add and aid the development process. He didnt do that, as he neglected the nhl team. He added slop at the nhl level.

Not to mention Myers signing lol kids a beast and will be a huge part of our D for years
- Hughjass

wonder when saint hextall will get another GM job.

you really have no problem with a guy that chose to drink wins over a guy that had no control over cancer?
- 2Real

The drink chose him

Some people become reliant quite quickly. Not everyone gets it from going to the bar everyday until their body becomes physically addicted to it or else they get the DTs.

Most already have it in their system. They just don’t know it. It takes ahold of their lives much more quickly than it does others.

Now some people know this. Some people see that they have alcoholic relatives, and are at a higher risk of themselves becoming alcoholic. Some of those folks never drink from day 1. But not everyone knows, and not everyone thinks their dad or grandpa might be an akly when he really was, because frankly we werent as educated about it then as we are now. By the way - right here will show you that it’s not just something people develop because they “drink too much”.

So I’m curious - which is it?

Is he not to be lauded for overcoming alcoholism?

Or does he deserve respect, it’s just not overcoming cancer is all. Overcoming the bottle is difficult, but overcoming cancer is still a bigger deal.

Which?
- Hesh_

He overcame a disease he caused. Good for him, yes he should get some praise but overcoming Cancer is clearly higher up on the pedestal. Not only did he survive, but he was able to come back and join the team when even playing hockey again was a longshot.

wonder when saint hextall will get another GM job.
- login

I'm curious what his reputation is like around the league. Very mixed results here.

I'm sorry your feelings are hurt but you should own it. Your trade proposal was not well thought out. Get personal all you want. It won't change that.
- MJL

You don't hurt feelings.

You are a clown.

i've never seen a bottle of alcohol force it's self down my throat like i've never seen a gun get jump off a table and kill someone
- 2Real

Apples and motorcycles you're comparing there

Same. Hextall did a lot of good things and can’t downplay the impact they had on the team we have today
- Hughjass

The plan was and should still be to keep drafting well and then add components when it's clear that the team is very close. We're not quite there yet as we saw in the playoffs. I have full faith that hextall would have spent some picks/young players, signed UFAs etc when he felt the team was on the cusp. It's the blueprint they used when he was the A/GM in LA. He had a plan, but Scott was not patient and needed results faster. I'm just glad Fletch has generally stayed the course and not gone hog wild spending picks when the team isn't ready to contend.

You can add and aid the development process. He didnt do that, as he neglected the nhl team. He added slop at the nhl level.
- login

Except he did, you orget he inherited a massive cap issue when he took over. When he finally was able to clear that up he made a move to help the team take the next step adding JVR to help scoring and fill a gap at LW. It might not have been the correct move but to say he didnt do anything is absurd.

He overcame a disease he caused. Good for him, yes he should get some praise but overcoming Cancer is clearly higher up on the pedestal. Not only did he survive, but he was able to come back and join the team when even playing hockey again was a longshot.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Maybe, maybe not, but the way you phrase it makes it easy enough to know where you stand

I'm curious what his reputation is like around the league. Very mixed results here.
- easY

If the Wild's ownership was smart they would have hired Hextall. They have some terrible contracts and a non stellar draft history. But they are still trying to win without having the player base to even come close.

They are worse off than the Flyers when Hexy took over.

I'm curious what his reputation is like around the league. Very mixed results here.
- easY

who knows. He will likely get another shot unless the flyers really bad mouthed him or it was way worse than what was reported.