But imagine Freddy in front of a team that doesn't hang him out to dry all the time.
- GreatGigInTheSky

I love that hang him out to dry bullpoop. He can't wina playoff series.

You got a link to things? I've not seen't any of that. I'd very much like to read it.
- GreatGigInTheSky

SportsNet podcasts...

holl was given a $2m x 3 deal at 28 after 52 games in the nhl.

seems pretty rich for a guy like that.
- Tumbleweed

Let's be honest, Toronto's the only market where 2 million is a big overpay for a Justin Holl.

But imagine Freddy in front of a team that doesn't hang him out to dry all the time.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Contrary to popular belief, the Canes actually do this to their goalies several times per game.


the defense is pretty aggressive, which leads to some ugly breakdowns sometimes.

Freddy had the same #s and same struggles in the playoffs with Anaheim as he does Toronto. He's 31. He is what he is at this point.

Freddy had the same #s and same struggles in the playoffs with Anaheim as he does Toronto. He's 31. He is what he is at this point.
- RogerRoeper

Best Leafs goalie since Belfour

Rielly - Muzzin - Dermott - Holl - Sandin - Liljegren - Lehtonen.
seems like most of Leafs' D for next season is set - with the obvious lack of that 1st pairing - d-man that can pair up with Rielly.

Rielly -- ??
Muzzin -- Dermott
Sandin -- Holl
7th: Liljegren / Lehtonen.

the issue with leafs is team-d , starting with FWs.
too many floating wingers, and Leafs need a #3C.

Get rid of Nylander, Johnsson, Kerfoot -- and instantly team defense is better.

Hyman - Tavares - Marner
?? -- Matthews -- Mikheyev
Robertson -- ?? -- ??
Engvall -- ?? -- ??
13th/14th: Barabanov, Gauthier

in short - Leafs' lineup needs more work on FW than on Defense.
- MaximusAurelius

I like kerfoot, not sure why people hate on him.
Is it because of salary?
I dont see how instantly team defense would be better moving them unless we are getting some defensive forwards and a D back.
But then we lose scoring depth.

Best Leafs goalie since Belfour
- mr.sir

Yes well, looking at the list between Belfour and Andersen... it's pretty damn SAAD.

I love that hang him out to dry bullpoop. He can't wina playoff series.
- RogerRoeper

No one cares about your awful opinions on Freddy.

SportsNet podcasts...
- PatC80

Damn. Was hoping to read it not listen to it.

Best Leafs goalie since Belfour
- mr.sir

I agree. But is that saying much? Is that saying we extend him until his late 30's and give him a raise?

No one cares about your awful opinions on Freddy.


- GreatGigInTheSky

Poor Freddy. He has it so tough in TOronto...
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He was 0-4 in playoff deciding games in Anaheim...

The media has brainwashed people about Freddy, But that's ok, it might help with his value.

there's almost literally no way this happens unless something more than Andersen is coming back.

I like him and all, but the gap between a .915 goaltending and .908 goaltending doesn't seem like a big enough difference to trade a guy like Pesce.
- BINGO!

andersen would look real good behind the canes defenders/team defensive play.

he seems more suited to do well on a structured team.

there's almost literally no way this happens unless something more than Andersen is coming back.

I like him and all, but the gap between a .915 goaltending and .908 goaltending doesn't seem like a big enough difference to trade a guy like Pesce.
- BINGO!

I like pesce, i what i think he brings and think he is what the leafs need.
But i don't watch him alot.
Your thoughts on him?
Is he really what the leafs need?

there's almost literally no way this happens unless something more than Andersen is coming back.

I like him and all, but the gap between a .915 goaltending and .908 goaltending doesn't seem like a big enough difference to trade a guy like Pesce.
- BINGO!

You guys originally drafted him, it is destiny!

Contrary to popular belief, the Canes actually do this to their goalies several times per game.


the defense is pretty aggressive, which leads to some ugly breakdowns sometimes.
- BINGO!

Oh, well, he's still better than what you've got, at least.

andersen would look real good behind the canes defenders/team defensive play.

he seems more suited to do well on a structured team.
- Tumbleweed

Freddy does the same no matter what the team is.

I like kerfoot, not sure why people hate on him.
Is it because of salary?
I dont see how instantly team defense would be better moving them unless we are getting some defensive forwards and a D back.
But then we lose scoring depth.
- Fakepartofme

Kerfoot gets hate because he came in a deal for Kadri. Some people feel he's completely inferior to Kadri and view him only as such.

Kerfoot is actually pretty decent for a reasonable cap hit.

Some fans aren't happy unless their team is underpaid and over performing ALL the time.

I like pesce, i what i think he brings and think he is what the leafs need.
But i don't watch him alot.
Your thoughts on him?
Is he really what the leafs need?
- Fakepartofme

Pesce would be a great D-partner with Rielly. I would be happy if we could do a Johnsson and Andersen for Pesce and Mrazek trade.

Kerfoot gets hate because he came in a deal for Kadri. Some people feel he's completely inferior to Kadri and view him only as such.

Kerfoot is actually pretty decent for a reasonable cap hit.

Some fans aren't happy unless their team is underpaid and over performing ALL the time.
- Aaron_85

I like Kerfoot, he can chip in offensively and is responsible in his own zone... Just wish he didn't get knocked off the puck so easily at times

Leafs need to spend assets on better D than Pesce. Go all in on Ekblad or Paryko.

I like pesce, i what i think he brings and think he is what the leafs need.
But i don't watch him alot.
Your thoughts on him?
Is he really what the leafs need?
- Fakepartofme

Average speed, reasonably physical, but has good instincts and will get the puck up and out quick.

Had a bit of a down year this year because of bouncing all over the lineup, but he's a legit #3/4 shutdown guy.

The media has brainwashed people about Freddy, But that's ok, it might help with his value.
- RogerRoeper

Or, conversely, your opinion on the goaltending is bad because of the false light you hold the team in front of him in.

Leafs need to spend assets on better D than Pesce. Go all in on Ekblad or Paryko.
- RogerRoeper

The Leafs should target Seth Jones, since he is better than Pesce