The only way I see this is if the Leafs are convinced there’s a reclamation out there: Murray turns it around or Holtby remembers how to play and they decide to move Freddie for whatever they can get.
- Canada Cup

It's pretty easy to imagine another team wanting Freddy.

It's much harder to imagine that team making it worth Toronto's while.

For sure ..it's interesting. The whole hypothetical is premised on IF the Knights want to lock up Lehner (because they like him better than Fleury). And in terms why another team would take Fleury ...same assumption ...it would have to be some team that likes him at 5 million (or whatever) over some of the other options.

I'm not sure what's out there yet in terms of options. This playoffs has been pretty wild for evaluating goalies. Is Khudobin good ..or poop? Bishop, the Avalanche guys? ...Korpisalo and Demko showed way better than expected ....???
- The Law

Khudobin played above his head. I believe he's in his 30s. He is a reliable back up and that's it in my opinion. He's been given starter job before but never did anything.

Vancouver and CBJ are interesting but Demko played 3 good games. THREE! I don't see why people anoint him as a starter now because of it.

so this is saying Matthews is benefitting from getting the easy matchups as well?

Barzal is a top10 young FW in NHL, and he's really really good - and indeed in same category as Eichel.
- MaximusAurelius

Barzal is a good young player but so far in his career he’s a 20 goal guy. Nylander has better stats.

If it weren't for the Cap this would be easy. I think his desire to keep the Big 4 together and improve the defense has to at least make him consider taking some risk in net.

When I look at next years Cap ..if he wants to add a partner for Rielly he has to save another 1.5-2.0 milly somewhere on the Roster. So I think that means he either moves Johnsson and replaces him with Robertson OR he moves Freddy and replaces him with one of those younger cheaper guys (eg. Korpisalo at 2.8).

The Johnsson move is probably the easiest and it lets you keep Freddy this year. BUT you look ahead to next summer and another flat cap and if you want to sign Hyman (I'd guess around 4.5 ish?) then Freddys not coming back unless he's willing to sign for 4'ish per year.

There's going to be sacrifice somewhere ...I'm over with it being on the blue line.
- The Law

absolutely. things need to be shifted around.

i just don't think downgrading in net is good idea. i can't see a georgiev or korpisalo being good enough to get us over the hump of beating rask. and then vaiselevsky. let alone beating a guy like lehner outside of our division.

In theory, a team that likes the idea of paying $1M in actual dollars this season for a goalie who they think is under-rated, because he plays behind crappy Leafs defence, in front of crappier Leafs press.

That's the theory.

It's now someone else's job to apply in in real life..
- Atomic Wedgie

If you believe Elliotte Friedman, there are at least three possibly four teams interested in Andersen, at least one of which is very interested. It's not that hard to believe this. Of the available goalies, I would think Georgiev is at the top of the list for the Leafs and there is a good opportunity for a significant trade between the Leafs and Rangers. Both Georgiev and DeAngelo are RFA.

Khudobin played above his head. I believe he's in his 30s. He is a reliable back up and that's it in my opinion. He's been given starter job before but never did anything.

Vancouver and CBJ are interesting but Demko played 3 good games. THREE! I don't see why people anoint him as a starter now because of it.
- Aaron_85

i'd be happy signing a guy like khodbin to play 30 games behind campbell.

see what campbell is. worst that happens is we suck and have a shot at drafting the dman we need in the top 10.

Khudobin played above his head. I believe he's in his 30s. He is a reliable back up and that's it in my opinion. He's been given starter job before but never did anything.

Vancouver and CBJ are interesting but Demko played 3 good games. THREE! I don't see why people anoint him as a starter now because of it.
- Aaron_85

Only because Vancouver has to make a decision on Markstrom.

The expansion draft is hitting them in net. Markstrom isn't going to sign there at a good number without a NMC. If they opt for Markstrom then Demko becomes an obvious target for Seattle.

i'd be happy signing a guy like khodbin to play 30 games behind campbell.

see what campbell is. worst that happens is we suck and have a shot at drafting the dman we need in the top 10.
- Tumbleweed

This is Dubas' window though and not making the playoffs and wanting a top pick is not an option.

so this is saying Matthews is benefitting from getting the easy matchups as well?

Barzal is a top10 young FW in NHL, and he's really really good - and indeed in same category as Eichel.
- MaximusAurelius

Eichel is in the same tier as Matthews and that's above Barzal.

This morning, while we weren't looking, my dog took an entire raspberry pie off the counter and ate it.

Can't wait to see her poops.

absolutely. things need to be shifted around.

i just don't think downgrading in net is good idea. i can't see a georgiev or korpisalo being good enough to get us over the hump of beating rask. and then vaiselevsky. let alone beating a guy like lehner outside of our division.
- Tumbleweed

And I don't disagree but the reality becomes this ...

You keep Freddy for this year and want to add a UFA dman for say 4.5'ish. You move Johnsson and slot Robertson into the lineup and hope he plays well. That works fine and they can add a vet at the deadline upfront if Robertson isn't quite there.

But next summer you'll have Hyman and Freddy up for new deals and the options become even more difficult. If Freddy's bad this year they probably walk away, if he's good/great then he's worthy of a raise or atleast similar $$. Either way I think the Leafs will have to pass. So for me keeping Freddy now means keeping him for just one year anyway.

I think they really like Hyman and they really want to improve the D so I think they look really hard at acquiring a young goalie now who they think they can run with. If they can't then fine, run with Freddy this year and move Johnsson and deal with this all over again next summer.

asking for +10M when other guys in the room are topping out at 5-7M can also create animosity.

8x6 is a little low looking at what comparable guys signed for last year. 8.5mx5 is more than fair. a lot of scratch and makes him the highest paid player on the team.

marner 10.9x6
rantanen 9.25x6
aho 8.5x5
Laine 6.8x3
Point 6.8x3
- Tumbleweed

Barzal is a centre and while Rantanen (who makes $3 million a year more than McKinnon) is a RW. Barzal is worth more than Rantanen IMO. Rantanen scores more goals (plays with a top three NHL centre) and they are both just under a point a game.

Only because Vancouver has to make a decision on Markstrom.

The expansion draft is hitting them in net. Markstrom isn't going to sign there at a good number without a NMC. If they opt for Markstrom then Demko becomes an obvious target for Seattle.
- The Law

I actually like the Canucks, so bear that in mind when you read the following statement:

I think they are taking a huge, wild risk in declaring Demko ready for prime time, after he started exactly 3 games in the playoffs.

Jesus, that sounds like what the Leafs did for 40 years.

If you believe Elliotte Friedman, there are at least three possibly four teams interested in Andersen, at least one of which is very interested. It's not that hard to believe this. Of the available goalies, I would think Georgiev is at the top of the list for the Leafs and there is a good opportunity for a significant trade between the Leafs and Rangers. Both Georgiev and DeAngelo are RFA.
- winsix

I have to think Carolina, Calgary and maybe Edmonton are all sniffing around.

Only because Vancouver has to make a decision on Markstrom.

The expansion draft is hitting them in net. Markstrom isn't going to sign there at a good number without a NMC. If they opt for Markstrom then Demko becomes an obvious target for Seattle.
- The Law

That's not worth the risk to bank on needing a playoff series

And I don't disagree but the reality becomes this ...

You keep Freddy for this year and want to add a UFA dman for say 4.5'ish. You move Johnsson and slot Robertson into the lineup and hope he plays well. That works fine and they can add a vet at the deadline upfront if Robertson isn't quite there.

But next summer you'll have Hyman and Freddy up for new deals and the options become even more difficult. If Freddy's bad this year they probably walk away, if he's good/great then he's worthy of a raise or atleast similar $$. Either way I think the Leafs will have to pass. So for me keeping Freddy now means keeping him for just one year anyway.

I think they really like Hyman and they really want to improve the D so I think they look really hard at acquiring a young goalie now who they think they can run with. If they can't then fine, run with Freddy this year and move Johnsson and deal with this all over again next summer.
- The Law

Or run with Campbell as the #1 this year, and a young guy as the apprentice.

Not ideal, but the cap hell is real.

This is Dubas' window though and not making the playoffs and wanting a top pick is not an option.
- Aaron_85

idk. we're not good enough to win with freddy. but we will be if we replace him with a lesser goalie? seems like wishful thinking to me.

if we move on from freddy, i just hope we hold on to our 2021 1st.

so he is in the compensation range
2 First Round Picks
1 Second Round Pick
1 Third Round Pick


A team should def offer sheet him for that.
- senstroll

Habs?

I actually like the Canucks, so bear that in mind when you read the following statement:

I think they are taking a huge, wild risk in declaring Demko ready for prime time, after he started exactly 3 games in the playoffs.

Jesus, that sounds like what the Leafs did for 40 years.
- Atomic Wedgie

Jim Benning being the connection!

And another random thought:

If I had to bet a beer and a plate of nachos, I'd guess that the Leafs will play next year in an all-Canadian division, about 48 games.

So we need to be better than three of the following teams:

Montreal
Ottawa
Winnipeg
Calgary
Edmonton
Vancouver

Ottawa is a given.

Montreal is probably a non-playoff team, but man, they kinda scare me.

Who is the third team they beat? I guess you hope Winnipeg regresses.

That's not worth the risk to bank on needing a playoff series
- Aaron_85

Right so what do you do if you're Benning? He can't have his cake and eat it too (although he looks like he's enjoyed some cake).

Vegas is pretty tight with the cap, worse than the leafs atm

https://puckpedia.com/teams

they need to make some magic happen. Teams should really not help good teams out of bad spots.
- senstroll

Fleury and a 1st rd pick to Toronto for Bracco and Dermott, who says no?

And another random thought:

If I had to bet a beer and a plate of nachos, I'd guess that the Leafs will play next year in an all-Canadian division, about 48 games.

So we need to be better than three of the following teams:

Montreal
Ottawa
Winnipeg
Calgary
Edmonton
Vancouver

Ottawa is a given.

Montreal is probably a non-playoff team, but man, they kinda scare me.

Who is the third team they beat? I guess you hope Winnipeg regresses.
- Atomic Wedgie

I'm still not convinced about Calgary.

And I don't disagree but the reality becomes this ...

You keep Freddy for this year and want to add a UFA dman for say 4.5'ish. You move Johnsson and slot Robertson into the lineup and hope he plays well. That works fine and they can add a vet at the deadline upfront if Robertson isn't quite there.

But next summer you'll have Hyman and Freddy up for new deals and the options become even more difficult. If Freddy's bad this year they probably walk away, if he's good/great then he's worthy of a raise or atleast similar $$. Either way I think the Leafs will have to pass. So for me keeping Freddy now means keeping him for just one year anyway.

I think they really like Hyman and they really want to improve the D so I think they look really hard at acquiring a young goalie now who they think they can run with. If they can't then fine, run with Freddy this year and move Johnsson and deal with this all over again next summer.
- The Law

i agree. if we are not re-signing freddy, i think the time to move him is now.

if can lowball someone with engvall bracco and a 4th; then sure, let's a acquire a georgiev.

if not, let's just sign a vet backup. give the reins to campbell. let's see what he's made of.

use the cap space to bring in a dman. let's not thin out the forward group anymore.

there's almost literally no way this happens unless something more than Andersen is coming back.

I like him and all, but the gap between a .915 goaltending and .908 goaltending doesn't seem like a big enough difference to trade a guy like Pesce.
- BINGO!

Can you please post another ridiculous trade proposal. Your gem from yesterday provided hours of laughs.