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VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 10 @ 3:41 PM ET
They'll play south like the Jays. Lots of empty college buildings etc to choose from.
- NuckUp



NCAA was postponed today I bet AHL soon to announce
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Swedish4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Sep 10 @ 3:42 PM ET
Standing your ground

- VANTEL

I’m not sure if there’s 8 million or 5 million left on his contract, depending on when his bonus was/is paid for next season, but there’s less than zero chance he walks away from even 5 million dollars.

If he managed to get another NHL deal following a mutual termination agreement it would be a one year league minimum deal, he’s not walking away from millions of guaranteed money.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 10 @ 3:43 PM ET
They'll play south like the Jays. Lots of empty college buildings etc to choose from.
- NuckUp


I don't see these teams housing and feeding 50 people for 6 months so they don't make any money
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 10 @ 3:45 PM ET
I’m not sure if there’s 8 million or 5 million left on his contract, depending on when his bonus was/is paid for next season, but there’s less than zero chance he walks away from even 5 million dollars.

If he managed to get another NHL deal following a mutual termination agreement it would be a one year league minimum deal, he’s not walking away from millions of guaranteed money.

- Pacificgem


Freidman said all bonuses needed to be paid by July 1 so I am guessing 5 remaining. Also He has a partial NTC that he has to sign off 15 teams .
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Swedish4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Sep 10 @ 3:48 PM ET
Freidman said all bonuses needed to be paid by July 1 so I am guessing 5 remaining. Also He has a partial NTC that he has to sign off 15 teams .
- VANTEL

Even at 5 million he’s not walking away from that, and he’s said as much to the media. He could be attractive to a cap floor team.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 10 @ 3:48 PM ET
Even at 5 million he’s not walking away from that, and he’s said as much to the media. He could be attractive to a cap floor team.
- Pacificgem



Horrible signing
NuckUp
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cap Busters
Joined: 07.01.2019

Sep 10 @ 3:50 PM ET
Standing your ground

- VANTEL


What else would they talk internally be about, waiving his NTC? They already agreed to that didn't they and no takers. Even the Sens GM can't really justify trading for him. Why I see no other good option.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 10 @ 3:51 PM ET
What else would they talk internally be about, waiving his NTC? They already agreed to that didn't they and no takers. Even the Sens GM can't really justify trading for him. Why I see no other good option.
- NuckUp


Obviously the Sweetner value
NuckUp
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cap Busters
Joined: 07.01.2019

Sep 10 @ 3:57 PM ET
I don't see these teams housing and feeding 50 people for 6 months so they don't make any money
- VANTEL



Why would they house and feed them these guys aren't based out of AHL home cities. Maybe they look into college campus housing that would be empty next to those rinks for discount offerings. They could fill the Bean Pot void for example. But again, operational costs would be linked to NHL clubs and TV deals.
NuckUp
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cap Busters
Joined: 07.01.2019

Sep 10 @ 4:03 PM ET
NCAA was postponed today I bet AHL soon to announce
- VANTEL


The two are not linked for reasons to cancel. Plus the AHL plan of action is linked to NHL one.
NuckUp
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cap Busters
Joined: 07.01.2019

Sep 10 @ 4:12 PM ET
Even at 5 million he’s not walking away from that, and he’s said as much to the media. He could be attractive to a cap floor team.
- Pacificgem



No he said he wants to keep playing in the NHL over retiring. Having made around $60M losing a couple to still play is worth it for him.

If its only about $, as you say, Canucks could do a consulting retirement deal like Panthers did for Luongo to save cap.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 10 @ 4:32 PM ET
The two are not linked for reasons to cancel. Plus the AHL plan of action is linked to NHL one.
- NuckUp


Not every AHL team is owned by a NHL team . Utica is not owned by Canucks so they might tell their plyers like Jasek Boucher Hoglander Goldobin to sign overseas . Oh they already did that?
NuckUp
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cap Busters
Joined: 07.01.2019

Sep 10 @ 5:42 PM ET
Not every AHL team is owned by a NHL team . Utica is not owned by Canucks so they might tell their plyers like Jasek Boucher Hoglander Goldobin to sign overseas . Oh they already did that?
- VANTEL





Sorry Canucks own Comets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utica_Comets


Also, Boucher and Goldy were not being re-singed. Hogs has out clause to stay in SHL if he doesn't make the Canucks. So no that's not what they did.

As far as those few AHL teams not owned by NHL clubs either they get part of the funding or they suspend operations and NHL contracted players dispersed among the remaining teams.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Sep 10 @ 7:05 PM ET
RIP Mrs Peel . Who of the older guys remembers Diana Rigg growing up?
- VANTEL


She was hot in game of thrones!
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Sep 10 @ 7:06 PM ET
wouldnt say rebuild but they are at a crossroads and could retool with assets at their highest and go for playoffs 2-3 years down the road. in a flat cap world huberdeau could fetch a ton

2 of their top four will be 35 next year and both hoffman and dadnov are ufas. they obviously have cap space to resign guys but tallon did a poop job building their roster

- johnnykarate

Ya it’s very true their back end is old in the tooth with the exception of matheson and Ekblad. That part of the roster needs work, but they aren’t far off imo, certainly not years away.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Sep 10 @ 7:08 PM ET
JB said aside from our own UFA's he's staying out of the market this year, electing to promote from within.
- VanHockeyGuy


He did say that but if he fails to sign his UFA's and has limited success in trading, I imagine he'll look at the market.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Sep 10 @ 7:12 PM ET
No he said he wants to keep playing in the NHL over retiring. Having made around $60M losing a couple to still play is worth it for him.

If its only about $, as you say, Canucks could do a consulting retirement deal like Panthers did for Luongo to save cap.

- NuckUp

It’s a job and he’s thinking about the rest of his life and retirement. Why wouldn’t it be about money?!
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 10 @ 7:13 PM ET
She was hot in game of thrones!

- boonerbuck



Perv
SlightlyOffside
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Ajax, ON
Joined: 01.25.2016

Sep 10 @ 7:27 PM ET


MTA baby.... read it and weep

- NuckUp


Joking aside...If an MTA *were* to be negotiated with LE...wouldn’t that trigger a cap recapture penalty?
NuckUp
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cap Busters
Joined: 07.01.2019

Sep 10 @ 7:45 PM ET
Joking aside...If an MTA *were* to be negotiated with LE...wouldn’t that trigger a cap recapture penalty?
- SlightlyOffside



No. It was only a 6 year deal. So under the CBA then and now newer one its recapture penalty proof.
NuckUp
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cap Busters
Joined: 07.01.2019

Sep 10 @ 7:56 PM ET
It’s a job and he’s thinking about the rest of his life and retirement. Why wouldn’t it be about money?!
- neem55



Depends on his motivation cause its also a lifestyle. So if he loves to stay in the NHL he'll have to take a shave after getting so much for not producing.

Otherwise as said, take the retirement package and cash out if its about $ and rest of his life.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Sep 10 @ 8:12 PM ET
Depends on his motivation cause its also a lifestyle. So if he loves to stay in the NHL he'll have to take a shave after getting so much for not producing.

Otherwise as said, take the retirement package and cash out if its about $ and rest of his life.

- NuckUp

He gets more if he just stays though?! Im confused. It’s his last big contract, he’s got a family. I just don’t see it. But hey, you’ll be the biggest i told you so ever on here haha. Im not so sure enough is ever enough for millionaires.
Load Management
Season Ticket Holder
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Billings Spit, BC
Joined: 09.22.2019

Sep 10 @ 8:18 PM ET
NuckUp
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cap Busters
Joined: 07.01.2019

Sep 10 @ 8:30 PM ET
He gets more if he just stays though?! Im confused. It’s his last big contract, he’s got a family. I just don’t see it. But hey, you’ll be the biggest i told you so ever on here haha
- neem55


Why do you think they paid all that $$$ up front? Perhaps to set up a retirement or MTA scenario. You got two issues here. Player wants $$$ pay him a consulting fee/contract (Luongo type deal) to retire. Player wants to keep playing in NHL and like Bogosian takes the cut to stay in the game.

I never brag about all the other things I got right. So if this one does come out, since its really an out of box scenario, maybe you get a smile.

Of course, they could still try AGAIN to trade him. But what if say the Sens pass. Is there really any one left in flat cap NHL?
SlightlyOffside
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Ajax, ON
Joined: 01.25.2016

Sep 10 @ 8:39 PM ET
Why do you think they paid all that $$$ up front? Perhaps to set up a retirement or MTA scenario. You got two issues here. Player wants $$$ pay him a consulting fee/contract (Luongo type deal) to retire. Player wants to keep playing in NHL and like Bogosian takes the cut to stay in the game.

I never brag about all the other things I got right so if this one does come out since its really an out of box scenario maybe you get a smile.

Of course, they could still try AGAIN to trade him. But what if say the Sens pass. Is there really any one left in flat cap NHL?

- NuckUp


For fun...

Could they retain $1M in salary for the next two seasons in a trade with Ottawa, who would then get a $5M cap hit “for free” for 2020-2021 and only have $3M owing for the final season (or a $2M buyout)?

Sens get “an NHL player” for no cost next year, a $5M boost up to the cap floor, and the ‘Nucks get the offsetting $5M cap savings (I presume the $1M real money retained counts against the cap?).
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