Thats true, but then you gain more assets back that can be used for drafts or to increase the prospect pool. Also, trading away someone like Kerfoot isnt a big deal to me.

That capital you would have to trade to get Parayko would be large and would hurt the roster deeper IMO. Again, I dont think it's even possible to get Pietro, hell resign.
- Archaic

I think the blues are up against the cap so it would have to be a cost friendly player going there with draft picks probably.

I think Pietro makes them better alone then any two of the rest of the free agents. Trades drain assets as well and weaken the team in other areas, but Parayko would be perfect

Welp, I guess the one thing we all agree on is to go furiously after Taylor Hall right? right?

- Archaic

There's plenty of capable free agents if the leafs don't want to trade assets. And again, if they make a trade, I am hoping that it is someone young that will fit into the core for years to come. I don't mind them trading assets for a Manson/Parayko/Severson/Ekblad.

I have a deep, deep fear that the Canucks are going to come after him hard in free agency.
- Atomic Wedgie

They could still have cap issues as well.

There's plenty of capable free agents if the leafs don't want to trade assets. And again, if they make a trade, I am hoping that it is someone young that will fit into the core for years to come. I don't mind them trading assets for a Manson/Parayko/Severson/Ekblad.
- matt1337

minimal assets for manson.
Willie for manson is simply an overpayment from the leafs and nuts to even suggest imo.

There's plenty of capable free agents if the leafs don't want to trade assets. And again, if they make a trade, I am hoping that it is someone young that will fit into the core for years to come. I don't mind them trading assets for a Manson/Parayko/Severson/Ekblad.
- matt1337

I agree with your sentiment, but I dont know why people keep mentioning Manson he's 28, and quite franky hasnt been good for a couple years now. No way I trade anything good for him.

Ekblad costs 7.5M per year and is no where close in production to that cost. I agere with Parayko/Severson though. Solid players.

minimal assets for manson.
Willie for manson is simply an overpayment from the leafs and nuts to even suggest imo.
- Fakepartofme

Agreed. I dont even think id do AJ for Manson honestly. Im not high on him. This would a buy low scenario.

this has been the most disappointing and least entertaining Leafs season for last 15 years to me.
bad roster decisions (Kadri out, Barrie and Kerfoot in (both not interesting at all) and Ceci in) and just a meh style of play.
I guess if you are interested in 'player x gets so many points!' it's interesting, but it's been a very very mediocre season in my view..
- MaximusAurelius

The Ballard era says hi

Agreed. I dont even think id do AJ for Manson honestly. Im not high on him. This would a buy low scenario.
- Archaic

ducks are a bad team. makes everyone look bad.

i have no idea if manson's decline is overstated or not; whether he's one of the crap players or if the crap players are bringing him down.

i'd still easily throw something better than just johnsson at him.

Every defenseman sucks on the Leafs

Every defenseman is overrated and probably sucks that isn't on the Leafs

Let's improve the defense by...sucking our own turgid Richards.

Every defenseman sucks on the Leafs

Every defenseman is overrated and probably sucks that isn't on the Leafs

Let's improve the defense by...sucking our own turgid Richards.
- AdamFrench

That's your solution to everything.

Well Adam I regret to inform you that global warming is still a problem no matter how much you try to fix it.

Every defenseman sucks on the Leafs

Every defenseman is overrated and probably sucks that isn't on the Leafs

Let's improve the defense by...sucking our own turgid Richards.
- AdamFrench

I’ve been trying that method for 5 years. Always come up short.

minimal assets for manson.
Willie for manson is simply an overpayment from the leafs and nuts to even suggest imo.
- Fakepartofme

we paid a late 1st and a couple of okay prospects for muzzin.

my guess is manson would cost something similar; if he's even available.

That's your solution to everything.

Well Adam I regret to inform you that global warming is still a problem no matter how much you try to fix it.
- TheMussel

Team defense is key.

I agree with your sentiment, but I dont know why people keep mentioning Manson he's 28, and quite franky hasnt been good for a couple years now. No way I trade anything good for him.

Ekblad costs 7.5M per year and is no where close in production to that cost. I agere with Parayko/Severson though. Solid players.
- Archaic

didn't realize Manson was so old. I thought he was 26.

For Ekblad, maybe you can convince Florida to hold 1.5 million(he is signed until 2024-2025). Yes, production might not be there but overall his defensive play and leadership would be great to have. Please, he is only 24, generally scores 10+ goals and had 41pts in 67 games this year (that's a 50pt pace over an 82 game season).

we paid a late 1st and a couple of okay prospects for muzzin.

my guess is manson would cost something similar; if he's even available.
- Tumbleweed

A Ducks fan on CapFriendly Armchair GM suggested Liljegren, SDA and a 4th for Manson.

Every defenseman sucks on the Leafs

Every defenseman is overrated and probably sucks that isn't on the Leafs

Let's improve the defense by...sucking our own turgid Richards.
- AdamFrench

So true, everyone has a reason not to want a guy. Honestly, anyone is an improvement over Ceci(hot potatoe with the puck)/Marincin(hot potatoe with the puck)/Barrie(terrible defensively).

didn't realize Manson was so old. I thought he was 26.

For Ekblad, maybe you can convince Florida to hold 1.5 million(he is signed until 2024-2025). Yes, production might not be there but overall his defensive play and leadership would be great to have. Please, he is only 24, generally scores 10+ goals and had 41pts in 67 games this year (that's a 50pt pace over an 82 game season).
- matt1337

Josh manson became trade bait over the last two years. People started giving up on Dermott at age 22

didn't realize Manson was so old. I thought he was 26.

For Ekblad, maybe you can convince Florida to hold 1.5 million(he is signed until 2024-2025). Yes, production might not be there but overall his defensive play and leadership would be great to have. Please, he is only 24, generally scores 10+ goals and had 41pts in 67 games this year (that's a 50pt pace over an 82 game season).
- matt1337

I have a feeling that the biggest UFA Dubas will sign is Sami Vatanen.

Josh manson became trade bait over the last two years. People started giving up on Dermott at age 22
- TheMussel

Manson hasn't been the same the past few years, so maybe that's why his name is out there.

With Dermott, it's not that he is bad, it's just that with Rielly, Muzin and Sandin on the left side, Dermott may be expendable now. I think he is too good to be a 7th d-man

The Ballard era says hi
- Zezel

Lolol. No kidding..

A Ducks fan on CapFriendly Armchair GM suggested Liljegren, SDA and a 4th for Manson.
- Steven_Seagull

Seems reasonable.
So probably not realistic

on the right side whats better 2, 4 mil D or one for 8?

APiet/Holl/Lehtonen
Manson/Weeger/Holl

Manson hasn't been the same the past few years, so maybe that's why his name is out there.

With Dermott, it's not that he is bad, it's just that with Rielly, Muzin and Sandin on the left side, Dermott may be expendable now. I think he is too good to be a 7th d-man
- PatC80

if we bring someone in to run the PP, then rielly is expendable imo. he sucks on the pk.

better off ditching him if keefe plans on using him the same way.

Screwing around on Forbes Hockey Evaluation, came across this beauty:

Leafs' estimated gate receipts for 2018-19: $97M

Florida Panthers' estimated gate receipts for 2018-19: $17M

It's a pretty interesting read, as you can get a very superficial idea of where teams stand if there are no gate receipts.

Leafs would make a small profit.

Florida would lose $40M.

Although that's without factoring in concession revenues, which I imagine would also be huge for Toronto.

I'm just trying to come up with out of the box thinking. Maybe it's not finding a partner for Rielly that's the issue, maybe it's Rielly? Also, there's no indication he will be cheaper than AP.

I'd also be content with Rielly staying and adding in a couple depth guys. Dermott can be moved I think and I believe he's the odd man out at this point.
- Aaron_85

Rielly might be the best D in the NHL at driving play...mediocre at D.

Does a good partner make that a top pairing in the NHL?

Screwing around on Forbes Hockey Evaluation, came across this beauty:

Leafs' estimated gate receipts for 2018-19: $97M

Florida Panthers' estimated gate receipts for 2018-19: $17M

It's a pretty interesting read, as you can get a very superficial idea of where teams stand if there are no gate receipts.

Leafs would make a small profit.

Florida would lose $40M.

Although that's without factoring in concession revenues, which I imagine would also be huge for Toronto.
- Atomic Wedgie

Florida and ARZ are going to gut their team this off season.

Would not be shocked to see an Ekblad or Barkov moved.