Can he?

Sandin cant play LD and RD on the third pairing for starters.

Secondly I want the best possible player to be in that 2PP role. Not giving it to a 19 year old by default...Not a recipe for success at all.
- Santo_44

how many times have the leafs had guys come overseas and leave after 10 games? or stick around and be useless?

We will hopefully still acquire (trade or sign) 2 defence for the right side. With Holl, that side is full. Sandin showed he is capable of running the pp.

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- Atomic Wedgie

That's a groupon from a decade ago.

I get your point though. Last I could find you could get season tickets in the nosebleeds for $7 per game.

Can he?

Sandin cant play LD and RD on the third pairing for starters.

Secondly I want the best possible player to be in that 2PP role. Not giving it to a 19 year old by default...Not a recipe for success at all.
- Santo_44

If he can’t, Lehtonen will. If Lehtonen can’t, somebody else will. They’re both under $1M. If we want to fill holes in a flat cap world either move one of the big 4 or promote cheap talent from within.

how many times have the leafs had guys come overseas and leave after 10 games? or stick around and be useless?

We will hopefully still acquire (trade or sign) 2 defence for the right side. With Holl, that side is full. Sandin showed he is capable of running the pp.
- matt1337

same (frank)ing thing everyone says every single time.

Completely ignores when they bring in NHL players in Mikheyev and Zaitzev.

925K. Talented player.

Really all that needs to be said.

If he can’t, Lehtonen will. If Lehtonen can’t, somebody else will. They’re both under $1M. If we want to fill holes in a flat cap world either move one of the big 4 or promote cheap talent from within.
- Canada Cup

Exactly.

Sick of people thinking we can put all our hopes on a 19 year old.

same (frank)ing thing everyone says every single time.

Completely ignores when they bring in NHL players in Mikheyev and Zaitzev.

925K. Talented player.

Really all that needs to be said.
- Santo_44

I never said he isn't talented, but the guys they brought were also talented. I would like to see him play in North America before I pencil his in on the 2nd PP

Without Barrie the Leafs will have a hole on the 2nd PP unit.

Leafs "need" cheap players that can outperform their contracts due to their cap situation.

Leafs "need" Lehtonen to be able to be an NHL player. He isn't the solution to the Rielly pairing and who cares. He is making under a M.
- Santo_44

To be fair, even with Barrie they had a hole on the PP.

I agree the Leafs need cheaper contracts but hoping a guy takes a discount or a 30+ year old signing for league minimum, may not be the best solution.

Leafs "need" to get at least 2 RHD this offseason

how many times have the leafs had guys come overseas and leave after 10 games? or stick around and be useless?

We will hopefully still acquire (trade or sign) 2 defence for the right side. With Holl, that side is full. Sandin showed he is capable of running the pp.
- matt1337

Except there may not be money for 2 if they are interested in other upgrades. Lehtonen specifically signed a one year, no bonus contract. He wants to play in the NHL.

Exactly.

Sick of people thinking we can put all our hopes on a 19 year old.
- Santo_44

We've seen Sandin do it already and how people here complained when they put Marincin in over Sandin. He has been playing in North America for 3 years and is used to the smaller ice surface. Lehtonen might not be used to that and won't has as much time as he does overseas.

I never said he isn't talented, but the guys they brought were also talented. I would like to see him play in North America before I pencil his in on the 2nd PP
- matt1337

Let's not kid ourselves.. As good as Lehtonen has been in Europe, he's been facing goalies that are equal to game 7 Freddie Andersen

Except there may not be money for 2 if they are interested in other upgrades. Lehtonen specifically signed a one year, no bonus contract. He wants to play in the NHL.
- Canada Cup

What other upgrades? I don't think they will spend more on their goalies if they move Freddie and to fill out the bottom 6 they are going to find cheap guys. Move out Johnsson and maybe Kerfoot, then you have plenty of space to add 2 guys.

That's a groupon from a decade ago.

I get your point though. Last I could find you could get season tickets in the nosebleeds for $7 per game.
- BINGO!

Yeah, it's only $45 now

Let's not kid ourselves.. As good as Lehtonen has been in Europe, he's been facing goalies that are equal to game 7 Freddie Andersen
- PatC80

Plus bigger surface, more room, and less contact

I never said he isn't talented, but the guys they brought were also talented. I would like to see him play in North America before I pencil his in on the 2nd PP
- matt1337

He’s as safe bet as Sandin being an NHLer this year and everyone is penciling him in.

We've seen Sandin do it already and how people here complained when they put Marincin in over Sandin. He has been playing in North America for 3 years and is used to the smaller ice surface. Lehtonen might not be used to that and won't has as much time as he does overseas.
- matt1337

Sandin looked completely outmatched aside from a 7-8 game stretch.

He’s not a guarantee this season.

He’s as safe bet as Sandin being an NHLer this year and everyone is penciling him in.
- Santo_44

At least Sandin has played NHL games.

To be fair, even with Barrie they had a hole on the PP.

I agree the Leafs need cheaper contracts but hoping a guy takes a discount or a 30+ year old signing for league minimum, may not be the best solution.

Leafs "need" to get at least 2 RHD this offseason
- PatC80

the leafs were 2nd, 2nd & 8th in pp% the 3 years before barrie.

rielly has proved to be more than capable of being a pp QB.

What other upgrades? I don't think they will spend more on their goalies if they move Freddie and to fill out the bottom 6 they are going to find cheap guys. Move out Johnsson and maybe Kerfoot, then you have plenty of space to add 2 guys.
- matt1337

The Leafs need to revamp their bottom 6.. I would like them to target guys like Jake Virtanen, Brandon Tanev, Wayne Simmonds. Also, they need to ice a competent shutdown line, so adding some other forwards that can play solid defensively, would be nice..
Kapanen couldn't play a shutdown role, so he's gone.. Johnsson is not a shutdown guy either, I think he should be moved as well. Kerfoot is solid defensively, but gets pushed off the puck rather easily at times

Sandin looked completely outmatched aside from a 7-8 game stretch.

He’s not a guarantee this season.
- Santo_44

Pair him up with someone who won't let teams take runs at him and he'll be fine.

At least Sandin has played NHL games.
- matt1337

That’s great.

Lehtonen has played pro hockey for 8 years.

No matter how you play it you can’t pencil either player in but they are both cheap contracts that will absolutely be in the conversation.

the leafs were 2nd, 2nd & 8th in pp% the 3 years before barrie.

rielly has proved to be more than capable of being a pp QB.
- Tumbleweed

I think if Rielly could implement the slap shot when on a PP, that would be really helpful. Barrie was a threat to shoot, Rielly isn't.. Hopefully, he can

That’s great.

Lehtonen has played pro hockey for 8 years.

No matter how you play it you can’t pencil either player in but they are both cheap contracts that will absolutely be in the conversation.
- Santo_44

So did other guys before we brought them over, or over teams brought them over.

I think if Rielly could implement the slap shot when on a PP, that would be really helpful. Barrie was a threat to shoot, Rielly isn't.. Hopefully, he can
- PatC80

Agreed, I hope he is working on it right now.

Flyers fans don't want to.


- Aetherial

Take back JVR also

Plus bigger surface, more room, and less contact
- matt1337

6 KHL teams play on North America sized rinks and 11 play on Finnish which are a hybrid.