I think Voracek needs to understand that playing well defensively leads to more offense, not less offense. His quote seems to indicate that he doesn't think he can produce well offensively if he improves and plays well defensively.
- MJL

I don’t agree that it equates to more points, across the board our top guys sacrificed points G/ Coots / Jake and our team as a whole played a better overall game. TK went up but he was a young guy on the come up. Look at Barzal, on pace for 70 ish but the isles play a great two way game, he certainly could have cheated and had 80/90.

Wow thats a great response. Excellent comparison. Kudos to you
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They didn’t win anything though and kept getting early exits, by your methodology they should have been traded.

They didn’t win anything though and kept getting early exits, by your methodology they should have been traded.
- ClaudeFather

yep you got me. If you cant figure out why OVY would never be traded dont know what to tell you. A hint it isnt just hockey reasons.

Cassidy IMO was the least deserving of the three finalists.

Stacked lineup from top to bottom, playing in a relatively weak division. That team could win without a coach.

From a purely entertainment aspect I hope the keep the holy trinity together.
Frost ends up being a complete bust. Resign Hagg for 3 years at 2.2 per.
Then resign Couterier to an 8 year deal worth 9.5 per.
Then resign Clode for 2 years at 5 per.

A puck moving defenseman, who can replace Gostisbehere. If you can get more than that, great. Trade Gostisbehere for a big, physical winger, or sign Tyler Toffoli. It won't be an easy job for Fletcher this offseason. He has some big decisions to make, and work to do. The team has a lot of promising, young talent, but several big holes in their lineup to fill.
- CupOnBroadSt.

How good of a puck moving defenseman and what is that defenseman going to cost cap wise. Are we signing Hoffman or Toffoli? For either, what is the term and how does that effect the Flyers cap wise when young players such as Hart, Myers and others hopefully develop and need to be signed to long term deal?

That promising young talent is who should fill the holes in the lineup. Not with overspending in free agency for players that aren't worth it.

yep you got me. If you cant figure out why OVY would never be traded dont know what to tell you. A hint it isnt just hockey reasons.
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It was your asinine comments that made the capitals fit into the trading, give it a rest, it’s the same thing every day.

From a purely entertainment aspect I hope the keep the holy trinity together.
Frost ends up being a complete bust. Resign Hagg for 3 years at 2.2 per.
Then resign Couterier to an 8 year deal worth 9.5 per.
Then resign Clode for 2 years at 5 per.
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OK, then. So you aren't here to add anything to a conversation. You are here to troll.

How good of a puck moving defenseman and what is that defenseman going to cost cap wise. Are we signing Hoffman or Toffoli? For either, what is the term and how does that effect the Flyers cap wise when young players such as Hart, Myers and others hopefully develop and need to be signed to long term deal?

That promising young talent is who should fill the holes in the lineup. Not with overspending in free agency for players that aren't worth it.
- MJL

lol

OK, then. So you aren't here to add anything to a conversation. You are here to troll.
- bmeltzer

Not at all Bill. Lighten up. Get a sense of humor. Have added plenty to the conversation.

Cassidy IMO was the least deserving of the three finalists.

Stacked lineup from top to bottom, playing in a relatively weak division. That team could win without a coach.
- MBFlyerfan

Totally agree, his team went to the cup last year and lost no significant players. Where were the bruins expected to finish? Flyers were written off by most and expected to miss playoffs.

I don’t agree that it equates to more points, across the board our top guys sacrificed points G/ Coots / Jake and our team as a whole played a better overall game. TK went up but he was a young guy on the come up. Look at Barzal, on pace for 70 ish but the isles play a great two way game, he certainly could have cheated and had 80/90.
- ClaudeFather

There is no question that becoming a better defensive player and a better defensive team leads to more puck possession and more offensive opportunity.

It was your asinine comments that made the capitals fit into the trading, give it a rest, it’s the same thing every day.
- ClaudeFather

You give it a rest. If you dont like hockey conversation go elsewhere. Bring a topic to the table.

There is no question that becoming a better defensive player and a better defensive team leads to more puck possession and more offensive opportunity.
- MJL

I think it leads to winning hockey games and reducing scoring chances against. Being a better defensive player could be dumping the puck in and giving up possession instead of trying to force a play as well.

You give it a rest. If you dont like hockey conversation go elsewhere. Bring a topic to the table.
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I’m having hockey discussions with others, if you’d like to tear down the team maybe you should apply for a role in management and let them know.

I’m having hockey discussions with others, if you’d like to tear down the team maybe you should apply for a role in management and let them know.
- ClaudeFather

Tear down the team. Good lord.

I think it leads to winning hockey games and reducing scoring chances against. Being a better defensive player could be dumping the puck in and giving up possession instead of trying to force a play as well.
- ClaudeFather

Certainly puck management is a big part of being a good player and a good team. Do you think forcing a play leads to more offense? I think it does but not for your team.

How good of a puck moving defenseman and what is that defenseman going to cost cap wise. Are we signing Hoffman or Toffoli? For either, what is the term and how does that effect the Flyers cap wise when young players such as Hart, Myers and others hopefully develop and need to be signed to long term deal?

That promising young talent is who should fill the holes in the lineup. Not with overspending in free agency for players that aren't worth it.
- MJL

I would sign Toffoli. He fills more of a need for them, because of his physicality and strength on the puck. He's also younger than Hoffman. Maybe a 3 or 4 year deal. They should take care of Hart first, and he will get a big raise, undoubtedly. Myers can be signed later on. Myers is not as important, although certainly he is important to sign. I'm thinking Myers gets 3 years, 3 or 3 and a half mil per.

giroux could turn out to be a great older assist specialist a la joe thorton or adam oates (not philly years) if he had a bonafide goal scorer on his line and not a "try to skate through 4 guys" assist-getting jake voracek. they are a round hole/square peg.

a team who needs a good playmaker could use jake. calgary maybe?

no one wants jvr or giroux anyway, you'll get the most for jake. i just think jake is content with the way things are. he's chatty but i don't see the drive.

Certainly puck management is a big part of being a good player and a good team. Do you think forcing a play leads to more offense? I think it does but not for your team.
- MJL

It certainly won’t every time but it can, and it would also be detrimental to the team. I just think that a better defensive game won’t directly correlate to more points, it will create more wins which was shown in this years team.

I would sign Toffoli. He fills more of a need for them, because of his physicality and strength on the puck. He's also younger than Hoffman. Maybe a 3 or 4 year deal. They should take care of Hart first, and he will get a big raise, undoubtedly. Myers can be signed later on. Myers is not as important, although certainly he is important to sign. I'm thinking Myers gets 3 years, 3 or 3 and a half mil per.
- CupOnBroadSt.

So here is where we get to the silly season. Where a top UFA forward is going to sign a 3 or 4 year deal. What salary is Tofolli going to command?

Still haven't answer the question about the puck moving defenseman.

So here is where we get to the silly season. Where a top UFA forward is going to sign a 3 or 4 year deal. What salary is Tofolli going to command?
- MJL

Three years, at least 15 mil for Toffoli, wherever he goes. Just a wild guess. He played pretty well for the Canucks. There's a more than decent chance they keep him IMO, but as a Flyer fan, I hope they don't.

Three years, at least 15 mil for Toffoli, wherever he goes. Just a wild guess. He played pretty well for the Canucks. There's a more than decent chance they keep him IMO, but as a Flyer fan, I hope they don't.
- CupOnBroadSt.

So Toffoli is going to sign a UFA contract for 3 years and for 5M a year? Thanks, you've told me everything I need to know.

If you want to trade Jake, fine, but propose a reasonable trade that make sense for both teams.

No team is gonna give you a 1st or quality young players for a very good, but not great, aging RW with 4 years left at 8.25 million per.

So again, what’s the deal? Are you trading him for a Dman. Ok, are you ok with either going 4/4/1 in the ED or losing one of your top 4 D instead? A sniper, a guy who routinely scores 35+ goals each year. Again, who has that guy and is willing to deal him for Jake?

There is a reason that these type of deals rarely happen in this cap era. They are hard deals to make. Could Voracek get dealt? It’s possible, but it’s highly unlikely.

So here is where we get to the silly season. Where a top UFA forward is going to sign a 3 or 4 year deal. What salary is Tofolli going to command?

Still haven't answer the question about the puck moving defenseman.
- MJL

I don't know, really. I'm guessing maybe either try and package Voracek for one, or sign TJ Brodie. His last contract was 4.65 mil per year, so I don't know if they'd want to invest that kind of money or not that they would need to, in him.