I'm just going to wait for the announcement that the Flyers have signed Toffoli to a 3 year deal for 5M a year.
- MJL

FWIW Evolving Hockey predicts Toffoli gets 6 mil x 7 if he does not sign with Vancouver. This seems about right to me in a normal year. However this year I think UFAs other than the top handful will see less length or term. There may be some “bargains” out there but I don’t think this is the direction the Flyers go.

Get outta here with your logic and reason. I prefer EA NHL 21 GM's and their trade proposals.

- MBFlyerfan

LOL

That is not what I said in any way. What I said was that is one type of deal you may be looking at if you trade jake. But hey dont let the facts get into the way
- login

Well, I don't see much difference, because that "type" of deal is silly.

Here is the problem with Voracek's quote. He is wrong in my opinion in thinking that he can't produce well offensively if he plays well defensively.
- MJL

Exactly. The idea is that improving your defensive play should lead to more offense for the team. It's troubling that he'd react that way.

I think it could be as simple as just putting Giroux and Voracek on different lines.

OK, then. So you aren't here to add anything to a conversation. You are here to troll.
- bmeltzer

Not just the best writer on this site!

All I saw was he had a down year compared to his normal self. So he had a down year and he’s in decline? Guys can’t bounce back? He’s a strong two way defensemen who eats minutes. And a good PP QB (assuming Ghost is traded) and plays the PK. Braun is gone, Nisky is likely gone the next year. You’d have OEL as your vet moving forward and as a partner for Provy. Jesus man there you go again acting like the mighty powerful decider of everything lol. Take it easy once and while. OEL’s deal is 3 years longer than Jake and salary cap will absolutely go up by then. You’re acting like this deal is so absurd which it’s not. Since you’re some genius, let’s hear a Jake Voracek deal from you. You seem to have such an amazing pulse on trades and players, so please share
- arichardson22

Apples to Apples, i'd always rather have a top pairing Dman than a RW. If OEL was Right handed, that's something i'd LOVE to have for the next half decade with Provy.

All I saw was he had a down year compared to his normal self. So he had a down year and he’s in decline? Guys can’t bounce back? He’s a strong two way defensemen who eats minutes. And a good PP QB (assuming Ghost is traded) and plays the PK. Braun is gone, Nisky is likely gone the next year. You’d have OEL as your vet moving forward and as a partner for Provy. Jesus man there you go again acting like the mighty powerful decider of everything lol. Take it easy once and while. OEL’s deal is 3 years longer than Jake and salary cap will absolutely go up by then. You’re acting like this deal is so absurd which it’s not. Since you’re some genius, let’s hear a Jake Voracek deal from you. You seem to have such an amazing pulse on trades and players, so please share
- arichardson22

Actually it's you who has to take it easy as you go off the deep end every time someone points out why your "hypothetical" trade proposals are shot down and the flaws are pointed out. It is absurd. Why do we want to tie up the cap with a 8+M cap hit deal with 7 years remaining on it for a player who has been in decline when we have the young defenseman in the pipeline and currently on the team? You don't have to be the mighty powerful decider of everything and a genius to see that. You're giving me too much credit here. LOL

Jack Adams voting was a joke. Just seeing Torts at such a distant 3rd shows how ridiculous it was.

My ballot:
1. Torts
2. AV
3. Cassidy
- five4fighting10

That is what I expected the final vote to look like. Torts (who I have never liked) did more with less. I was sure he was going to win.

Actually it's you who has to take it easy as you go off the deep end every time someone points out why your "hypothetical" trade proposals are shot down and the flaws are pointed out. It is absurd. Why do we want to tie up the cap with a 8+M cap hit deal with 7 years remaining on it for a player who has been in decline when we have the young defenseman in the pipeline and currently on the team? You don't have to be the mighty powerful decider of everything and a genius to see that. You're giving me too much credit here. LOL
- MJL

To be fair....i don't really think OEL is in decline. He had 2 amazing goal scoring seasons but has been pretty steady 10-15 goal scoring, puck moving, top pairing damn. He tracks to be that way for a while. Dmen who play his style age pretty well and this contract takes him pretty much to the age of Jake's (who, for arguments' sake, plays a position and style that breaks down a bit faster).

Actually it's you who has to take it easy as you go off the deep end every time someone points out why your "hypothetical" trade proposals are shot down and the flaws are pointed out. It is absurd. Why do we want to tie up the cap with a 8+M cap hit deal with 7 years remaining on it for a player who has been in decline when we have the young defenseman in the pipeline and currently on the team? You don't have to be the mighty powerful decider of everything and a genius to see that. You're giving me too much credit here. LOL
- MJL

I’m not in any “deep end”. It was a hypothetical trade that worked cap wise since all week people have said to move Jake you need likely a player with cap and term coming back. Last I checked, top pairing dmen cost 7-8M per year. Bigge mentioned someone come up with an actual deal, as well as mentioning a dman. You’re the only one saying he’s in decline lol. He had a down year. His numbers are consistent other than this past season. You ignored the fact I said I don’t want to trade Sanheim or Myers, As well as me saying that these hypothetical trades show the difficultly of moving a player like Jake. Serious question what do you get out of being such a cock for literally no reason? You give yourself too much credit regularly. Where’s your Jake trade ?

To be fair....i don't really think OEL is in decline. He had 2 amazing goal scoring seasons but has been pretty steady 10-15 goal scoring, puck moving, top pairing damn. He tracks to be that way for a while. Dmen who play his style age pretty well and this contract takes him pretty much to the age of Jake's (who, for arguments' sake, plays a position and style that breaks down a bit faster).
- Wingdestroyer

OEL's contract is until 26/27
Voracek's contract is until 23/24

OEL's numbers dropped sharply and I've seen some reports that so has his overall play. There's no reason for the Flyers to get involved in that contract with the players they have in the pipeline. It doesn't make sense.

I’m not in any “deep end”. It was a hypothetical trade that worked cap wise since all week people have said to move Jake you need likely a player with cap and term coming back. Last I checked, top pairing dmen cost 7-8M per year. Bigge mentioned someone come up with an actual deal, as well as mentioning a dman. You’re the only one saying he’s in decline lol. He had a down year. His numbers are consistent other than this past season. You ignored the fact I said I don’t want to trade Sanheim or Myers, As well as me saying that these hypothetical trades show the difficultly of moving a player like Jake. Serious question what do you get out of being such a cock for literally no reason? You give yourself too much credit regularly. Where’s your Jake trade ?
- arichardson22

I didn't ignore anything from your post. I keep forgetting that these proposals of yours are just hypothetical, rendering them immune from criticism. Again, with your last comments, you are going off the deep end while telling others they need to calm down! I'm actually being nice about it.

Well, I don't see much difference, because that "type" of deal is silly.
- MBFlyerfan

well if you don't see a difference in saying the flyers should trade jake for parise
as opposed to saying that is the type of deal that may be available if jake is moved then I cant help you.

OEL's contract is until 26/27
Voracek's contract is until 23/24

OEL's numbers have been dropping sharply and I've seen some reports that so has his overall play. There's no reason for the Flyers to get involved in that contract with the players they have in the pipeline. It doesn't make sense.
- MJL

Yeah, and OEL is a couple years younger soooo...

Also, Hot Take:

Neither Myers or Sanheim will ever be OEL. Maybe York becomes something close? Even so, that's 2 years away from being even remotely possible (and 2 more years of wasting Carter Hart being good NOW).

I'm not saying i think trading OEL for Jake is a great idea or we should do it, but it's not far fetched or as obviously stupid as you are trying to make it seem.

Not just the best writer on this site!
- Stanley Cup

well someone has to be the "best"

well someone has to be the "best"
- login

and it ain't you.

Yeah, and OEL is a couple years younger soooo...

Also, Hot Take:

Neither Myers or Sanheim will ever be OEL. Maybe York becomes something close? Even so, that's 2 years away from being even remotely possible (and 2 more years of wasting Carter Hart being good NOW).

I'm not saying i think trading OEL for Jake is a great idea or we should do it, but it's not far fetched or as obviously stupid as you are trying to make it seem.
- Wingdestroyer

You don't know what Myers or Sanheim will be ultimately. Neither do I but they both have strong potential. It's stupid to take on that contract. I'm not making it seem to be. It is.

and it ain't you.
- Doc_Sarcasm

I am visibly upset now. How hurtful.

You don't know what Myers or Sanheim will be ultimately. Neither do I but they both have strong potential. It's stupid to take on that contract. I'm not making it seem to be. It is.
- MJL

You are making yourself out to be a "know it all", but you knew that already (AAYOO!).

Sanheim and Myers have potential and them being what Oliver Ekman-Larrsson-Smith-Perry is are two different statements. I 100% think they have potential and should grow into a powerhouse 2nd pairing that will help the Flyers greatly in the future.

Provarov is a first pairing Dman. OEL is one too. The high end ones cost how much OEL is getting paid. If he was a RD and we could have 5 years of that pair, you pay for it.

Fletcher concedes Patrick headaches "could be connected" to concussion. Last year, he said docs had ruled that out.

Fletcher says with a flat salary cap for a few years "anything we do will be in a 2-3 year window." He doesn't expect to be a major player in FA.

letcher: We'd all love another goal scorer. The top guys didn't produce, but they had a lot of zone time, shot share and expected goal numbers were good, they just couldn't seem to score. Gotta be careful sometimes of putting too much into any 13 game sample size.

You are making yourself out to be a "know it all", but you knew that already (AAYOO!).

Sanheim and Myers have potential and them being what Oliver Ekman-Larrsson-Smith-Perry is are two different statements. I 100% think they have potential and should grow into a powerhouse 2nd pairing that will help the Flyers greatly in the future.

Provarov is a first pairing Dman. OEL is one too. The high end ones cost how much OEL is getting paid. If he was a RD and we could have 5 years of that pair, you pay for it.
- Wingdestroyer

Again, it would be stupid for the Flyers to take on that contract. Doesn't take a know it all. Just takes common sense.

Once again you fail to say the full story.
- login

I did?

what about a parise for jake swap to get the conversation started. does either team entertain it at all? think parise has 5 years left
- login

I did?
- Ftown19125

yes or no

Again, it would be stupid for the Flyers to take on that contract. Doesn't take a know it all. Just takes common sense.
- MJL

But i just made sense of it....how could that be possible?

22 and I will just chalk this one up for a W, old man.