I did not say 62 million, but Florida guaranteed are cutting budget.
- RogerRoeper

a rielly trade / sign krug scenario seems a little tempting to me. maybe in a package deal with andersen.

but i think the better play is to keep rielly long-term and pass on krug.
- Tumbleweed

I like the idea of getting Krug, but I think he'll get over $6M per season..
A Muzzin-Krug pairing would be nice.

I think they could get Krug and still keep Rielly, but it won't be easy.

What does this even mean Roger ??

And, if you are referring to a $70 cap.. how would you possibly know this?
- bixll

There's an article on TSN by Seravalli talking about this. A lot of teams are talking about low 70's for salary caps.

A lot of the teams you didn't think would have money problems are also not paying bonuses to hockey ops staff and 20% cuts across the board.

TRade Andersen for a 2nd rounder, trade for Kuemper. *if* Pietrangelo signs in St.Louis, trade for Colton Paryko. As a backup, make a pitch to Florida to get Ekblad. Offer the 1st rounder, Lilljegren or even Sandin if you have to. Sign Spezza and Simmons. Trade jonsson. Trade for Hossa and Kesler for LTIR
- RogerRoeper

Yes, St. Louis is going to sign AP and then trade away their next or arguably top d-man when they can move Faulk out instead. Who cares if he signed a new deal with the team, he's now cost controlled by any interested team.

Majority of NHL are slashing their budgets. Even teams like Boston and Pttsburgh are repotedly doing it.

THere are 3-5 teams that can afford a 81.5 cap and that's about it.
- RogerRoeper

I don't think this is going to be as much of an advantage to the Leafs as we would like to think.

If the vast majority of teams are going to be cutting budgets, it's going to be a huge drag on player salaries for free agents.

And the other thing is the Leafs have no cap room, so I don't see how it helps them to sign Pieterangelo. If other teams are cutting budgets, it makes it nearly impossible for the Leafs to shed enough cap hit. Yeah, maybe Andersen, but you still need to replace him with a #1 or at least#1A goalie.

And that's even if we have a season. I think it's foolhardy to even make predictions right now.

It's better to not assume anything we know very little about.
- Scabeh

Meh, more fun this way...

This was we can assume Florida and Arizona will fold.. The Leafs will get Keller, Weegar and Ekblad, and we'll all be happy...

Yes, St. Louis is going to sign AP and then trade away their next or arguably top d-man when they can move Faulk out instead. Who cares if he signed a new deal with the team, he's now cost controlled by any interested team.
- Aaron_85

Can they?

I don't think this is going to be as much of an advantage to the Leafs as we would like to think.

If the vast majority of teams are going to be cutting budgets, it's going to be a huge drag on player salaries for free agents.

And the other thing is the Leafs have no cap room, so I don't see how it helps them to sign Pieterangelo. If other teams are cutting budgets, it makes it nearly impossible for the Leafs to shed enough cap hit. Yeah, maybe Andersen, but you still need to replace him with a #1 or at least#1A goalie.

And that's even if we have a season. I think it's foolhardy to even make predictions right now.
- Atomic Wedgie

I never said anything about Pietrangelo. I don't think the Leafs should even bother.
Many of Leaf players make significantly less than their cap hits. This is attract many more teams just do to this. It makes trades easier and they can exploit teams struggling. That's why I brought up Darcy Kumper.

TRade Andersen for a 2nd rounder, trade for Kuemper. *if* Pietrangelo signs in St.Louis, trade for Colton Paryko. As a backup, make a pitch to Florida to get Ekblad. Offer the 1st rounder, Lilljegren or even Sandin if you have to. Sign Spezza and Simmons. Trade jonsson. Trade for Hossa and Kesler for LTIR
- RogerRoeper

How does LTIR help us?

I don't think this is going to be as much of an advantage to the Leafs as we would like to think.

If the vast majority of teams are going to be cutting budgets, it's going to be a huge drag on player salaries for free agents.

And the other thing is the Leafs have no cap room, so I don't see how it helps them to sign Pieterangelo. If other teams are cutting budgets, it makes it nearly impossible for the Leafs to shed enough cap hit. Yeah, maybe Andersen, but you still need to replace him with a #1 or at least#1A goalie.

And that's even if we have a season. I think it's foolhardy to even make predictions right now.
- Atomic Wedgie

I do think there will be a season, starting in Jan 2021, but that could just be me being hopeful.

I do think other teams shedding salary actually helps the Leafs.. Dubas, Pridham and Co. handed out signing bonuses to a lot of players, which makes them easier to move.
Johnsson for Dumba would be a good trade, if Minnesota needed to shed salary

How does LTIR help us?
- Garnie

It helped us last year already. It allows you to go over the cap if you manage it correctly.

I also mentioned clearing Jonsson's cap hit.

Can they?
- RogerRoeper

Why not?

It helped us last year already. It allows you to go over the cap if you manage it correctly.

I also mentioned clearing Jonsson's cap hit.
- RogerRoeper

I don’t see how it helps except during the off-season maybe?

Serious question.

You can still only spend 81 on players that can play

- Scabeh

You got very dramatic and said 62. The point is many teams that hit close to the 81.5 cap and will closer to 70-75 now. And the focus will be about salary not cap hit.


Does anyone expect Arizona to hit 81.5 again? They are not paying meal money.

I don’t see how it helps except during the off-season maybe?

Serious question.

You can still only spend 81 on players that can play
- Garnie

Jonsson and acquiring Kumper/moving Freddy is over 5 million in cap savings. And I have no interest in Pietrangelo. Paryko's cap hit is pretty low.,

Yes. That's what we know.

Stick to that.

Not the "according to my calculations, the florida panthers will have a 62M cap next season if the owner doesn't want to sell some of his investment in real estate" bullpoop.
- Scabeh

My guess is that the Kapanen deal is the prototype where Leafs get something of a premium. It’s pretty much impossible to quantify how much that premium is without knowing how much they liked the guy to begin with and how hard Dubas pushed for the extras that were part if that deal.

It’s easy to get carried away (ahem) with much of an advantage this provides without assessing the real hockey elements of a trade. Certainly it’s a bonus but not the driver.

TRade Andersen for a 2nd rounder, trade for Kuemper. *if* Pietrangelo signs in St.Louis, trade for Colton Paryko. As a backup, make a pitch to Florida to get Ekblad. Offer the 1st rounder, Lilljegren or even Sandin if you have to. Sign Spezza and Simmons. Trade jonsson. Trade for Hossa and Kesler for LTIR
- RogerRoeper

Does the team pay the players salary if they are on LTIR or does the insurance company pay it? I thought that the leafs were able to trade for Horton's contract because it was uninsured and CBJ couldn't afford to pay someone who wasn't playing for them. That is why they took Clarkson. Are the contracts for Hossa and Kesler uninsured? Or does anyone know more on how this works?

My guess is that the Kapanen deal is the prototype where Leafs get something of a premium. It’s pretty much impossible to quantify how much that premium is without knowing how much they liked the guy to begin with and how hard Dubas pushed for the extras that were part if that deal.

It’s easy to get carried away (ahem) with much of an advantage this provides without assessing the real hockey elements of a trade. Certainly it’s a bonus but not the driver.
- Canada Cup

While everyone mentioned Kapanen's "Good" 3.2 cap hit. It was his 1.8 salary that excited the Pens and increased his value.

Jonsson and acquiring Kumper/moving Freddy is over 5 million in cap savings. And I have no interest in Pietrangelo. Paryko's cap hit is pretty low.,
- RogerRoeper

I’m not talking about any of that, I have no idea how trading for players that can’t play and putting them on LTIR helps during the reg season?

Does the team pay the players salary if they are on LTIR or does the insurance company pay it? I thought that the leafs were able to trade for Horton's contract because it was uninsured and CBJ couldn't afford to pay someone who wasn't playing for them. That is why they took Clarkson. Are the contracts for Hossa and Kesler uninsured? Or does anyone know more on how this works?
- matt1337

Clarkson’s was insured I think.

I’m not talking about any of that, I have no idea how trading for players that can’t play and putting them on LTIR helps during the reg season?
- Garnie

Gives us some cap relief some how.

Does the team pay the players salary if they are on LTIR or does the insurance company pay it? I thought that the leafs were able to trade for Horton's contract because it was uninsured and CBJ couldn't afford to pay someone who wasn't playing for them. That is why they took Clarkson. Are the contracts for Hossa and Kesler uninsured? Or does anyone know more on how this works?
- matt1337

It depends on the player.

IIRC, Hossa and Kesler are insured - no way Coyotes would take on Hossa's contract if they were paying actual dollars.

The only one I think wasn't insured was Horton.

Does the team pay the players salary if they are on LTIR or does the insurance company pay it? I thought that the leafs were able to trade for Horton's contract because it was uninsured and CBJ couldn't afford to pay someone who wasn't playing for them. That is why they took Clarkson. Are the contracts for Hossa and Kesler uninsured? Or does anyone know more on how this works?
- matt1337

I think in Hortopn's case, Leafs paid 100%. I believe Columbus made the unbelievable decision to sign Horton without insurance. Every other player insurance usually covers 80%+

I don't think this is going to be as much of an advantage to the Leafs as we would like to think.

If the vast majority of teams are going to be cutting budgets, it's going to be a huge drag on player salaries for free agents.

And the other thing is the Leafs have no cap room, so I don't see how it helps them to sign Pieterangelo. If other teams are cutting budgets, it makes it nearly impossible for the Leafs to shed enough cap hit. Yeah, maybe Andersen, but you still need to replace him with a #1 or at least#1A goalie.

And that's even if we have a season. I think it's foolhardy to even make predictions right now.
- Atomic Wedgie

We only have speculation at this time. Predictions are fine but I think it's foolhardy to have expectations.

While everyone mentioned Kapanen's "Good" 3.2 cap hit. It was his 1.8 salary that excited the Pens and increased his value.
- RogerRoeper

Yes Roger, that’s the point and that’s why he brought back somewhat more than he would have simply on a hockey basis. That extra is the “real salary dollar premium” Leafs can expect when making trades of guys in similar positions. It provides some benefits at the margins. Good to get and it all helps the Leafs make moves to shed players to generate some cap space.