Yeah I agree, it really is obvious that having such an unproductive 3rd line isn't working, all it'd take is to drop Lowry down to the 4th line and the problem is solved, Harkins-Copp-Roslo would be a decent line, I'm sure it'd be fine defensively.

I see there's another comment about how important Lowry's size is and yeah I don't deny that but there's plenty of big enough 4C's that could be acquired for peanuts and they make considerably less then Lowry, also I really don't get this idea that we need some huge, physical center, why not just a couple bigger physical wingers on the 4th line? Guys like that should be cheap and easy to get.
- JetFuel

Harkins-Copp-Roslovic would be an excellent 3rd line. Harkins can shoot, Copp can create, and Roslovic can attack the line with speed only Ehlers and Connor can match. All 3 are quick, defensively responsible, and annoying along the walls.
The problem with it is that there’s still a hole in the top 6, and Copp deserves an extended look in that spot. The dude was possibly the best PK guy in the league last year. Everything about him screams top 6 besides his shot.

As for Lowry, there’s no guarantee you can sign a proper replacement at that price tag. Nor would it make sense to try and trade away pieces for something you already have.
Just keep Lowry, wait for the inevitable bounce back, and solve the bigger problems (add a centre, and don’t sign AHL dmen to play where the kids should be) before creating new problems that don’t exist.

If he doesn’t bounce back, it’s one year to free agency. Our 4C won’t be the reason we don’t win a cup, but another performance like the play-in round from Lowry *on top of a proper lineup* might put us over the top.

Harkins-Copp-Roslovic would be an excellent 3rd line. Harkins can shoot, Copp can create, and Roslovic can attack the line with speed only Ehlers and Connor can match. All 3 are quick, defensively responsible, and annoying along the walls.
The problem with it is that there’s still a hole in the top 6, and Copp deserves an extended look in that spot. The dude was possibly the best PK guy in the league last year. Everything about him screams top 6 besides his shot.

As for Lowry, there’s no guarantee you can sign a proper replacement at that price tag. Nor would it make sense to try and trade away pieces for something you already have.
Just keep Lowry, wait for the inevitable bounce back, and solve the bigger problems (add a centre, and don’t sign AHL dmen to play where the kids should be) before creating new problems that don’t exist.

If he doesn’t bounce back, it’s one year to free agency. Our 4C won’t be the reason we don’t win a cup, but another performance like the play-in round from Lowry *on top of a proper lineup* might put us over the top.
- Rexypoo

The fact that you are talking top 6, bottom 6, just goes to show how much of Paul Maurice philosophy Jets fans have bought into.

Championship teams talk top 9, bottom 3. None of this top 6 garbage.

Furthermore, Lowry is a replacement level player. His closest comparable according to Hockey Reference is Marcus Foligno. Heck Nik Shore did Lowry's job at a fraction of the salary.

Catching up time:
Jets do not have anyone that can replace Lowry - a big physical center. If you trade him, you will need to replace what he brings to the table.
Copp makes for a good #3 center at best.
Wheeler for Dumba - NO WAY !
Brossoit for # 2 goalie for one more season.
Comrie is not an NHL Goalie.
Logan Stanley was a mistake. Every team makes draft mistakes. Let's move on !
Time to trade Niku, while he still may have some value.
Maurice has to work with the players that Chevy has given him. I don't think that this team has the talent or mix to go much further than they have gone.
Koivu is past his best before date.
- bennythehat[/quote/

Agree with pretty well everything you say here. You do say that Koivu is past his best before date. Very true, but aren't almost all the available UFA centres in the same boat?

Glad to see the Islanders get knocked out last night as now maybe we can start wheeling dealing with them.

See the Isles and the Bolts as our most likely trading partners, although, of course, there certainly others.

#2C? Certainly with the Bolts in deep cap trouble, Cirelli would be at the top of my wish list. But they are not going to want players back with salary so who do you give up? Maybe they will taker a Harkins/Appleton/Niku or Vesalainen, or plus a 2nd rd pick? Whatever, I think there is a deal to be made here.

With the Isles in cap hell having, what about $8 mill to re-sign Barzal and Pulock, plus others, might Pulock be enticed out of New York? Once again they are not going to want big salary back - and may want to include Cizikas or Clutterbuck in deal.

Cirelli, Pulock and E. Cernak to our Jets = hockey heaven for moi!

[quote=bennythehat]Catching up time:
Jets do not have anyone that can replace Lowry - a big physical center. If you trade him, you will need to replace what he brings to the table.
Copp makes for a good #3 center at best.
Wheeler for Dumba - NO WAY !
Brossoit for # 2 goalie for one more season.
Comrie is not an NHL Goalie.
Logan Stanley was a mistake. Every team makes draft mistakes. Let's move on !
Time to trade Niku, while he still may have some value.
Maurice has to work with the players that Chevy has given him. I don't think that this team has the talent or mix to go much further than they have gone.
Koivu is past his best before date.
- grahamzky[/quote/

Agree with pretty well everything you say here. You do say that Koivu is past his best before date. Very true, but aren't almost all the available UFA centres in the same boat?

Glad to see the Islanders get knocked out last night as now maybe we can start wheeling dealing with them.

See the Isles and the Bolts as our most likely trading partners, although, of course, there certainly others.

#2C? Certainly with the Bolts in deep cap trouble, Cirelli would be at the top of my wish list. But they are not going to want players back with salary so who do you give up? Maybe they will taker a Harkins/Appleton/Niku or Vesalainen, or plus a 2nd rd pick? Whatever, I think there is a deal to be made here.

With the Isles in cap hell having, what about $8 mill to re-sign Barzal and Pulock, plus others, might Pulock be enticed out of New York? Once again they are not going to want big salary back - and may want to include Cizikas or Clutterbuck in deal.

Cirelli, Pulock and E. Cernak to our Jets = hockey heaven for moi!

I am glad that you have dreams. But let’s face it, past performance is a great indicator of future performance.

Chevy is not going to do anything this offseason. Rather he will give his standard answer that he has tried to do things, but the price of doing business was too high.

Chevelallseasonoff big move this offseason will most likely be to re-sign Bitteto.

I am glad that you have dreams. But let’s face it, past performance is a great indicator of future performance.

Chevy is not going to do anything this offseason. Rather he will give his standard answer that he has tried to do things, but the price of doing business was too high.

Chevelallseasonoff big move this offseason will most likely be to re-sign Bitteto.
- TheUltimateJet

Never say never, my friend. Ya never know - opportunity may knock!
Don 't kill my hopes.

Never say never, my friend. Ya never know - opportunity may knock!
Don 't kill my hopes.
- grahamzky

Hopefully you are right! I do think this GM needs to make a bold move. It might require losing a fan favorite player, which I would be okay with, especially if it means that the product on the ice improves.

The most concerning thing about last season was the high availability of Jets tickets. The team was vastly superior to the one that relocated here in 2011 and yet was having challenges selling out. I think the fans are starting to demand more from management, which we all should. It's no longer good enough that we are just in the NHL.

The fact that you are talking top 6, bottom 6, just goes to show how much of Paul Maurice philosophy Jets fans have bought into.

Championship teams talk top 9, bottom 3. None of this top 6 garbage.
- TheUltimateJet

We have to play by the Maurice philosophy. He’s here for the length of his deal, at the very least.
Not that that matters, seeing as you’re clearly using “philosophy” as a straw man because you still don’t want Copp with anyone named Patrik, Nik, or Kyle

We have to play by the Maurice philosophy. He’s here for the length of his deal, at the very least.
Not that that matters, seeing as you’re clearly using “philosophy” as a straw man because you still don’t want Copp with anyone named Patrik, Nik, or Kyle
- Rexypoo

That's because I would want my offence spaced out. It may be surprising to lots of Jets fans but great teams have three lines that can score. And, no way does Andrew increase the offences for the players mentioned.

And, furthermore you just exemplify the point why both Ehlers and Laine should be traded. Maurice clearly has no idea how to coach either and as such we should just give Maurice the team he wants. Both players value will continue to drop as long as we have good ol Paul behind the bench.

That's because I would want my offence spaced out. It may be surprising to lots of Jets fans but great teams have three lines that can score. And, no way does Andrew increase the offences for the players mentioned.

And, furthermore you just exemplify the point why both Ehlers and Laine should be traded. Maurice clearly has no idea how to coach either and as such we should just give Maurice the team he wants. Both players value will continue to drop as long as we have good ol Paul behind the bench.
- TheUltimateJet

If you ignore the fact that we know Copp actually does increase the offensive output from all of Scheifele, Connor, Ehlers, Laine, and especially Wheeler... you’re right

If you ignore the fact that we know Copp actually does increase the offensive output from all of Scheifele, Connor, Ehlers, Laine, and especially Wheeler... you’re right
- Rexypoo

Yes his career best 28 points exacerbate that point!

We have to play by the Maurice philosophy. He’s here for the length of his deal, at the very least.
Not that that matters, seeing as you’re clearly using “philosophy” as a straw man because you still don’t want Copp with anyone named Patrik, Nik, or Kyle
- Rexypoo

i hope not! I mean if the Jets were to miss the playoffs next year somebody has to pay the price don't they?

i hope not! I mean if the Jets were to miss the playoffs next year somebody has to pay the price don't they?
- BWJumper

You would think so but I doubt there's change coming until Maurice's contract is up at the earliest.

I think ownership really likes Maurice and let's face it, this is a small market team so I doubt they're going to want to pay Maurice not to be coach and there's been some major losses on the backend which they'll still be able to use as a reason next season should they miss the playoffs.

I think Maurice will be the Jets head coach for the duration of his current contract at least.

Yes his career best 28 points exacerbate that point!
- TheUltimateJet

Ah, yes, this total points number for Andrew Copp in one season will surely be reflective of his impact on other unmentioned players he does not often play with! I have done the smart

Ah, yes, this total points number for Andrew Copp in one season will surely be reflective of his impact on other unmentioned players he does not often play with! I have done the smart
- Rexypoo

Show me a stat where it says that the players you mention score more when he is on the ice with them and I will eat crow. You will not be able to provide me with one, because none exist.

i hope not! I mean if the Jets were to miss the playoffs next year somebody has to pay the price don't they?
- BWJumper

It will be Chevy getting fired first. Rumour has it he wasn’t the one who extended Maurice at all

Show me a stat where it says that the players you mention score more when he is on the ice with them and I will eat crow. You will not be able to provide me with one, because none exist.
- TheUltimateJet

Dude, look up anything from any time frame where he was on one of the top two lines.
His first stint with Scheifele and Wheeler was insane. There’s literally enough evidence here that you would have to try and avoid it to not know

Dude, look up anything from any time frame where he was on one of the top two lines.
His first stint with Scheifele and Wheeler was insane. There’s literally enough evidence here that you would have to try and avoid it to not know
- Rexypoo

You have not shown me one stat and yet I am supposed to believe your eye test!

You have not shown me one stat and yet I am supposed to believe your eye test!
- TheUltimateJet

Meh. It’s annoying to link here. I also don’t care enough. I’ll shoot you an article or two in a twitter DM, but I’m not bothering with it here

Meh. It’s annoying to link here. I also don’t care enough. I’ll shoot you an article or two in a twitter DM, but I’m not bothering with it here
- Rexypoo

The guy I miss the most is Joel Armia, now that guy was a stud. Great penalty killer and he made players around him better. Wish we never got rid of that guy.

Ross - nice pick (Drysdale) ! If only !!

The guy I miss the most is Joel Armia, now that guy was a stud. Great penalty killer and he made players around him better. Wish we never got rid of that guy.
- TheUltimateJet

Totally agree, he's the best 3rd line winger in the league, what a bad trade that was!

Totally agree, he's the best 3rd line winger in the league, what a bad trade that was!
- JetFuel

He’s been flashy but average for Montreal. He’s a decent PK guy, but doesn’t move the needle at 5v5

Ross - nice pick (Drysdale) ! If only !!
- bennythehat

That was a terrible pick. The Jets need size on defense and Ross drafted a 5'11 173 pound guy.

That was a terrible pick. The Jets need size on defense and Ross drafted a 5'11 173 pound guy.
- BWJumper

Best player available. Always. Size and position do not matter.

Best player available. Always. Size and position do not matter.
- Rexypoo

Totally disagree, drafting for need is necessary at some point.