How is Fargo underrated?!
- mjones242

I’m confused. I don’t think it is. How about a Cool Hand Luke reference. We seem to have a failure to communicate.

You must have seen it. If not, do it.
- Byfuglien Ate Me

Nope but I will

You know how psychologists say the minute you say but...everything after that doesn’t matter...

Age absolutely factors into my assessment..

Older players get injured easier and more often although Petro has a very good track record of playing 78+ games a year..

Besides that those guys are better skaters.. More mobile and to my eyes play better defense all around...

Giving multiple years of big money to a guy that’s going to be 31 is not very good use of money in a flat cap World...

The Blues won the cup because of ROR & Bennington.. not Petro..
- dozerD10

Beggars can't be choosers and the Leafs are currently beggars. They need a legit top pair RHD and there are none available as good as Pietrangelo.

Was Pietrangelo the MVP on the Blues? No, maybe not but he doesn't need to be. He just needs to be what he already is; a guy who can eat 25+ minutes a night and give Rielly a defensively stable partner.

It's either that or trading for Doughty to get him out of the hell hole that has become LA / California both as a franchise and as a city.

He should at least consider signing with the Leafs.
- Steven_Seagull

Nah, he probably shouldn't unless they overpay him like they did with Tavares.

Odds are, the Blues will clear enough space to re-sign him as they have already been doing the past month.

Pietrangelo would take less to stay in St. Louis but he wouldn't take a penny less than he's worth to come to the Leafs. Even if they traded Nylander and Johnsson, they'd still be hard pressed to clear enough cap space to afford Pietrangelo and sign everybody else.

Nah, he probably shouldn't unless they overpay him like they did with Tavares.

Odds are, the Blues will clear enough space to re-sign him as they have already been doing the past month.

Pietrangelo would take less to stay in St. Louis but he wouldn't take a penny less than he's worth to come to the Leafs. Even if they traded Nylander and Johnsson, they'd still be hard pressed to clear enough cap space to afford Pietrangelo and sign everybody else.
- JohnFergusonJr

I hope he signs then we trade for Paryko

I hope he signs then we trade for Paryko
- RogerRoeper

You think St. Louis won a Cup by being that stupid? If they're keeping Pietrangelo, they're keeping Parayko too.

What would you prefer? Pietro, or 2/3 a new right side? What if those 2/3 are Tanev and Gudas? You could probably get them both for less than AP.

You think St. Louis won a Cup by being that stupid? If they're keeping Pietrangelo, they're keeping Parayko too.
- JohnFergusonJr

I think they are plenty stupid. That Faulk acquisition and contract was one of the mind-boggling moves the past few years by any team. And Faulk isn't easy to move. He really blows.

What would you prefer? Pietro, or 2/3 a new right side? What if those 2/3 are Tanev and Gudas? You could probably get them both for less than AP.
- leafsfann

Tanev and Gudas are garbage. They don't move the needle. They are the same as going with Ceci and Barrie. Another band-aid solution. They tried that multiple times and it hasn't worked.

The Leafs need a stud on defense and unfortunately Rielly isn't good enough (defensively) to get it done on his own. Every year the Leafs have to go through Tampa Bay and they have Hedman, McDonagh and Sergachev. If the Leafs can't match that, they're going to be the team that always gets bounced in the 1st / 2nd round.

I think they are plenty stupid. That Faulk acquisition and contract was one of the mind-boggling moves the past few years by any team. And Faulk isn't easy to move. He really blows.
- RogerRoeper

I didn't understand why the Blues signed Faulk to a long term deal. I've never been a fan of his.

I think they are plenty stupid. That Faulk acquisition and contract was one of the mind-boggling moves the past few years by any team. And Faulk isn't easy to move. He really blows.
- RogerRoeper

They have 5 million in cap space with Steen, Bozak and Perron making a combined 15 million. Even if they retained 50% of the salary on those 3 guys in salary dump trades, they'd open up 12.5 million in cap space to sign Pietrangelo.

They have to get creative, but they can get it done. It's a matter of what Pietrangelo signs for between 9-11 AAV.

Nylander
Engvall
mid draft pick

Petro

Thomas
Blias
1st

Blias adds physicality where Engvall brings the Blues speed.
- Santo_44

I'd be torn honestly on Petro's rights and Thomas for Nylander straight up. I may not do it depending on the time of day.

Thomas would be a 60-65 point center on the Leafs. Nylander is a more skilled player, but with the Blues lack of center depth in the past I'm not sure I do that. He has a shot at being their number one when O'Reilly is gone.

Blais is underrated, solid third liner with potential to be a second line winger.

So, I don't do this if I'm the Blues.

Also, Pietrangelo is a difficult case. I think he's not worth his contract in four-ish seasons, although he still will be an effective second pairing defender. He plays a very strong positional game and doesn't rely on speed or physicality, so I expect him to age pretty well. Still, I don't see his offense holding up and I'd be wary of spending 9 million on 30 points.

It's of course worth it in the short term if you win the cup and I'd absolutely do it if I'm the Leafs, but I'm not sure I'd do 8.5 for 8 if I'm the Blues.

I didn't understand why the Blues signed Faulk to a long term deal. I've never been a fan of his.
- gergeswillems

I wasn't a fan of that deal either but they figured, as did every other team, that the cap would go up 4 or 5 million a year and it wouldn't screw them up as badly as it does now.

I didn't understand why the Blues signed Faulk to a long term deal. I've never been a fan of his.
- gergeswillems

Without that contract they are fine keeping both now. I never got it. They had just won the cup. It was almost a move you do if you're sure Pietro is gone. The issue is they are working hard to sign him.

I'd be torn honestly on Petro's rights and Thomas for Nylander straight up. I may not do it depending on the time of day.
- charlest

Pietrangelo's rights aren't worth that. If he comes with an extension that's under 10 AAV, then maybe it's worth it.

Thomas would be a 60-65 point center on the Leafs. Nylander is a more skilled player, but with the Blues lack of center depth in the past I'm not sure I do that. He has a shot at being their number one when O'Reilly is gone.

Leafs don't need a center like Thomas, they already spend 21 million a year on their top two centers. No chance Thomas scores 60 points as a 3rd line center. Nylander himself is barely a 60 point player.

Blais is underrated, solid third liner with potential to be a second line winger.

So, I don't do this if I'm the Blues.

Also, Pietrangelo is a difficult case. I think he's not worth his contract in four-ish seasons, although he still will be an effective second pairing defender. He plays a very strong positional game and doesn't rely on speed or physicality, so I expect him to age pretty well. Still, I don't see his offense holding up and I'd be wary of spending 9 million on 30 points.

It's of course worth it in the short term if you win the cup and I'd absolutely do it if I'm the Leafs, but I'm not sure I'd do 8.5 for 8 if I'm the Blues.

Strong positional games lead to long careers. Chara is a freak of nature but when the Bruins first signed him he ate up 17% of the cap and I don't think they've ever regretted it. Top tier D like Pietrangelo and Doughty etc. age relatively well.

Chara was 29 when he signed 5 year deal with the Bruins worth 7.5M per. That was 17.05% of the Cap which equates to a 5 year-13.89M per season today. Bruins won a Cup in 2011, the final year of his contract. During the 2010-2011 season, he signed a 7 year extension that was 11.64% of the Cap or 9.49M today - he was 33 when he signed, 34 when the deal started.


Sign Pietrangelo please.

Pietrangelo's rights aren't worth that. If he comes with an extension that's under 10 AAV, then maybe it's worth it.



Leafs don't need a center like Thomas, they already spend 21 million a year on their top two centers. No chance Thomas scores 60 points as a 3rd line center. Nylander himself is barely a 60 point player.



Strong positional games lead to long careers. Chara is a freak of nature but when the Bruins first signed him he ate up 17% of the cap and I don't think they've ever regretted it. Top tier D like Pietrangelo and Doughty etc. age relatively well.
- JohnFergusonJr

Chara was 29 when he signed 5 year deal with the Bruins worth 7.5M per. That was 17.05% of the Cap which equates to a 5 year-13.89M per season today. Bruins won a Cup in 2011, the final year of his contract. During the 2010-2011 season, he signed a 7 year extension that was 11.64% of the Cap or 9.49M today - he was 33 when he signed, 34 when the deal started.


Sign Pietrangelo please.
- Steven_Seagull

Bye Nylander.

Bye Nylander.
- JohnFergusonJr

He will be missed. Until the Leafs win the Cup. Then he’d be forgotten like a thrown out lasagna.

Chara was 29 when he signed 5 year deal with the Bruins worth 7.5M per. That was 17.05% of the Cap which equates to a 5 year-13.89M per season today. Bruins won a Cup in 2011, the final year of his contract. During the 2010-2011 season, he signed a 7 year extension that was 11.64% of the Cap or 9.49M today - he was 33 when he signed, 34 when the deal started.


Sign Pietrangelo please.
- Steven_Seagull

Chara is a perfect Covid bubble player. He can crosscheck you in the teeth while still maintaining the 6 foot distance.

Chara was 29 when he signed 5 year deal with the Bruins worth 7.5M per. That was 17.05% of the Cap which equates to a 5 year-13.89M per season today. Bruins won a Cup in 2011, the final year of his contract. During the 2010-2011 season, he signed a 7 year extension that was 11.64% of the Cap or 9.49M today - he was 33 when he signed, 34 when the deal started.


Sign Pietrangelo please.
- Steven_Seagull

Chara is such an outlier though. What are the statistical chances he'll be anything like Chara through his mid to late 30's.

Chara is a perfect Covid bubble player. He can crosscheck you in the teeth while still maintaining the 6 foot distance.
- shack67

Chara is such an outlier though. What are the statistical chances he'll be anything like Chara through his mid to late 30's.
- RogerRoeper

1967/1

Chara is such an outlier though. What are the statistical chances he'll be anything like Chara through his mid to late 30's.
- RogerRoeper

Nah, he actually isn't. The majority of top tier D are still very effective up to and sometimes beyond 35.

Goal scoring tends to decline at 30 but defense usually is the same and sometimes better.

If the Leafs found it necessary to sign Tavares long term past 30, signing Pietrangelo is a no-brainer.

Josh Leivo would be an interesting player to get back.