That off-season before/during/just after start of training camp.
They indicated they were interested in getting a long term deal done before start - but if not, they would wait and not negotiate during season.
Marner was completely right to go for a no discount contract after that dubas snub
- MaximusAurelius

That's not confirming that number at all....

It's not true. No matter how many times Max says it.

Marner's agent himself said that he was not, at any point in time, gonna sign his contract until both Nylander and Matthews signed their deals.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Out of context. Those statements were after start of the training season - when dubas didn't want to close the deal, Marner and his agent decided to wait until Matthews would be signed (and wait until end of season).

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
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Asked by @sarah__mclellan
, MIN GM says he's spoken to agent for Alex Galchenyuk and it is unlikely the player will return. He also declines (as he has done repeatedly) to comment on Mikko Koivu's future.

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Would any of you take a flier on him for a year on the cheap?
- GreatGigInTheSky

Galchy or Koivu?

Yes, for cheapsies. Galchy for the wing.

Koivu for 3rd line C


Now that Cheeks Klapanen is gone the biggest hockey s/o drama is Flossin' Bonnie Marner

Need Galchy to bring in some of that crazy factor

That off-season before/during/just after start of training camp.
They indicated they were interested in getting a long term deal done before start - but if not, they would wait and not negotiate during season.
Marner was completely right to go for a no discount contract after that dubas snub
- MaximusAurelius

No matter what Dubas did - you would poop on him.

I guarantee you would have said Dubas overpaid Marner if he gave him 8+ million after two 60ish point seasons.

It's not true. No matter how many times Max says it.

Marner's agent himself said that he was not, at any point in time, gonna sign his contract until both Nylander and Matthews signed their deals.
- GreatGigInTheSky

This.. Marner's agent said he wanted to be the last to sign
No matter how many times Max says it, it's still not true.

That's not confirming that number at all....
- RogerRoeper

No way 9mln+ aav was on the table at the time.
Dubas gambled and lost 2.5mln in capspace with that move - thought he'd get Marner cheaper than 8-8.5 aav after that upcoming season.. Not really a vote of confidence

Out of context. Those statements were after start of the training season - when dubas didn't want to close the deal, Marner and his agent decided to wait until Matthews would be signed (and wait until end of season).
- MaximusAurelius

Right, those statements were after training camp, and they are accurate statements..

It would be nice if you could admit to being wrong, at least once.

No way 9mln+ aav was on the table at the time.
Dubas gambled and lost 2.5mln in capspace with that move - thought he'd get Marner cheaper than 8-8.5 aav after that upcoming season.. Not really a vote of confidence
- MaximusAurelius

Do you ever get tired of being silly?

Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
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14h
Asked by @sarah__mclellan
, MIN GM says he's spoken to agent for Alex Galchenyuk and it is unlikely the player will return. He also declines (as he has done repeatedly) to comment on Mikko Koivu's future.

_______________________

Would any of you take a flier on him for a year on the cheap?
- GreatGigInTheSky

You mean Galchenyuk?

No way it works unless Minny retains salary. We need less money on forwards, not more.

I will say I really wanted Galchenyuk at the 2012 draft. Glad he was taken and we ended up with Rielly in hindsight.

No matter what Dubas did - you would poop on him.

I guarantee you would have said Dubas overpaid Marner if he gave him 8+ million after two 60ish point seasons.
- Leafs43

Sure - that's why I have been saying since Marner draft year that he might be closer to McDavid than people think, and marner might be more valuable to leafs than Matthews...

You mean Galchenyuk?

No way it works unless Minny retains salary. We need less money on forwards, not more.

I will say I really wanted Galchenyuk at the 2012 draft. Glad he was taken and we ended up with Rielly in hindsight.
- Leafs43

Burkie was right all along

Sure - that's why I have been saying since Marner draft year that he might be closer to McDavid than people think, and marner might be more valuable to leafs than Matthews...
- MaximusAurelius

Sure - that's why I have been saying since Marner draft year that he might be closer to McDavid than people think, and marner might be more valuable to leafs than Matthews...
- MaximusAurelius

Would you, or would you not have deemed it a good contract if Marner had signed at 8.5 million after his first two seasons?

I am talking at the time. Not with the benefit of hindsight.

No way 9mln+ aav was on the table at the time.
Dubas gambled and lost 2.5mln in capspace with that move - thought he'd get Marner cheaper than 8-8.5 aav after that upcoming season.. Not really a vote of confidence
- MaximusAurelius

I really wish he got those rookie bonuses

That off-season before/during/just after start of training camp.
They indicated they were interested in getting a long term deal done before start - but if not, they would wait and not negotiate during season.
Marner was completely right to go for a no discount contract after that dubas snub
- MaximusAurelius

It was a negotiation. Both sides tried to get a deal done and it didn't happen. Marner's camp wasn't willing to sign some kind of discounted deal but I presume it would have cost less that summer given the year he went on to have.

Marner's camp had also indicated (referenced by those same talking heads) that he wasn't taking a 7/8 yr deal. He wanted 5 or maybe 6 all along. All the big RFA's were waiting for the market to be set and they all waiting until the 19' summer.

https://www.thestar.com/s...ct-has-costly-effect.html

You mean Galchenyuk?

No way it works unless Minny retains salary. We need less money on forwards, not more.

I will say I really wanted Galchenyuk at the 2012 draft. Glad he was taken and we ended up with Rielly in hindsight.
- Leafs43

Edit - You are clearly referring to Koivu. In which case, sure. I will basically accept any has been on the cheap.

for ref, Pronman had Leafs 4 also, and Habs 9
but diff criteria
- senstroll

Well Pronman had the Leafs at 4 but included Matthews with his criteria. So it made alot more sense.

For what it's worth, the guy from the article seems to know he's going "against popular opinion" so he shouldn't be surprised to have people laugh at some of his conclusions.

You mean Galchenyuk?

No way it works unless Minny retains salary. We need less money on forwards, not more.

I will say I really wanted Galchenyuk at the 2012 draft. Glad he was taken and we ended up with Rielly in hindsight.
- Leafs43

Fun fact.

I really wanted Galchenyuk too.

Would you, or would you not have deemed it a good contract if Marner had signed at 8.5 million after his first two seasons?

I am talking at the time. Not with the benefit of hindsight.
- Leafs43

There were discussions at the time on here on 'Nylander vs Marner'. People were suggesting 6.5-7.5 for Nylander (I thought less than 6 would be more appropriate) and up to 8mln for Marner (on a long term deal). 8.75mlnx8 I maybe would have called a slight overpayment, but we can back to those threads and I'm quite sure I said 'sign Marner now on a long term deal of around 8-8.5. So not an overpayment at all.
I have really really liked Marner as a player from the start on though, so surely some bias there.

Fun fact.

I really wanted Galchenyuk too.




- Scabeh

there was a lot of hype around him for sure

I don't think people give Dubas enough credit for the Nylander contract.

FFS, he took him to the final hour - he played chicken and won. It's a great contract.

I'm just puzzled why he didn't do the same for Marner.
- Atomic Wedgie

Circumstantial. I feel like given where the team was viewed contention wise (for some reason a lot of pundits felt the blueline took substantial jumps and that was the missing link), having already played the game with Nylander... The media fanbase ownership and everyone in between would have considered it unacceptable to have an opening day lineup without him in it.

The preferred option would have been to extend Marner at the lower number as our resident village idiot pointed out. However while he uses that as a torch to flame Dubas with, he has zero respect for how quickly he would have loaded an 8.5 per contract into the 'Dubas is an idiot' cannon for a kid who hadn't broken 70 points. Remember... This was at a time when Draisaitl and his 8.5 million per year was considered a not so great contract, yet we are totally expected to believe the pundits would have celebrated Dubas for giving Marner the same contract after two 69 point NHL seasons...

I blame Marner for that contract. He saw his situation and he made the decision to fold his hometown team over a barrel knowing was the difference between being rich and richer, and would restrict the team going forward.

Galchy or Koivu?

Yes, for cheapsies. Galchy for the wing.

Koivu for 3rd line C


Now that Cheeks Klapanen is gone the biggest hockey s/o drama is Flossin' Bonnie Marner

Need Galchy to bring in some of that crazy factor
- TheMussel

Maybe he can get them coked up enough to visit a corner.

Out of context. Those statements were after start of the training season - when dubas didn't want to close the deal, Marner and his agent decided to wait until Matthews would be signed (and wait until end of season).
- MaximusAurelius

When they were said is irrelevant because it's still factual that he was not, at all, under any circumstance, gonna ink his deal until after the others did.

That was the plan the entire time.

Galchy or Koivu?

Yes, for cheapsies. Galchy for the wing.

Koivu for 3rd line C


Now that Cheeks Klapanen is gone the biggest hockey s/o drama is Flossin' Bonnie Marner

Need Galchy to bring in some of that crazy factor
- TheMussel

I meant Galchenyuk.

Koivu will probably still want a decent amount of $$$.

This.. Marner's agent said he wanted to be the last to sign
No matter how many times Max says it, it's still not true.
- PatC80