So who exactly would Koivu replace? I can't see it as Koivu's game reflects his age and some hard miles.
- doktordave

4 goals baby.

i always love how everything in the headline is shot down by reality in the first few posts.
- SHOPLIFTER

It's pretty funny. There is no way in hell that Calgary is going to trade Gaudreau for Gostisbehere and JVR. NO way.

It's pretty funny. There is no way in hell that Calgary is going to trade Gaudreau for Gostisbehere and JVR. NO way.
- MJL

We'll throw in Nolan Patrick.

As a Flyers fan I would do JG for Ghost and JVR in a second.

As would the Flyers.

Question is, why would Calgary?
- MBFlyerfan

If you listen to Flyer fans, most would do this deal in a heartbeat. However, these were the same people bashing them endlessly. Many fans think health scratch means they are worth zero - very emotional... However, other teams seem to look at things without the emotion.

With JVR... He had pretty good shortened year. Believe it or not he had one more goal than JG during the regular season (19/18)... JVR was a +5, JG was -10. JG had more assists, but he saw more ice time on line one. JVR could not find his game in the playoffs (although, others didn't as well). JVR game just doesn't seem to fit AV's system - he did well as a leaf. His salary is similar to JG, that's basically a trade-off.

But, if you're going to "throw" in Ghost too... Flyer fans seem to be split, they either think he's a great player with a few bad luck streaks or garbage. Regardless, he's good on the PP - no one argues that. Ek is 100% correct that Ghost needs some new surroundings - I believe he'll never be more that a 3 liner and PP specialist. He is an improvement over many 3 line defensemen - somebody will take a gamble on him. Ghost salary is reasonable.

Besides... Johnny Gaudreau is signed only threw next year, a UFA.. Rumored and most likely going to the Flyers from what I've read. Calgary will get nothing if they don't trade him (doesn't have to be now). But they might as well get something out of the deal. Other teams won't give that much because the only one year and his desire to play with the Flyers...

To make the deal work, the Flyers throw a late round pick (3+ or higher) for the risk factor and maybe Calgary throws in a scrub to help balance Ghost's 4.5M.

If you listen to Flyer fans, most would do this deal in a heartbeat. However, these were the same people bashing them endlessly. Many fans think health scratch means they are worth zero - very emotional... However, other teams seem to look at things without the emotion.

With JVR... He had pretty good shortened year. Believe it or not he had one more goal than JG during the regular season (19/18)... JVR was a +5, JG was -10. JG had more assists, but he saw more ice time on line one. JVR could not find his game in the playoffs (although, others didn't as well). JVR game just doesn't seem to fit AV's system - he did well as a leaf. His salary is similar to JG, that's basically a trade-off.


- leon neon

Well, to be fair, you chose a down, shortened year for JG. Let's look at the last 5 years.

JG: 380 points in 383 games. Works out to 81+ points a season.
JVR: 233 points in 335 games. Works out to 57 points a season.

Well, to be fair, you chose a down, shortened year for JG. Let's look at the last 5 years.

JG: 380 points in 383 games. Works out to 81+ points a season.
JVR: 233 points in 335 games. Works out to 57 points a season.
- PT21

You have misconstrued what the poster is saying. I don't believe he is saying that Gadreau and JVR are equals as players.

The Finns love the Habs. True.





Saku, KK, Lehky, Army.....Aho.....Laine?

Our best player for two disappointing players philly is trying to get rid of?

Cool discussion.

The Finns love the Habs. True.





Saku, KK, Lehky, Army.....Aho.....Laine?











- Komisaurus Rex

Aho?

You have misconstrued what the poster is saying. I don't believe he is saying that Gadreau and JVR are equals as players.
- MJL

The original post, was a question, why would Calgary even consider it. I was merely looking at potential reasons. I hope, but am not delusional and know that there is a very small chance this deal gets done.

Correct... I don't think they are equal. Gadreau is obviously the better player, but they are very different types of players hard to even compare. We only have stats and what we've seen. My point was that JVR is not terrible, and actually exceeds JG in areas of stats. Our friend PT21, points out total points. I already conceded that JG has similar goal and more assists... And, that he has a lot more ice time, more PP time, and time on line one. But, let's look at goals, PT21 didn't mention goals. And, yes, sure we can look back at the last five years; JG had 126 goals over 383 games for a 0.329 goal per game... with 48 less games... JVR had 125 goals over 335 games for a 0.373 goal per game. This is a pretty strong track record for JVR scoring goals. Although, JVR goals may not be as pretty as JG goals. JVR got most of those in the trenches in front of the net, not a sniper of JG. I don't know what Calgary needs, but if its goals from a power forward in front of the net... And, if they can afford losing JG assists... Maybe JVR may be would work out for Calgary.

What happened to the Malkin to Chicago rumors ?
Also Doug Wilson always makes phone calls to show the owner he's actually doing something besides being in his tanning bed. SHARKS CAN'T AFFORD MALKIN & Who can they offer back to Pitts ?

What happened to the Malkin to Chicago rumors ?
Also Doug Wilson always makes phone calls to show the owner he's actually doing something besides being in his tanning bed. SHARKS CAN'T AFFORD MALKIN & Who can they offer back to Pitts ?
- Sharks77

Toews and Kane are still in Chicago so Malkin can't be The Man there.

The original post, was a question, why would Calgary even consider it. I was merely looking at potential reasons. I hope, but am not delusional and know that there is a very small chance this deal gets done.

Correct... I don't think they are equal. Gadreau is obviously the better player, but they are very different types of players hard to even compare. We only have stats and what we've seen. My point was that JVR is not terrible, and actually exceeds JG in areas of stats. Our friend PT21, points out total points. I already conceded that JG has similar goal and more assists... And, that he has a lot more ice time, more PP time, and time on line one. But, let's look at goals, PT21 didn't mention goals. And, yes, sure we can look back at the last five years; JG had 126 goals over 383 games for a 0.329 goal per game... with 48 less games... JVR had 125 goals over 335 games for a 0.373 goal per game. This is a pretty strong track record for JVR scoring goals. Although, JVR goals may not be as pretty as JG goals. JVR got most of those in the trenches in front of the net, not a sniper of JG. I don't know what Calgary needs, but if its goals from a power forward in front of the net... And, if they can afford losing JG assists... Maybe JVR may be would work out for Calgary.
- leon neon

You sound a tad confused and torn. You seem to be saying JG is better BUT BUT BUT....

JG is "obviously the better player" but they are "hard to even compare"? If it is hard to even compare, how is it obvious that JG is better?

And if it true that JG is better, why in the holy world would Flames do a deal for what you admit is obviously an inferior player and a guy who can't crack the lineup for our far from star-studded D?

Our best player for two disappointing players philly is trying to get rid of?

Cool discussion.
- LittleBroDougie

Question... If you can't resign him.. Do you trade him or potentially lose him to UFA?

If you're going to trade him... To who? And, why would they give you a good trade package for what's basically a rental play for next year? Ok, maybe a team who believes that they have a last shot at a cup before a rebuild, but that takes give up resources. Also, I could buy that another team may believe they can change his mind, but that is a big risk. I believe it fairly well known that JG wants to play in Philly. I would think Philly would do what the can to accommodate with a fair deal. All Philly needs to do is either wait to UFA, or trade for him now. Why would you risk losing a player for nothing?

Philly does seem to have the upper hand, since apparently JG wants to play here. I'm not saying the deal gets done with JVR and Ghost. But, there is reason for Calgary and Philly to talk.

You sound a tad confused and torn. You seem to be saying JG is better BUT BUT BUT....

JG is "obviously the better player" but they are "hard to even compare"? If it is hard to even compare, how is it obvious that JG is better?


- PT21

Actually you're the one who is confused. The poster elaborated on his opinion. What don't you understand. His point is that they're different kind of players. The play a different style and they score goals differently. It's really an obvious point. You mistakenly took it as saying that they are equals as players.

Aho?




- gergeswillems

Aho signed, he wanted to go to Montreal. Finns have a soft spot for Montreal because Saku and the city is very European.

Aho signed, he wanted to go to Montreal. Finns have a soft spot for Montreal because Saku and the city is very European.
- Komisaurus Rex

lmao

Aho signed, he wanted to go to Montreal. Finns have a soft spot for Montreal because Saku and the city is very European.
- Komisaurus Rex

You guys should have offered him 7 for 63.

You sound a tad confused and torn. You seem to be saying JG is better BUT BUT BUT....

JG is "obviously the better player" but they are "hard to even compare"? If it is hard to even compare, how is it obvious that JG is better?

And if it true that JG is better, why in the holy world would Flames do a deal for what you admit is obviously an inferior player and a guy who can't crack the lineup for our far from star-studded D?
- PT21

Of course there are "buts"... It depends on what the team (Flyers and Calgary) are looking for... I just pointed out some of the areas that JVR is better; Size, Goals (marginally). JG excels in other area playmaking, speed, shot, etc.... JG has a better all around game and one that I believe is more of what the Flyers need under AV system.

And, go back and re-read my original and following post. I explained why Calgary would trade. IF Calgary has no other choice. It would be stupid to lose him to UFA without getting anything in return. Other teams aren't going to trade much for an one year rental - where there is a good chance that he winds up with the Flyers anyway. If they don't trade him, as the year drags on, it could become an issue in the locker room, etc. His value will decrease as well.

If JVR and Ghost is not good enough... Why should the Flyers trade anything for him, if they will get him at the end of next year?

Aho signed, he wanted to go to Montreal. Finns have a soft spot for Montreal because Saku and the city is very European.
- Komisaurus Rex

Oh. I mean Aho.

I need a Red light. My Red Wings one wore out.
- gergeswillems

Red Light Racicot would look great in Detroit, I mean he could live up to his ruputation as Red Light very easily

Red Light Racicot would look great in Detroit, I mean he could live up to his ruputation as Red Light very easily
- joegreif17

Our goalies see more rubber than Jenna Jameson. We need multiple Red lights.

And, go back and re-read my original and following post. I explained why Calgary would trade. IF Calgary has no other choice. It would be stupid to lose him to UFA without getting anything in return. Other teams aren't going to trade much for an one year rental - where there is a good chance that he winds up with the Flyers anyway.
- leon neon

I am not sold on this thing about him coming to the Flyers anyway. First we have to shed $. Second I have yet to see the player who drops substantial $ just to come to his favorite team (nor one who wants to do the same for Euro vibes, btw). Third, I am not sure we need a smallish winger in our forward corps. Is he going to play wing on Frost's line with Bee?

Finally, taking on JVR and Ghost is probably a net negative with their contracts. So, letting him walk would be better for the Flames. And I am sure they can do better than letting him walk.

Our goalies see more rubber than Jenna Jameson. We need multiple Red lights.
- gergeswillems

only if youre talking about her WHO-HA mold