I think this is just the team undoing a mistake, and going back to a logo that should have never been changed in the first place.
- sensarmy_11

it absolutely was not a mistake to change the logo. The whole idea in them changing the logo in the first place was because merchandise didn't sell. I doubt going back will suddenly make sales boom.

Gally could be a great pick up for the sens. 2x2 years? Give the guy some top six minutes and a little job security? We have holes in the top six he can easily slide into. Wing or center. 2 mil is easily buried if he doesn't pan out. I think we go for it.

For you not down, I understand your view of Gals, I really do. However, I think it's certainly worth the risk he's 1-1.25m on a 1 YEAR DEAL ONLY!

A 3rd line of :

Alex Galchenyuk - Logan Brown - Anthony Duclair ....could really catch fire.

He could also move up and down the line up (maybe with Norris-Batherson)....maybe you move him center. Also on the PP.

Many would've thought Duclair was done, but look how well that turned out

Who's excited for the mailbag questions soon🤓

For you not down, I understand your view of Gals, I really do. However, I think it's certainly worth the risk he's 1-1.25m on a 1 YEAR DEAL ONLY!

A 3rd line of :

Alex Galchenyuk - Logan Brown - Anthony Duclair ....could really catch fire.

He could also move up and down the line up (maybe with Norris-Batherson)....maybe you move him center. Also on the PP.

Many would've thought Duclair was done, but look how well that turned out
- AlfieisKing

Duclair was 22 years old when we got him, Galchenyuk will be 27 this season. it's not really a comparable situation. Duclair was still a developing player who hadn't yet been given the right opportunity, Galchenyuk has been given every opportunity and he is what he is.

i'm not saying he's not worth the risk on a one year deal, just saying that you can't look at him the same way as Duclair.......completely different player and situation.

But I would love these.. I think sens for the 3rd jersey should be a nice burgundy 😉😉😉
- SENS-sational

Gotta ditch the lace up neck...

Gotta ditch the lace up neck...
- forbetterorWORSE

I like the tighter modern laced look


I also really like this logo, I think it would great on the brighter styled jersey's

I like the tighter modern laced look


I also really like this logo, I think it would great on the brighter styled jersey's

that is AWFUL, would easily be the worst logo/uniform in the league.

that is AWFUL, would easily be the worst logo/uniform in the league.
- sensarmy_11

We already have one of the worst logos in the league. That's why they changed it originally. Merch wasn't selling even when the team was doing well.

and now it's being brought back

We already have one of the worst logos in the league. That's why they changed it originally. Merch wasn't selling even when the team was doing well.

and now it's being brought back
- Maverick1818

that is infinitely worse than the 3d logo....it looks like cheap Atari graphics.

as for the 2D logo, I don't recall what sales were like back then, but with the amount of people excited about bringing it back, I have to imagine that sales will improve

that is infinitely worse than the 3d logo....it looks like cheap Atari graphics.

as for the 2D logo, I don't recall what sales were like back then, but with the amount of people excited about bringing it back, I have to imagine that sales will improve
- sensarmy_11

I doubt it, it might have a small spike but most people still have their original 2d jersey's... I still have my white one.

TheHockeyGuy on youtube talked about it the other day, about how the 2D logo was changed originally because even with the team doing well the sales were (I believe) the worse in the league.

Personally, I would rather the O logo or just create something new. I've said for a while that going back to an old logo makes no sense when we've never won anything. Going back for nostalgia purposes will only work for so long.

The team should get something new to rally around as they build into a new team identity

I doubt it, it might have a small spike but most people still have their original 2d jersey's... I still have my white one.

TheHockeyGuy on youtube talked about it the other day, about how the 2D logo was changed originally because even with the team doing well the sales were (I believe) the worse in the league.

Personally, I would rather the O logo or just create something new. I've said for a while that going back to an old logo makes no sense when we've never won anything. Going back for nostalgia purposes will only work for so long.

The team should get something new to rally around as they build into a new team identity
- Maverick1818

I support going back to the old logo. I mean most people under 25 probably don't have the old logo merch. Whole new generation of fans looking to get merch. They will likely buy. Even people over 25 will likely upgrade their jersey. People do that without logo changes.

I can understand people wanting something completely fresh though. That's a fair criticism. Especially, when the efforts to "update" the old logo were just changing a couple of lines from red to gold. May as well just use the old logo.

I thought the off-white O jersey worn at the outdoor game in Vancouver was a great jersey and underused.

I support going back to the old logo. I mean most people under 25 probably don't have the old logo merch. Whole new generation of fans looking to get merch. They will likely buy. Even people over 25 will likely upgrade their jersey. People do that without logo changes.

I can understand people wanting something completely fresh though. That's a fair criticism. Especially, when the efforts to "update" the old logo were just changing a couple of lines from red to gold. May as well just use the old logo.

I thought the off-white O jersey worn at the outdoor game in Vancouver was a great jersey and underused.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

I always hated the 2D logo, and the in between 3D logo with the black swoosh across the jersey, didn't like that at all.

I like the current one, I like the O logo. I even like the "Sens" one.

Just I just think it makes sense to go back if the old team had won a cup... But we didn't. The Sens don't really have a great history to look back on. We have a 1st pick over all bust, we have a Russian superstar in Yashin sitting out for a year for more money, we have a two time 50 goal scorer requesting a trade. and recently we just had a bunch of useless drama with Karlsson.

I think we're in the process of creating a new team identity we should create something to go along with that.

Just I just think it makes sense to go back if the old team had won a cup... But we didn't. The Sens don't really have a great history to look back on. We have a 1st pick over all bust, we have a Russian superstar in Yashin sitting out for a year for more money, we have a two time 50 goal scorer requesting a trade. and recently we just had a bunch of useless drama with Karlsson.

I think we're in the process of creating a new team identity we should create something to go along with that.
- Maverick1818

Pretty negative assessment of the team - as if other teams have nothing but wonderful things to look back on. The Senators are the only Canadian team to have made the Conference Finals 3 times in the past 20 years, are 1 of only 2 Canadian teams to have won a President's Trophy in the same time span, have the 3rd most regular season wins and 3rd most playoff years of any NHL team since 2000 (including the most of any Canadian team), and - unlike either Montreal or Toronto - have a Stanley Cup Finals appearance in the current century. It's easy to dwell on Yashin/Daigle/Heatley, but they've also had HOF-quality players like Hossa, Chara, Alfredsson, and Karlsson on the roster. There's been negative drama, but also stories like Bobby Ryan's Masterson Trophy, Craig Anderson's wife battling cancer, and Roger Nielson's final year of coaching. Not to mention a slew of memorable player moments like Pageau's 4G break-outs, the Hamburgler's run, and Conn Smythe-quality performances from both Alfredsson (2007) and Karlsson (2016).

Take these things for granted if you want, but I personally wouldn't. For a small-market team that probably should never have existed, they've actually done exceptionally well for themselves.

Pretty negative assessment of the team - as if other teams have nothing but wonderful things to look back on. The Senators are the only Canadian team to have made the Conference Finals 3 times in the past 20 years, are 1 of only 2 Canadian teams to have won a President's Trophy in the same time span, and - unlike either Montreal or Toronto - have a Stanley Cup Finals appearance in the current century. It's easy to dwell on Yashin/Daigle/Heatley, but they've also had HOF-quality players like Hossa, Chara, Alfredsson, and Karlsson on the roster. There's been negative drama, but also stories like Bobby Ryan's Masterson Trophy, Craig Anderson's wife battling cancer, and Roger Nielson's final year of coaching. Not to mention a slew of memorable player moments like Pageau's 4G break-outs, the Hamburgler's run, and Conn Smythe-quality performances from both Alfredsson (2007) and Karlsson (2016).

Take these things for granted if you want, but I personally wouldn't.
- khawk

That's fair and I have great memories of the Sens history. But compare them to a team like Tampa who came into the league in the same year. Has already won a cup and could win a second one this year as well.

Ever team has good and bad to look back on. My point was more that the Sens have never won a cup so that old 2D jersey and logo don't really have success to look back on.

I'd rather be positive, by creating a new team identity with a new jersey and logo

3rd & 5th Overall Picks

2010: Erik Gudbranson, Nino Niederreiter
2011: Jonathan Huberdeau, Ryan Strome
2012: Alex Galchenyuk, Morgan Rielly
2013: Jonathan Drouin, Elias Lindholm
2014: Leon Draisaitl, Michael Dal Colle
2015: Dylan Strome, Noah Hanifin
2016: Pierre-Luc Dubois, Olli Juolevi
2017: Miro Heiskanen, Elias Pettersson
2018: Jesperi Kotkaniemi, Barrett Hayton
2019: Kirby Dach, Alex Turcotte

Based on the last 20 picks at 3 & 5, I would go with safe picks! We can't look back 5-7 years from now and justify "that guy had a high ceiling"

3rd & 5th Overall Picks

2010: Erik Gudbranson, Nino Niederreiter
2011: Jonathan Huberdeau, Ryan Strome
2012: Alex Galchenyuk, Morgan Rielly
2013: Jonathan Drouin, Elias Lindholm
2014: Leon Draisaitl, Michael Dal Colle
2015: Dylan Strome, Noah Hanifin
2016: Pierre-Luc Dubois, Olli Juolevi
2017: Miro Heiskanen, Elias Pettersson
2018: Jesperi Kotkaniemi, Barrett Hayton
2019: Kirby Dach, Alex Turcotte

Based on the last 20 picks at 3 & 5, I would go with safe picks! We can't look back 5-7 years from now and justify "that guy had a high ceiling"
- AlfieisKing

Imagine if we could duplicate the 2017 result>

3rd & 5th Overall Picks

2010: Erik Gudbranson, Nino Niederreiter
2011: Jonathan Huberdeau, Ryan Strome
2012: Alex Galchenyuk, Morgan Rielly
2013: Jonathan Drouin, Elias Lindholm
2014: Leon Draisaitl, Michael Dal Colle
2015: Dylan Strome, Noah Hanifin
2016: Pierre-Luc Dubois, Olli Juolevi
2017: Miro Heiskanen, Elias Pettersson
2018: Jesperi Kotkaniemi, Barrett Hayton
2019: Kirby Dach, Alex Turcotte

Based on the last 20 picks at 3 & 5, I would go with safe picks! We can't look back 5-7 years from now and justify "that guy had a high ceiling"
- AlfieisKing

Even years like 2016, you had Tkachuk taken 6th. So opportunity there so long as they make the right pikc.

That's fair and I have great memories of the Sens history. But compare them to a team like Tampa who came into the league in the same year. Has already won a cup and could win a second one this year as well.

Ever team has good and bad to look back on. My point was more that the Sens have never won a cup so that old 2D jersey and logo don't really have success to look back on.

I'd rather be positive, by creating a new team identity with a new jersey and logo
- Maverick1818

I get your point, but it's pretty selective to compare against Tampa Bay while they're playing the Stanley Cup Finals. The story changes quite a bit when you compare with the majority of other small market teams over the past 25 years like Nashville, San Jose, Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Arizona, Buffalo, Minnesota, Florida, and Columbus - where I'd suggest Ottawa measures up quite favorably, all things considered. Honestly, if a Stanley Cup becomes your only definition of success, then half the league should be abandoning their jerseys ASAP.

At the end of the day, it's just a soulless branding exercise... if they want a new team identity they need to do a hell of a lot more than just release a new jersey/logo to try to stimulate merchandising revenue. For starters, they need to better showcase the team's best young talent, and actively support their development with with quality veteran support. If they even just did that, they could wear an orange Snuggie with pink Cooperalls for all I care.

Based on the last 20 picks at 3 & 5, I would go with safe picks! We can't look back 5-7 years from now and justify "that guy had a high ceiling"
- AlfieisKing

Well... except for the fact that several of the best selections on that list weren't regarded as the "safe pick" (eg. Huberdeau, Reilly, Dubois, Pettersson), several of the worst selections very much were a "safe pick" (e.g. Gudbranson, Drouin, Strome, Juolevi), and several of these picks look quite bad in comparison to picks made shortly afterwards. So I'm really not sure how that list provides evidence to support your point.

There's going to be no shortage of quality talent on the board at 3/5... but the point is to get the players that your scouting and development team believes will help the team the most. If they happen to be regarded as "safe" picks, that's fine... but it absolutely should not be their goal to be risk averse as a default mindset.

Well... except for the fact that several of the best selections on that list weren't regarded as the "safe pick" (eg. Huberdeau, Reilly, Dubois, Pettersson), several of the worst selections very much were the "safe pick" (e.g. Gudbranson, Drouin, Strome, Juolevi), and several of these picks look quite bad in comparison to picks made shortly afterwards. So I'm really not sure how that list provides evidence to support your point.

There's going to be no shortage of quality talent on the board at 3/5... but the point is to get the players that your scouting and development team believes will help the team the most. If they happen to be regarded as "safe" picks, that's fine... but it absolutely should not be their goal to be risk averse as a default mindset.
- khawk

If memory serves, Dubois was regarded as a "reach" over Puljujarvi?

If memory serves, Dubois was regarded as a "reach" over Puljujarvi?
- david22

Yes, the Dubois pick was considered a "reach" over Puljujarvi, who some had ranked on par with Laine. TSN/McKenzie had Dubois at #5, and it was just presumed that the top-3 picks of the draft were fixed (Matthews-Laine-Puljujarvi). Edmonton acted liked they'd won another draft lottery, Oilers fans started planning the parade, and well... not so much. In hindsight, it's quite telling that Jarmo Kekalainen would go off-script to pass over a fellow countryman who was regarded as a top-3 prospect, because that couldn't have been an easy decision for him.

That's fair and I have great memories of the Sens history. But compare them to a team like Tampa who came into the league in the same year. Has already won a cup and could win a second one this year as well.

Ever team has good and bad to look back on. My point was more that the Sens have never won a cup so that old 2D jersey and logo don't really have success to look back on.

I'd rather be positive, by creating a new team identity with a new jersey and logo
- Maverick1818

Fair to say you'd prefer a brand new logo.

It was cheaper to just get an intern make a couple of changes to the 2-D logo in Microsoft Paint rather than reinvent the wheel. Fans were screaming for a rebrand and I'd say the majority prefer the old logo. Decent compromise for a team not willing to break the bank.

Well... except for the fact that several of the best selections on that list weren't regarded as the "safe pick" (eg. Huberdeau, Reilly, Dubois, Pettersson), several of the worst selections very much were a "safe pick" (e.g. Gudbranson, Drouin, Strome, Juolevi), and several of these picks look quite bad in comparison to picks made shortly afterwards. So I'm really not sure how that list provides evidence to support your point.

There's going to be no shortage of quality talent on the board at 3/5... but the point is to get the players that your scouting and development team believes will help the team the most. If they happen to be regarded as "safe" picks, that's fine... but it absolutely should not be their goal to be risk averse as a default mindset.
- khawk

I agree with this. I don't quite get the value of looking at past 3 and 5 picks. Value will always be there. The list doesn't show what happened at 4 either or 5 either. Text in bold is what it is all about.

Imagine if we could duplicate the 2017 result>
- spatso

With all due respect I think its too early to say that (even though I would agree with you on these 2 particular players). Alex Galchenyuk had 30 goals and 56 points 3 years after being drafted and now will be lucky to get a multi year deal at age 26.

Dion Phanuef looked so amazing a few years into his career - he had similar value to Alex Ovechkin on defense (with his shot, power, and impact). Then he was just an overpaid 4th D-man.

Even years like 2016, you had Tkachuk taken 6th. So opportunity there so long as they make the right pikc.
- david22

Yes I agree with that - but it's about making the right selection at #5. I think #3 is safe but to be honest I am much more sold on Stutzle than Byfield - it's not even close

Well... except for the fact that several of the best selections on that list weren't regarded as the "safe pick" (eg. Huberdeau, Reilly, Dubois, Pettersson), several of the worst selections very much were a "safe pick" (e.g. Gudbranson, Drouin, Strome, Juolevi), and several of these picks look quite bad in comparison to picks made shortly afterwards. So I'm really not sure how that list provides evidence to support your point.

There's going to be no shortage of quality talent on the board at 3/5... but the point is to get the players that your scouting and development team believes will help the team the most. If they happen to be regarded as "safe" picks, that's fine... but it absolutely should not be their goal to be risk averse as a default mindset.
- khawk

I get what you're saying, but this is true of any scouting staff. Further to that point, EVERYONE looks at potential with these young players. What players could be. We all hear comparisons and breakdown of players - but the fact remains - not everyone is going hit their potential. Many in the first round will not. The Sens need to be smart with their 5th overall pick. The owner has lack my confidence and that's true of most fans. They should go for a player like Jake Sanderson, Jamie Drysdale because it's a safe and smart pick - but also comes with high ceiling options. Guys like Lucas Raymond and Quinton Byfield (imo) offer great reward but it wouldn't surprise me if they don't hit their ceilings.