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Pacificgem
Utah Hockey Club
Location: Cooley, AZ
Joined: 07.01.2007

Sep 21 @ 12:37 PM ET
Sounds a bit like Boeser
- NewYorkNuck

True, although he isn’t expensive and he’s only 23, the moral of the story is tying up money in an older 7 million a year, one-dimensional player, like JVR, who he was referring to, isn’t a luxury teams can afford. That’s why I think Toffoli at four years is a bad idea.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 21 @ 1:05 PM ET
18 Days to free agency . Clock is ticking Marky
Pacificgem
Utah Hockey Club
Location: Cooley, AZ
Joined: 07.01.2007

Sep 21 @ 1:11 PM ET
Looks like Horgan’s calling a fall BC provincial election.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Sep 21 @ 1:49 PM ET
True, although he isn’t expensive and he’s only 23, the moral of the story is tying up money in an older 7 million a year, one-dimensional player, like JVR, who he was referring to, isn’t a luxury teams can afford. That’s why I think Toffoli at four years is a bad idea.
- Pacificgem


TT at least plays a solid 200 foot game and is a good passer. I think a guy like Laine is a better fit for that judgment than Boeser or TT.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 21 @ 1:53 PM ET
TT at least plays a solid 200 foot game and is a good passer. I think a guy like Laine is a better fit for that judgment than Boeser or TT.
- NewYorkNuck


True but it would be very costly. Islanders are suppose to be a leading candidate for Laine.
Pacificgem
Utah Hockey Club
Location: Cooley, AZ
Joined: 07.01.2007

Sep 21 @ 2:01 PM ET
TT at least plays a solid 200 foot game and is a good passer. I think a guy like Laine is a better fit for that judgment than Boeser or TT.
- NewYorkNuck

Toffoli’s game is definitely more well rounded, however, Boeser is better offensively over the past three seasons in both goals, 71 vs 61, and assists, 85 vs 64. Plus he’s five years younger.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Sep 21 @ 2:10 PM ET
Toffoli’s game is definitely more well rounded, however, Boeser is better offensively over the past three seasons in both goals, 71 vs 61, and assists, 85 vs 64. Plus he’s five years younger.
- Pacificgem


Totally agree – but the initial thing you posted was about offense-only guys being a "expensive luxury".

I think Boeser is fine, a great complimentary player for the team and organization. However, if he was to be traded for an equally young, equally impactful RHD, I would understand.
Pacificgem
Utah Hockey Club
Location: Cooley, AZ
Joined: 07.01.2007

Sep 21 @ 2:11 PM ET
True but it would be very costly. Islanders are suppose to be a leading candidate for Laine.
- VANTEL

Laine would be dynamite with Matthew Barzal, who’s a great passing center.
Pacificgem
Utah Hockey Club
Location: Cooley, AZ
Joined: 07.01.2007

Sep 21 @ 2:15 PM ET
Totally agree – but the initial thing you posted was about offense-only guys being a "expensive luxury".

I think Boeser is fine, a great complimentary player for the team and organization. However, if he was to be traded for an equally young, equally impactful RHD, I would understand.

- NewYorkNuck

I think you took it out of context, the article was about older, expensive, costly, one-dimensional players like JVR being an expensive luxury. In free agency. None of those things are Brock Boeser.

Also, he’s not a complementary player, he was tied for 4th in team scoring playing twelve less games than everyone above him. He’s very much a part of the primary offence.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Sep 21 @ 2:18 PM ET
I think you took it out of context, the article was about older, expensive, costly, one-dimensional players like JVR being an expensive luxury. In free agency. None of those things are Brock Boeser.

Also, he’s not a complementary player, he was tied for 4th in team scoring playing twelve less games than everyone above him. He’s very much a part of the primary offence.

- Pacificgem


Complimentary is in – what I said before – he's not the primary driver. He needs someone to find him/create space for him. He's an amazing third wheel.
NuckUp
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cap Busters
Joined: 07.01.2019

Sep 21 @ 2:21 PM ET
I think you took it out of context, the article was about older, expensive, costly, one-dimensional players like JVR being an expensive luxury. In free agency. None of those things are Brock Boeser.

Also, he’s not a complementary player, he was tied for 4th in team scoring playing twelve less games than everyone above him. He’s very much a part of the primary offence.

- Pacificgem


The lets trade BB talk sounds so much like Hall for Larson. You build around core and make package trades to pick up the one good missing need.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 21 @ 2:27 PM ET
I think you took it out of context, the article was about older, expensive, costly, one-dimensional players like JVR being an expensive luxury. In free agency. None of those things are Brock Boeser.

Also, he’s not a complementary player, he was tied for 4th in team scoring playing twelve less games than everyone above him. He’s very much a part of the primary offence.

- Pacificgem


He also cost 2.5 mil more than Pearson who did not get top PP minutes. He also scored 9 more points than Jake who was 4.5 mil cheaper.

As far as staying healthy that should not be a negative . 5.9 is expensive for a 45 point player.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Sep 21 @ 2:28 PM ET
The lets trade BB talk sounds so much like Hall for Larson. You build around core and make package trades to pick up the one good missing need.
- NuckUp


That was just a terrible trade. Think more Ryan Johansen for Seth Jones.
Pacificgem
Utah Hockey Club
Location: Cooley, AZ
Joined: 07.01.2007

Sep 21 @ 2:42 PM ET
Complimentary is in – what I said before – he's not the primary driver. He needs someone to find him/create space for him. He's an amazing third wheel.
- NewYorkNuck

As I’ve said before, I’m ok if anyone not named Pettersson or Hughes is traded if the deal makes the team better, however, if you actually looked at the Canucks primary offensive drivers, he’s definitely one of them. Pearson is a complimentary player.

Of his 29 assists, 14 were primary assists, 5th on the team behind Pettersson 25, Miller 25, Hughes 23 & Horvat 20. 80% of Pettersson’s assists were primary, 73% for Miller, 70% for Horvat, 67% for Boeser and 58% for Hughes.

Those five guys drive the offensive bus for the Canucks, because they’re the most talented.

What is or isn’t a complimentary player is in the eye of the beholder I guess...imo he’s very much a driver of the Canucks offensive.
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Sep 21 @ 2:42 PM ET
He also cost 2.5 mil more than Pearson who did not get top PP minutes. He also scored 9 more points than Jake who was 4.5 mil cheaper.

As far as staying healthy that should not be a negative . 5.9 is expensive for a 45 point player.

- VANTEL

So you're saying Jake at 3mil is a steal
Pacificgem
Utah Hockey Club
Location: Cooley, AZ
Joined: 07.01.2007

Sep 21 @ 2:43 PM ET
He also cost 2.5 mil more than Pearson who did not get top PP minutes. He also scored 9 more points than Jake who was 4.5 mil cheaper.

As far as staying healthy that should not be a negative . 5.9 is expensive for a 45 point player.

- VANTEL

There’s a reason for that, Pearson not getting top power-play minutes, because Boeser’s a much more talented player. Thus he makes more money.

Also, his 5.875 million dollar salary was based off his 55 and 56 point seasons, which is average for that production.
Pacificgem
Utah Hockey Club
Location: Cooley, AZ
Joined: 07.01.2007

Sep 21 @ 2:48 PM ET
That was just a terrible trade. Think more Ryan Johansen for Seth Jones.
- NewYorkNuck

IMO it wasn’t a good trade, or a nothing trade, for either team because neither team has won jack poop with those players. Winning is the only thing that matters, everything anyone has ever done, good bad or indifferent, is meaningless unless you win.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 21 @ 2:50 PM ET
So you're saying Jake at 3mil is a steal
- NorthNuck


If it is Jake at 3 or Brock at 6 I would look hard and long before deciding.

People think of Brock as the person that blasted a one timer past Price in the ASG when in fact his one timer has dropped off quite a bit. He looks to pass more than he shoots now.

I am not being negative towards him I am just open to moving him if there is a good deal and I am also okay if he stays.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 21 @ 2:52 PM ET
There’s a reason for that, Pearson not getting top power-play minutes, because Boeser’s a much more talented player. Thus he makes more money.
- Pacificgem



Brock got dropped to third line duties a few times this year , I don't remember that happening to Pearson ?
Pacificgem
Utah Hockey Club
Location: Cooley, AZ
Joined: 07.01.2007

Sep 21 @ 2:52 PM ET
Brock got dropped to third line duties a few times this year , I don't remember that happening to Pearson ?
- VANTEL

Then you weren’t watching. Guys moved all over the place this year, which happens on most every team.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 21 @ 2:56 PM ET
Then you weren’t watching. Guys moved all over the place this year, which happens on most every team.
- Pacificgem


Old age is a b1tch
NuckUp
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cap Busters
Joined: 07.01.2019

Sep 21 @ 3:54 PM ET
Brock got dropped to third line duties a few times this year , I don't remember that happening to Pearson ?
- VANTEL



Green mixes lines its not about dropping if you aren't playing with Petey. Its asset relocation for maximizing current conditions on team performance. Just take the averages and then you can classify someone like top 6 or top 6 potential like BB and JV for example.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Sep 21 @ 4:24 PM ET
Green mixes lines its not about dropping if you aren't playing with Petey. Its asset relocation for maximizing current conditions on team performance. Just take the averages and then you can classify someone like top 6 or top 6 potential like BB and JV for example.
- NuckUp

lol that's awesome I'm gonna use that...

Where can we 'relocate' LE?
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 21 @ 4:54 PM ET
Jason Gregor
@JasonGregor
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17m
"I'm hearing, if he goes to market, the Red Wings are looking to make a big pitch for Markstrom. I wonder if they give Markstrom his ask of $6m how it would impact others after Lehner signed for $5m in Vegas." Woodley.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Sep 21 @ 5:25 PM ET
Jason Gregor
@JasonGregor
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17m
"I'm hearing, if he goes to market, the Red Wings are looking to make a big pitch for Markstrom. I wonder if they give Markstrom his ask of $6m how it would impact others after Lehner signed for $5m in Vegas." Woodley.

- VANTEL


If he wants to spend the best years of his career on a team that's going to be a bottom 5 team, go for it.

1 mil a year versus the chance to play for a Stanley Cup?
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