Jvr blows. Anyone defending or loving this scrub is blind

Jvr blows. Anyone defending or loving this scrub is blind
- SMS4016

Well when you put it that way I finally see it.

I love Ghost, but if that's a real thing (with no other major pieces involved), Calgary's GM should be fired on the spot.
- jmatchett383

The Flyers have turned valuable chips into overpaid spare parts.

Why did Gostisbehere go from a 65 point player on the backend two years ago, to a guy that doesn't even play now? Are we conveniently blaming injuries for his regression at 27 years old? I'm not buying into that, players come back from far more severe injuries at advanced ages to be productive.

Why has JVR gone from back to back season in Toronto where he averaged 34 goals a year to a healthy playoff scratch? Is he shot at 31? Not buying that either. The solution is to get these players back to when they were performing at a high level.

Where is this rumor coming from? Flyers fans?
- MJL

Eklund is reporting this. Seems crazy to me. So was just curious what Bill thought.

JVR has his flaws but if your eyes tell you that he's pretty much shot. I would see an optometrist. JVR had a solid regular season. He matched Giroux in ES points. The overwhelming majority of goal scoring wingers in this league need line mates to help them create and get scoring chances.
- MJL

This was G's worst season. One that has most Flyers fans, including yourself based on prior posts, legitimately concerned. So pointing out that JVR matched him means virtually nothing.
Your last sentence is overly-vague on purpose, as is your style when trying to prove a point. And I would just counter by saying that most goal scoring wingers making $7M do not need anywhere near the amount of help from their line mates that JVR does.

The notion or thought process that JVR's 25 goals would need to be made up for by the single player inserted into the lineup to replace him is ridiculous. In fact, the idea that there has to be a specific plan in place to replace his goals prior to moving on from him is off base too IMO. If any reasonable opportunity to move on from him presents itself, they should do it. The goals will come collectively from the rest of the lineup.

I'm not saying that JVR is a completely useless player that has no place in the NHL. But I do think he stinks, and has no place on the Flyers roster. I really don't care what any fancy stats say, or how much he improved away from the puck this past season prior to the stoppage. My eyes tell me he is pretty much shot. The fact that he has to play with the team's best set-up men in order to be effective is such a detriment to what AV can do with his lines. As evidenced by the fact that he was a $7M healthy scratch on a team desperate for goal scoring, which is the main thing that he was brought here to do.
- Big_E_88

THIS, take all of that stats out of it, just watching him play leaves so much to be desired. I want a guy that can shoot the puck, I hope Frost can come in and help this team. I know he’s more of a set up guy but I’m his junior days he would let it fly on the power play coming in from the half wall. He looked so good with G for those 3 games, just be more consistent. That goal verse Florida was unreal.

The Flyers have turned valuable chips into overpaid spare parts.

Why did Gostisbehere go from a 65 point player on the backend two years ago, to a guy that doesn't even play now? Are we conveniently blaming injuries for his regression at 27 years old? I'm not buying into that, players come back from far more severe injuries at advanced ages to be productive players.

Why has JVR gone from back to back season in Toronto where he averaged 34 goals a year to a healthy playoff scratch? Is he shot at 31? Not buying that either. The solution is to get these players back to when they were performing at a high level.
- PLindbergh31[/quote]
said that earlier the coaches need to be better with these 2.

FWIW: On The Athletic this morning, Corey Pronman posted the Mock Draft in which the beat writers (from The Athletic) make the picks for the teams they cover.

Charlie O'Connor has the Flyers taking Noel Gunler, a Swedish winger out of the SHL.

I've literally never heard of him and have no opinion one way or the other whether this is a good pick, a bad pick, or even whether #23 is remotely close to where the Flyers have this kid on their board.

My bet: whatever the Flyers do, within a year, PBrendl55 will be sharpshooting the Flyers for being moronic in not taking some other kid none of us has heard of before.
- Doc_Sarcasm

With Morin, Rubstov, and Patrick in the first round the last 5 years or so, who can question any of the first round picks.

With Morin, Rubstov, and Patrick in the first round the last 5 years or so, who can question any of the first round picks.

- PLindbergh31

Jay O brian as well......

The Flyers have turned valuable chips into overpaid spare parts.

Why did Gostisbehere go from a 65 point player on the backend two years ago, to a guy that doesn't even play now? Are we conveniently blaming injuries for his regression at 27 years old? I'm not buying into that, players come back from far more severe injuries at advanced ages to be productive.

Why has JVR gone from back to back season in Toronto where he averaged 34 goals a year to a healthy playoff scratch? Is he shot at 31? Not buying that either. The solution is to get these players back to when they were performing at a high level.
- PLindbergh31

The team was better without either of them playing significant roles this year. Maybe the players are the ones who need to get with the program.

I am a big fan of Ghost. But he doesn't do what is needed night in and night out to stay in the lineup. I do think JVR needs to play with talented players to realize his full potential. I think the lineup will afford him that option this year. Especially when you consider Lindblom and Patrick should be regulars.

The team was better without either of them playing significant roles this year. Maybe the players are the ones who need to get with the program.

I am a big fan of Ghost. But he doesn't do what is needed night in and night out to stay in the lineup. I do think JVR needs to play with talented players to realize his full potential. I think the lineup will afford him that option this year. Especially when you consider Lindblom and Patrick should be regulars.
- mickel25

I will take that bet.

The team was better without either of them playing significant roles this year. Maybe the players are the ones who need to get with the program.

I am a big fan of Ghost. But he doesn't do what is needed night in and night out to stay in the lineup. I do think JVR needs to play with talented players to realize his full potential. I think the lineup will afford him that option this year. Especially when you consider Lindblom and Patrick should be regulars.
- mickel25

Coach them up/surround them with the right players. Big contracts have been give to these guys, you can't just throw your hands up in the air and say, well I guess they aren't going to play. They need these players to produce.

Jay O brian as well......
- login

Haven't followed him closely. He's only 20 years old I believe, last I saw he was flaming out at Providence. What's his current status?

Coach them up/surround them with the right players. Big contracts have been give to these guys, you can't just throw your hands up in the air and say, well I guess they aren't going to play. They need these players to produce.
- PLindbergh31

I honestly didn't like AV sitting JVR in the playoffs, should have let him play but I don't see what is happening in practice. AV pushed a lot of right buttons in year 1

Coach them up/surround them with the right players. Big contracts have been give to these guys, you can't just throw your hands up in the air and say, well I guess they aren't going to play. They need these players to produce.
- PLindbergh31

I guess. But why do they get special circumstances when guys like NAK, TK and Laughton responded positively to the coaches tactics and earned more responsibility? You need to capitalize on your opportunities when you are given them. Neither of those players did that enough this season.

I will take that bet.
- login

I am not betting on Patrick. I am hoping. If he doesn't do it maybe Frost gets a longer look. Either one is fine with me.

I guess. But why do they get special circumstances when guys like NAK, TK and Laughton responded positively to the coaches tactics and earned more responsibility? You need to capitalize on your opportunities when you are given them. Neither of those players did that enough this season.
- mickel25

Gostisbehere is still in his prime, JVR maybe just outside his. These players were very productive players not long ago. So what is the problem? Work ethic?

I guess. But why do they get special circumstances when guys like NAK, TK and Laughton responded positively to the coaches tactics and earned more responsibility? You need to capitalize on your opportunities when you are given them. Neither of those players did that enough this season.
- mickel25

Disagree as some players have a longer leash than others.

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Gostisbehere is still in his prime, JVR maybe just outside his. These players were very productive players not long ago. So what is the problem? Work ethic?
- PLindbergh31

I think the team has added talent that deserves to play ahead of them. I think neither is great defensively. The name of the game is to keep the puck out of your own net.

If they produced at a higher rate they would probably play more. It becomes a game of chicken with those two. When they produce enough to overcome defensive shortcomings all is well. When they don't produce enough they become a huge liability. That's how I see it.

Again, I do think JVR will have higher quality linemates on the third line this year. So you should see an uptick in production from him. I really want Ghost to rediscover his game. He could be a real difference maker. It is just so hard to continue trotting him out there when he does not have it.

Eklund is reporting this. Seems crazy to me. So was just curious what Bill thought.
- Kooleus

I asked Ek why Calgary would do this deal in a million years. Never got a response.

Disagree as some players have a longer leash than others.
- login

Some of those are based on expectations and available replacements. I think Grant is one of the players you would include. I agree he should not have played as much as he did. He was used as a center so I think that kept him in the lineup longer. I have no other explanation.

Haven't followed him closely. He's only 20 years old I believe, last I saw he was flaming out at Providence. What's his current status?
- PLindbergh31

He got hurt at Providence and never really got going. Put up 66 points in 46 games (25 goals), and 10 points in 5 playoff games playing for Penticton, and will be playing for Boston University this season if they play.

With Morin, Rubstov, and Patrick in the first round the last 5 years or so, who can question any of the first round picks.

- PLindbergh31

So Saquan is a bust too

I think a lot of people have false expectations to what ghost is. Yes he can pass and shoot. Isn’t slow but isn’t fast in a straight line. Excellent lateral movement. He said it himself. No one knew him at first. Once his game was figured out. That was it. When you check him. Don’t worry about the puck, take the body. And block the shooting lane. That’s it. He is not good in his own end. Reminds me of a smaller Streit.

His one great season. He was also playing with good players. Not gonna take the time to look it up. But 52 assists. Yes. And 13 goals. But look who he was passing to at the time. G more in his prime. Jake more in his prime. Simmonds was one of the top pp net front and power forwards around. Coots more coming into his own.

Yes he has offensive skill. But I think that year was more due to the teams play. He if played right will get you 40 points. But at what cost.