A worthless opinion coming from someone who knows nothing about hockey and watches very few games. How are your own personal can't miss favourite player talents like Enstrom, Marko Dano, Paul Postma, Sami Niku, and Nik Petan doing lately ?
- jetsnation

This is off this topic, but TSN has some interesting pieces on the Jets. They mention LA and CBS having lots of interest in Laine.
Can't see a good fit with LA but they do have Turcotte, Kempe and Vilardi who could interest our team.
CBS has Texier, Foudy and Gavrikov who could be of interest but Gavrikov LD.

Yes it's very easy to develop players who for the most part have been taken in the top 15!
- TheUltimateJet

Wouldn’t that be Chevy’s issue ?
It’s not like any of his undeveloped picks have gone on to better things anywhere else .

Wouldn’t that be Chevy’s issue ?
It’s not like any of his undeveloped picks have gone on to better things anywhere else .
- bennythehat

It is, and it isn’t Chevy’s issue.

The Jets have been exceptionally good at taking their prospects from the draft to the point of being ready to make the NHL jump. That’s good Chevy work.

The second these young players see their first NHL games is when it all goes to sh*t. There’s no consistency to their deployment, or development. You might sit for 20 of the first 22 games, play 10 straight with 10 minutes per game next to that seasons’ September AHL signings (Hendricks, Letestu, Bourque), then get blamed for the lack of production on your line, and be benched while they play on.
You might also get called up from the Moose and randomly be Scheifele’s winger in career game 1. Which would be awesome, if Maurice wasn’t prone to resetting his lines to the same failed combinations, and bouncing your 20/21/22 year old ass out of the the lineup regardless of performance because... reasons?
That is where Chevy fails. By allowing young Jets to be jerked around by the coach. There’s no consistency. The expectations seem super unclear. There is no safety, regardless of performance.

It also doesn’t help that Maurice picks favourites. If Nic Petan was 6’ tall, he would be our 2C right now. They would’ve handled him differently.
Whereas a guy like Jansen Harkins would never have seen ice time at this level, regardless of his AHL play, if Maurice didn’t know his history.

*edit* Lol I forgot to address your main point. It doesn’t mean anything that those prospects didn’t go anywhere else to great success. You see coaches ruin prospects everywhere. They become damaged goods, and it’s hard to get past that. Look at Josh Ho-Sang and Jesse Puljujarvi for active examples of legit NHL players being ruined by bad management.

It is, and it isn’t Chevy’s issue.

The Jets have been exceptionally good at taking their prospects from the draft to the point of being ready to make the NHL jump. That’s good Chevy work.

The second these young players see their first NHL games is when it all goes to sh*t. There’s no consistency to their deployment, or development. You might sit for 20 of the first 22 games, play 10 straight with 10 minutes per game next to that seasons’ September AHL signings (Hendricks, Letestu, Bourque), then get blamed for the lack of production on your line, and be benched while they play on.
You might also get called up from the Moose and randomly be Scheifele’s winger in career game 1. Which would be awesome, if Maurice wasn’t prone to resetting his lines to the same failed combinations, and bouncing your 20/21/22 year old ass out of the the lineup regardless of performance because... reasons?
That is where Chevy fails. By allowing young Jets to be jerked around by the coach. There’s no consistency. The expectations seem super unclear. There is no safety, regardless of performance.

It also doesn’t help that Maurice picks favourites. If Nic Petan was 6’ tall, he would be our 2C right now. They would’ve handled him differently.
Whereas a guy like Jansen Harkins would never have seen ice time at this level, regardless of his AHL play, if Maurice didn’t know his history
- Rexypoo

Or it just could be that they just are not good enough to begin with. Most of Chevy's picks after the 2nd round don't even make it to the Moose.
However, if you want to blame Maurice, you are entitled to your opinion.

Or it just could be that they just are not good enough to begin with. Most of Chevy's picks after the 2nd round don't even make it to the Moose.
However, if you want to blame Maurice, you are entitled to your opinion.
- bennythehat

Petan was better than Point in junior. Both fell in the draft for the same reason.
Dano was an excellent rookie NHLer for Columbus, and was solid in both Chicago and early on in Winnipeg before Maurice decided he should be on the Moose.
Look at how great Roslovic was at every level before making the Jets, only to now be thrown all over the lineup at random on a team that should be desperate for what he offers (defence, speed, play driving).

It’s not all Maurice. But 80% of it is.

Petan was better than Point in junior. Both fell in the draft for the same reason.
Dano was an excellent rookie NHLer for Columbus, and was solid in both Chicago and early on in Winnipeg before Maurice decided he should be on the Moose.
Look at how great Roslovic was at every level before making the Jets, only to now be thrown all over the lineup at random on a team that should be desperate for what he offers (defence, speed, play driving).

It’s not all Maurice. But 80% of it is.
- Rexypoo

Don't forget whatever happened to Niku. Does anyone even have him playing for the Jets this year?

Petan was better than Point in junior. Both fell in the draft for the same reason.
Dano was an excellent rookie NHLer for Columbus, and was solid in both Chicago and early on in Winnipeg before Maurice decided he should be on the Moose.
Look at how great Roslovic was at every level before making the Jets, only to now be thrown all over the lineup at random on a team that should be desperate for what he offers (defence, speed, play driving).

It’s not all Maurice. But 80% of it is.
- Rexypoo

Since you managed to bring Dano into this...he had a John Druce like run for part of a season - then reality set in.
In my opinion, Point is a better skater and plays grittier than Petan.
Ros just isn’t better than our top 6 and that’s where he needs to be slotted. Maybe the Laine trade will open up a slot for him.

Just read UltimateJet is making the expansion pick for the Kraken blog. I'm assuming the Jets use their 6th and 7th forward protection spots for Copp and Roslovic, so UJ can live out his fantasy of getting rid of Lowry.

Don't forget whatever happened to Niku. Does anyone even have him playing for the Jets this year?
- BWJumper

With Maurice, the systems are bad, the usage makes no sense, and the trust is basically arbitrary and impossible to earn.
Kyle Connor being The Guy on the top line forever with PK duties doesnt happen anywhere else. He gets sheltered by Carolina or Tampa.
Niku not getting a fair shot once after winning the Norris-lite doesn’t happen anywhere else. It’s been steady AHLers and minimal ice time aside from what? A 3 game stint with Trouba?

BS.

Just read UltimateJet is making the expansion pick for the Kraken blog. I'm assuming the Jets use their 6th and 7th forward protection spots for Copp and Roslovic, so UJ can live out his fantasy of getting rid of Lowry.
- BWJumper

To be fair, that’s the right play. Lowry is a pending UFA heading into the expansion draft. Even if they pick him, he might walk back into Maurice’s loving arms that next week.
(He wouldn’t lol).

Since you managed to bring Dano into this...he had a John Druce like run for part of a season - then reality set in.
In my opinion, Point is a better skater and plays grittier than Petan.
Ros just isn’t better than our top 6 and that’s where he needs to be slotted. Maybe the Laine trade will open up a slot for him.
- bennythehat

A: I didn’t bring Dano into this. JN did.
But alas, Dano had the same strong production and puck possession numbers the whole way through to the end of 17-18. He never let up or fell off, the ice time just disappeared because he skates funny.
B: Maybe so, but Petan was the better player until they were both 21. I don’t care about the grit, and neither would Cooper.
C: Roslovic doesn’t need top 6 to succeed. He needs steady linemates and a shot at Connor’s PK time

Wouldn’t that be Chevy’s issue ?
It’s not like any of his undeveloped picks have gone on to better things anywhere else .
- bennythehat

Well if you have confidence that they are not going to develop, then what the heck is Chevy doing holding on to all of them? Petan at one point possibly could have netted a late first or early second round pick.

Poor asset management by Chevy!

Just read UltimateJet is making the expansion pick for the Kraken blog. I'm assuming the Jets use their 6th and 7th forward protection spots for Copp and Roslovic, so UJ can live out his fantasy of getting rid of Lowry.
- BWJumper

Shhhh......you gave away my play

Petan was better than Point in junior. Both fell in the draft for the same reason.
Dano was an excellent rookie NHLer for Columbus, and was solid in both Chicago and early on in Winnipeg before Maurice decided he should be on the Moose.
Look at how great Roslovic was at every level before making the Jets, only to now be thrown all over the lineup at random on a team that should be desperate for what he offers (defence, speed, play driving).

It’s not all Maurice. But 80% of it is.
- Rexypoo

Not excusing Maurice but the biggest factor in kids (and these are kids let’s not forget!!) is them!!! No one and I mean no one can predict how 17-25 year old will grow develop and mature. Everyone is different. Some kids peak at 10,16, 20, 26!!!! Yes there are averages and norms but it’s not the same for everyone and somewhat nothing to do with coaching and management.

Not excusing Maurice but the biggest factor in kids (and these are kids let’s not forget!!) is them!!! No one and I mean no one can predict how 17-25 year old will grow develop and mature. Everyone is different. Some kids peak at 10,16, 20, 26!!!! Yes there are averages and norms but it’s not the same for everyone and somewhat nothing to do with coaching and management.
- Ross77

Further more this is why some first round picks bust (because they peaked at 16 or 17) and why others drafted in round 7 or come into the league un drafted go on to become all stars.

Well if you have confidence that they are not going to develop, then what the heck is Chevy doing holding on to all of them? Petan at one point possibly could have netted a late first or early second round pick.

Poor asset management by Chevy!
- TheUltimateJet

Petan ? Based on what ?

Petan ? Based on what ?
- bennythehat

Based on his performance at the WJC, his stock was super high then. TSN had him listed as a "can't miss" up and comer. The Jets had inside information on the kid and even after bringing him up, they dippsy doodles with the guy, multiple call-ups and demotions. They should have let him play in a more prominent role in order to get a prominent return.

Petan ? Based on what ?
- bennythehat

WHL pedigree, AHL production, draft position, and visible talent

Further more this is why some first round picks bust (because they peaked at 16 or 17) and why others drafted in round 7 or come into the league un drafted go on to become all stars.
- Ross77

Hey I think you should sign up for the expansion draft thing the Seatlle guy is doing. I am curious to see how much our lists are alike and different.

My level of interest in the listed players is as follows:

Sign now, whatever the price tag:
Pietrangelo, Gustafsson, DeMelo, Pysyk.
-Pietrangelo. Perennial Norris candidate. He won’t be a problem at 9mil until he’s like 35. Do it.
-Gustafsson. Not great on D. Most Jets arent, though. Absolute god of puck movement.
-DeMelo. Good at everything. Best at defence.
-Pysyk. Analytics darling. Abused in Florida for no apparent reason. Would immediately solve our Morrissey partner issue.

Can accept: Krug, Shattenkirk, Dillon, Gudas, Sekera.
-Krug is the 2nd best guy available, but will end up a buyout in the final years.
-Shattenkirk and Gudas are capable 2nd pairing guys who will be somewhat affordable. Age means short term deals, but also might mean decline. Worth a shot.
-Dillon will be a buyout. His type declines fast. He’s worth it now, if we’re going for it.
-Sekera is a solid risk on the bottom pairing. Might still be a solid #4. Can play both sides.

Everyone else is either too old to risk (Brodie), too likely to be overpaid (Schultz, Forbort, Tanev), or kinda just sucks (Hamonic, and many others).

I’d also accept Merrill, whom I missed on first pass. But only under 3 mil
- Rexypoo

Thing is idk if some of these dmen will get overpaid, there isn't much cap space in the league for them to get significant dollars unless GM'S with cap space start bailing out cap strapped teams like Yzerman did with that Staal trade, he really helped out the Rangers by only taking a 2nd round pick.
Are other GM's with space gonna be that generous? I doubt it but maybe, really think there should be some bargains to be had especially with so many dmen available, maybe I'll be wrong about that though idk.

Since you managed to bring Dano into this...he had a John Druce like run for part of a season - then reality set in.
In my opinion, Point is a better skater and plays grittier than Petan.
Ros just isn’t better than our top 6 and that’s where he needs to be slotted. Maybe the Laine trade will open up a slot for him.
- bennythehat

Top 6/Bottom 6, you're thinking like Maurice, it doesn't work.

Thing is idk if some of these dmen will get overpaid, there isn't much cap space in the league for them to get significant dollars unless GM'S with cap space start bailing out cap strapped teams like Yzerman did with that Staal trade, he really helped out the Rangers by only taking a 2nd round pick.
Are other GM's with space gonna be that generous? I doubt it but maybe, really think there should be some bargains to be had especially with so many dmen available, maybe I'll be wrong about that though idk.
- JetFuel

I feel like you’re right, but I was also basing my rankings there on the assumption that money would be tighter for everyone around the league. So it kinda levels out?
Point is we can afford to pay 2016 prices for 2020 free agents, and others can’t. Maybe that changes our odds a bit even as Winnipeg.

Interesting read, you went to a ;pt of work.

The ones that would interest me are: Borowiecki, Gudas, BVeaulieu and Gustafsson.
Whatever, we need some muscle on the back end.

That might leave us with:
Morrissey- Mr. X
Heinola-Poolman
Borowiecki-Gudas
- Beaulieu
- Gustafsson
- Samberg

A lot depends here if Heinola and or Samberg are ready.

"Mr. X" comes back with (I'm sorry) in the Laine trade along with the #2C. Note - I included Pionk in Laine deal, but there's a good possibility that may not happen, which I would be fine with.
- grahamzky

Totally agree with needing some muscle on the backend but no matter who that Mr.X dman is that's still not a very promising D core or at least I don't think it is, maybe if the pairings were worked around a bit but idk, still looks patchy to me.
I really wonder what Brodie will cost in dollars/term and if he'd sign in Winnipeg.

Totally agree with needing some muscle on the backend but no matter who that Mr.X dman is that's still not a very promising D core or at least I don't think it is, maybe if the pairings were worked around a bit but idk, still looks patchy to me.
I really wonder what Brodie will cost in dollars/term and if he'd sign in Winnipeg.
- JetFuel

Yeah, I don’t know about that blueline at all.
-Poolman isn’t top 4 material, and if Heinola had any issues adjusting to the smaller ice (he shouldn’t), that pairing gets slaughtered.
-Boro is a delightful man, but an AHL level defenceman.
-Gudas would be smart, but he needs a partner that can move the puck. Niku?

Totally agree with needing some muscle on the backend but no matter who that Mr.X dman is that's still not a very promising D core or at least I don't think it is, maybe if the pairings were worked around a bit but idk, still looks patchy to me.
I really wonder what Brodie will cost in dollars/term and if he'd sign in Winnipeg.
- JetFuel

Yea, agree with you, it still looks a little patchy.

Maybe if we get Mr X, and added, say a Erik Cernak (deleting one of the others) - it would look a whole lot better. I want Cernak for 2nd pairing!

Think Heinola is ready for the vigors of the NHL?