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jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Sep 23 @ 4:04 PM ET
I would like to know if anyone likes the way a P Suter/Kubalik/Dach line might click

Bowman has been drafting bigger size players. I don't know if we get much in the fom of big and nasty/mean players in the line up next seadon, but more grit starts with P Suter, perhaps lower line players like Hagel, and continuing metamorphosis of Dach. Carlsson too.

We should not expect playoffs if we do not get faster and at least some push back from defensemen and forwards. This team needs to turn the corner and be tough physically. If we had gone on to the next round this current playoffs, we would have approached the spanking that Nadville administered a few years ago.

I am not looking for fighters, just grit and sandpaper
I am old school when I say, you check hard but clean and if the other team commits an especially crunching check, we answer that. You demand respect and.you get it by playing the right way. More players like Sharp in the way he played.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Sep 23 @ 4:42 PM ET
I would like to know if anyone likes the way a P Suter/Kubalik/Dach line might click

Bowman has been drafting bigger size players. I don't know if we get much in the fom of big and nasty/mean players in the line up next seadon, but more grit starts with P Suter, perhaps lower line players like Hagel, and continuing metamorphosis of Dach. Carlsson too.

We should not expect playoffs if we do not get faster and at least some push back from defensemen and forwards. This team needs to turn the corner and be tough physically. If we had gone on to the next round this current playoffs, we would have approached the spanking that Nadville administered a few years ago.

I am not looking for fighters, just grit and sandpaper
I am old school when I say, you check hard but clean and if the other team commits an especially crunching check, we answer that. You demand respect and.you get it by playing the right way. More players like Sharp in the way he played.

- jhawk59

Sharp and Hossa are far from replaced. I don't care what Kubalik and Dinky's stats say.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Sep 23 @ 4:50 PM ET
I would like to know if anyone likes the way a P Suter/Kubalik/Dach line might click

Bowman has been drafting bigger size players. I don't know if we get much in the fom of big and nasty/mean players in the line up next seadon, but more grit starts with P Suter, perhaps lower line players like Hagel, and continuing metamorphosis of Dach. Carlsson too.

We should not expect playoffs if we do not get faster and at least some push back from defensemen and forwards. This team needs to turn the corner and be tough physically. If we had gone on to the next round this current playoffs, we would have approached the spanking that Nadville administered a few years ago.

I am not looking for fighters, just grit and sandpaper
I am old school when I say, you check hard but clean and if the other team commits an especially crunching check, we answer that. You demand respect and.you get it by playing the right way. More players like Sharp in the way he played.

- jhawk59


I would not say that Suter has grit or sandpaper. He is very smart and is always in the right spot. He has enough strength to not get thrown around, but is not bruising himself either.

The line you noted would be very interesting, simply because of the strengths of the players (and assuming Dach takes the next step).
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Sep 23 @ 4:52 PM ET
Sharp and Hossa are far from replaced. I don't care what Kubalik and Dinky's stats say.
- rpeters01


Where was it stated that they were? He literally said that we need players like Sharp because there aren't enough of them.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Sep 23 @ 5:11 PM ET
Dark horse choice for the Hawks. Can't recall which poster mentioned him, but William Wallander is a pure boom or bust pick. He is very raw but uber talented.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Sep 23 @ 5:26 PM ET
I would not say that Suter has grit or sandpaper. He is very smart and is always in the right spot. He has enough strength to not get thrown around, but is not bruising himself either.

The line you noted would be very interesting, simply because of the strengths of the players (and assuming Dach takes the next step).

- Chunk


My thinking is that they would desire to be a defensivrly responsible line

I like the strength of each and how they could co.iment each other. Which is in essence what you said. I also like that each is a hungry young player eager to improve and prove their worth. I thought Suter was a tad more willing to engage in physical play. And he might turn out to be as he wants to establish himself

I will Segway here. If Bowman would choose to derive $$$ and cap space he could see how he might improve the team by letting Crawford go and trading Saad. The Saad being moved is not really what I want to do. But his salary and job could be replaced by Hagel.

The money you save: Goes to Markstrom if he is available. I suggest if Vancouver really wants to draft a dman because Tanev leaves, they trade Markstrom or Demko for our 17th. Does ther r really need to be other things added to this trade? No? Then Vancouver trades their own #1 plus ours to get a higher $1 (draft Sanderson or Drysdale). The Canucks would get a #2 in either 2020 or 2021 when they trade two #1 picks for the higher #1 pick

This is reality thinking although perhaps the exact terms or players may not be a good enough fit.

We should cease talking about adding bottom line players vis - a- vis free agency or trades though because Bowman has said he wants to go with youth. Cheaper that way and necessary too with the salary cap.

My hope is that we can shed Carpentar and Smith the sooner the better.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Sep 23 @ 5:38 PM ET
I said in pass blog Mercer holloway boruque also. Added lappierre and schiender. Also think Murphy and saad are traded at the draft or right before the draft to get more picks in a deep draft. Hawks need more depth in their system imo plus like see in free agency hawks sign pitlick or player like him 4th line grinder who plays the body and boards forechecks and contract would not be much. Theo great start in your blog writing on the blackhawks.
- Scott1977

Thanks, Scott. Those are all good choices to consider at 17th. Mercer and Holloway may get selected earlier but you never know as draft rankings are all over the map, even in the top 10.
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Sep 23 @ 5:40 PM ET
Dark horse choice for the Hawks. Can't recall which poster mentioned him, but William Wallander is a pure boom or bust pick. He is very raw but uber talented.
- Elbows15

How long before this “raw but Uber talented” skater - even if a “boomer” - gets to the show?
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Sep 23 @ 5:56 PM ET
Looking forward to the off season to see how Stan reshapes the team. I say he selects a F with the 1st round pick.

Theo, regarding the 1 plus million in bonus payouts, I read somewhere that the Hawks can opt to take half that cap hit this season and the other half the following season. 500K may make a difference this year.

- boilermaker100

Thanks for the info on how the bonus overage could possibly be split across two seasons. That would be helpful as you pointed out.

I also have a gut feeling the Hawks will pick a forward with the 1st round pick. The defensemen who I would take in the opening round likely won't be available by 17th, (i.e. Drysdale, Sanderson, and Schneider).

The other defenders (i.e. Guhle, Wallinder, Barron) are good to consider but would still take a forward over them.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Sep 23 @ 6:06 PM ET
If Crow truly means that playing time is more important to him than money, he can sign a minimum contract with Edmonton/Calgary and probably get his wish. With another compressed schedule, I can't see how the Hawks can promise Crow the majority of starts. I agree, if Crow wants to be a mentor and probably play 1/2 the games fine, but if he wants to be undisputed #1, I too will say move on. Heck, when expansion came, the Hawks kept Denis Dejordy over one of the greatest goalies of all time (who BTW, invented the butterfly style of goaltending, or at that time called the inverted v) Glenn Hall solely because of age.
- LAHawk

Good factor to consider as far as the compressed schedule for determining whether Crawford is the best option as starter.

In a typical season, Crawford plays about 2/3 of the games when healthy. In a compressed schedule, that should go down and be even as low as 1/2 of the games.

Is Crawford okay with that?

Can the backup (whoever it ends up being) allow the Hawks to be competitive in the other 50% of games?

Or would the Hawks have a rotation at backup as an audition of sorts to see what they have in Delia, Lankinen, and even Tomkins?

Subban, too, if he's re-signed. But if he's on the team next season, then he's likely the undisputed backup while the other 3 marinate more in the AHL.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Sep 23 @ 6:12 PM ET
Dark horse choice for the Hawks. Can't recall which poster mentioned him, but William Wallander is a pure boom or bust pick. He is very raw but uber talented.
- Elbows15

Wallinder has been climbing the rankings lately. I'd gamble on him as a 2nd round pick or later but not the 1st round.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Sep 23 @ 6:15 PM ET
Thanks for the info on how the bonus overage could possibly be split across two seasons. That would be helpful as you pointed out.

I also have a gut feeling the Hawks will pick a forward with the 1st round pick. The defensemen who I would take in the opening round likely won't be available by 17th, (i.e. Drysdale, Sanderson, and Schneider).

The other defenders (i.e. Guhle, Wallinder, Barron) are good to consider but would still take a forward over them.

- Theo Fox


I like Lapierre. I think he is like a Saad pick, if he wasn't injured he would of been rated higher. Also like that he is responsible in his own end.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Sep 23 @ 6:33 PM ET
How long before this “raw but Uber talented” skater - even if a “boomer” - gets to the show?
- StLBravesFan

3-4 years but from what I have read, he has Hedman-like potential. Just a reminder it took Hedman a couple of years in the league to become decent before becoming what he is now.

Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Sep 23 @ 6:34 PM ET
Wallinder has been climbing the rankings lately. I'd gamble on him as a 2nd round pick or later but not the 1st round.
- Theo Fox

He isn't going to make it to the 2nd round. Someone is going to take a flyer on him in the 1st based about his raw ability.
DrewDawg
Joined: 05.10.2016

Sep 23 @ 7:01 PM ET
Dark horse choice for the Hawks. Can't recall which poster mentioned him, but William Wallander is a pure boom or bust pick. He is very raw but uber talented.
- Elbows15


I like him also, the size and speed/agility combo sort of reminds me of Thomas Harley of Dallas. I think this draft is heavy with forwards...so the 2nd tier of defensemen which normally might be picked in mid teens will now fall in later 1st round. Which is why I was hoping Stanbo can get a late 1st or early 2nd in this draft. The Hawks really need to draft a LHD to groom to take over for Keith as top pairing. Not sure if Beaudin will be the answer...or solid 2nd pairing.

I still pick a forward at 17 unless Sanderson somehow falls into their lap.
Angotti
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2019

Sep 23 @ 7:11 PM ET
My thinking is that they would desire to be a defensivrly responsible line

I like the strength of each and how they could co.iment each other. Which is in essence what you said. I also like that each is a hungry young player eager to improve and prove their worth. I thought Suter was a tad more willing to engage in physical play. And he might turn out to be as he wants to establish himself

I will Segway here. If Bowman would choose to derive $$$ and cap space he could see how he might improve the team by letting Crawford go and trading Saad. The Saad being moved is not really what I want to do. But his salary and job could be replaced by Hagel.

The money you save: Goes to Markstrom if he is available. I suggest if Vancouver really wants to draft a dman because Tanev leaves, they trade Markstrom or Demko for our 17th. Does ther r really need to be other things added to this trade? No? Then Vancouver trades their own #1 plus ours to get a higher $1 (draft Sanderson or Drysdale). The Canucks would get a #2 in either 2020 or 2021 when they trade two #1 picks for the higher #1 pick

This is reality thinking although perhaps the exact terms or players may not be a good enough fit.

We should cease talking about adding bottom line players vis - a- vis free agency or trades though because Bowman has said he wants to go with youth. Cheaper that way and necessary too with the salary cap.

My hope is that we can shed Carpentar and Smith the sooner the better.

- jhawk59

Jhawk, the Hawks are not in a position to be trading their #1 pick, especially for a goalie.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Sep 23 @ 7:15 PM ET
Jhawk, the Hawks are not in a position to be trading their #1 pick, especially for a goalie.
- Angotti


Exactly, why i proposed getting Toronto's 15th for Murphy, then the Hawks have 2 mid first round picks. Also, it is a buyers market on goalies this year, you have #1's, veteran back-ups, fallen #1's, goalies on the market to create cap space etc. and not enough teams with openings (or cap space for the #1's)
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Sep 23 @ 7:35 PM ET
I like Lapierre. I think he is like a Saad pick, if he wasn't injured he would of been rated higher. Also like that he is responsible in his own end.
- LAHawk

That's a good comparable. Lapierre has been praised as one of the best two-way players in the draft.

His injury history will scare some teams so something to keep an eye on but he can be a boon for whoever drafts him if he does have a clean bill of health moving forward.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Sep 23 @ 7:50 PM ET
He isn't going to make it to the 2nd round. Someone is going to take a flyer on him in the 1st based about his raw ability.
- Elbows15

That is the likey scenario. Part of me can see Bowman really liking Wallinder but perhaps Kelley and the scouting crew have other candidates in mind for 17th.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Sep 23 @ 7:53 PM ET
I like him also, the size and speed/agility combo sort of reminds me of Thomas Harley of Dallas. I think this draft is heavy with forwards...so the 2nd tier of defensemen which normally might be picked in mid teens will now fall in later 1st round. Which is why I was hoping Stanbo can get a late 1st or early 2nd in this draft. The Hawks really need to draft a LHD to groom to take over for Keith as top pairing. Not sure if Beaudin will be the answer...or solid 2nd pairing.

I still pick a forward at 17 unless Sanderson somehow falls into their lap.

- DrewDawg

That sounds like a good way to characterize the 1st round, i.e. deep in forwards to the point of pushing many D prospects to the late 1st round and into the 2nd; otherwise, these blueliners would be taken a lot higher.
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Sep 23 @ 7:57 PM ET
Jhawk, the Hawks are not in a position to be trading their #1 pick, especially for a goalie.
- Angotti

The options to play goaltender for the Chicago Blackhawks after the next two years are?

An improving young team after two years chooses among whom to be their goaltender?. A veteran, a netminder past his prime, a weak #1 like Elliot if he was thrust into that role, or Mrzack (Carolina). The time to get a young goaltender is when you might have an opportunity to get him And the cost is not one or more of our top young players through trade.

Now I admit we may not pluck our future goaltender even moving up just to #14-15. That is why you can consider conditional trades - but the cost to make such a trade may not be worth it. At least check into it. The odds to draft and develop a goaltender whom one day ascends to a #1 capable NHL goaltender - not too good if this is a mid round drafted player.

Angotti sooner or later you pay a high price to obtain a top goaltender. I understand it is unlikely we could get this Russian kid. I am willing to go with Crawford and in house AHL candidates as back up. Do you think a top goaltender is going to become available via trade or free agency and we can afford him? That is dreaming. Finding a top goaltender to draft is my preference. And because we probably won't get to draft top rated prospect goaltender in any draft unless the cards fall just right, we are not looking at anything but mediocrity to maybe half descent goaltending in the years following Crawford

I guess you can hope to win with an Osgood type.
wizardofi
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Maple Ridge, BC
Joined: 04.17.2011

Sep 23 @ 7:57 PM ET
Looks like Ottawa is moving on from Anderson. Guess all those pining for him for years have a chance for him to finally land here.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Sep 23 @ 8:24 PM ET
Looks like Ottawa is moving on from Anderson. Guess all those pining for him for years have a chance for him to finally land here.
- wizardofi


Wasn't that mostly the former blogger who basically liked him better than Crawford? Cause you know...Crow's the Hawk version of Chris Osgood.
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Sep 23 @ 8:32 PM ET
That is the likey scenario. Part of me can see Bowman really liking Wallinder but perhaps Kelley and the scouting crew have other candidates in mind for 17th.
- Theo Fox

If they go for Wallinder - who apparently needs significant development time - doesn’t that send the wrong message to Kane, Toews, Keith - that “we’re looking four-five years out, not two or three”?
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Sep 23 @ 8:55 PM ET
Exactly, why i proposed getting Toronto's 15th for Murphy, then the Hawks have 2 mid first round picks. Also, it is a buyers market on goalies this year, you have #1's, veteran back-ups, fallen #1's, goalies on the market to create cap space etc. and not enough teams with openings (or cap space for the #1's)
- LAHawk

I don't have a problem trading Murphy for a decent #1. He misses a lot of games, won't cost under $4m forever.
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