But Rust was scoring 40+ points on a 82 game average. Fast is barely breaking 30. I'd say his numbers look Tanevesque.

Maybe I'm being too harsh, but I'd like a little more scoring from 3RW, especially since bottom six scoring was an issue.
- Hockey66

He was also playing next to Crosby and Malkin. Something Fast has not had the luxury of. Sheary had 53 points playing next to Crosby. Crosby and Malkin can still set up players and improve their stats. I don't really seem Strome at the same level which makes his 29 points in 69 games not as terrible. He also blocks shots and hits. He is like a better version of Turbo.

He was also playing next to Crosby and Malkin. Something Fast has not had the luxury of. Sheary had 53 points playing next to Crosby. Crosby and Malkin can still set up players and improve their stats. I don't really seem Strome at the same level which makes his 29 points in 69 games not as terrible. He also blocks shots and hits. He is like a better version of Turbo.
- 123Kid

Ok, I'll take your word for it.

Well, I'm off to bed and I can't wait to see what present Old Saint JR leaves for me when I wake up.

...wouldn't you have all the details such as insurance figured out before trying to have a trade approved?


I think thats BS and someone got cold feet hahah. JR, Cats GM or Horny.

Ok, I'll take your word for it.

Well, I'm off to bed and I can't wait to see what present Old Saint JR leaves for me when I wake up.
- Hockey66

You either work nights or are located in Europe ...

You either work nights or are located in Europe ...
- MattStrat

The first one. I'm a self-employed night owl.

But Rust was scoring 40+ points on a 82 game average. Fast is barely breaking 30. I'd say his numbers look Tanevesque.

Maybe I'm being too harsh, but I'd like a little more scoring from 3RW, especially since bottom six scoring was an issue.
- Hockey66

Rust before did score a little more though he had more consistent top 6 time and this would have easily been Fast's third 30 point season. But he plays that type of role or as someone else said Hagelin if you prefer.

I'd actually at least try him with Crosby and Guentzel and use Kapanen to boost the 3rd line scoring if we got him.

...wouldn't you have all the details such as insurance figured out before trying to have a trade approved?


I think thats BS and someone got cold feet hahah. JR, Cats GM or Horny.
- MattStrat

Funny, I thought of that, too.

Rust before did score a little more though he had more consistent top 6 time and this would have easily been Fast's third 30 point season. But he plays that type of role or as someone else said Hagelin if you prefer.

I'd actually at least try him with Crosby and Guentzel and use Kapanen to boost the 3rd line scoring if we got him.
- Tojo.

Hmmm...that sounds interesting. Good call.

I wonder if Matheson continues to be our target if the Hornqvist deal falls through? Or if Hornqvist was just a cap dump? I wouldn't mind trying a Matheson with salary retained for JJ + type of deal.

I still have this gut feeling if the Florida deal doesn't work out. That Hornqvist is going to end up in Nashville to finish his career where he started. I could definitely see a Hornqvist for Turris type of trade happening. Turris is a R handed option and a 3rd center fit.

Or maybe a trade with Minnesota Hornqvist for Parise with money retained. It would provide us with a player who likes to play in front of the net, but also would add a different element with his ability to create offense. It would definitely add to our bottom 6 in terms of scoring. With his decreased playing time on the ice it could also add to his longevity.
- 123Kid

If they just want to be rid of what might be a worse contract, I'd ask if they want to just swap Matheson and JJ, I'd look into it. Maybe just taking on the extra years makes them happy enough to even the cap a bit?

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- bochangs

What is this random cryptic message/post I'm trying to decipher this morning....

...wouldn't you have all the details such as insurance figured out before trying to have a trade approved?


I think thats BS and someone got cold feet hahah. JR, Cats GM or Horny.
- MattStrat

I think it was Friedman who said the new GM Ziti was with a team that got burned by the insurance issue from a player like Horton (might not be him) so it's something he wants to avoid. I don't know how complicated it is.

From what I gather, this just got out before it was a done deal. Hornqvist's NTC might still be in play. Not that hard to believe since it just happened to us last year.

On one side of my brain I'm hoping this trade falls through. The other side makes me think, "But wait, could the replacement move be worse?"

On one side of my brain I'm hoping this trade falls through. The other side makes me think, "But wait, could the replacement move be worse?"
- Rinosaur

This trade might work both ways tbh. Hörnqvist is breaking down due to his style of play and we can't pretend he's been awesome the last couple years. We only hope Matheson can be good for his price tag.

...wouldn't you have all the details such as insurance figured out before trying to have a trade approved?


I think thats BS and someone got cold feet hahah. JR, Cats GM or Horny.
- MattStrat

Happened with Heatley a number of years back, too.

He basically demanded a trade, so they worked out a trade for him and announced it (thinking Oilers?), and he then refused to waive his NTC.

...wouldn't you have all the details such as insurance figured out before trying to have a trade approved?


I think thats BS and someone got cold feet hahah. JR, Cats GM or Horny.
- MattStrat

I wonder if there could be an issue with Hornquists NTC as it pertains to expansion? If Florida was expecting he waived his NTC but in actuality he changed his accepted trade list could that be an issue? I dont know. I dont recall a trade ever being put on pause like this with no real information.

I wonder if there could be an issue with Hornquists NTC as it pertains to expansion? If Florida was expecting he waived his NTC but in actuality he changed his accepted trade list could that be an issue? I dont know. I dont recall a trade ever being put on pause like this with no real information.
- MacPatty

NTC's don't have any effect on the expansion draft, only NMCs.

He was also playing next to Crosby and Malkin. Something Fast has not had the luxury of. Sheary had 53 points playing next to Crosby. Crosby and Malkin can still set up players and improve their stats. I don't really seem Strome at the same level which makes his 29 points in 69 games not as terrible. He also blocks shots and hits. He is like a better version of Turbo.
- 123Kid

Crosby and Malkin don’t really increase players statistics anymore. There was a study year or ago about that.

This trade might work both ways tbh. Hörnqvist is breaking down due to his style of play and we can't pretend he's been awesome the last couple years. We only hope Matheson can be good for his price tag.
- Barnaby36

The trade makes no sense for the Pens.

NTC's don't have any effect on the expansion draft, only NMCs.
- jmatchett383

Well, not that then. Thanks for clarifying!

The trade makes no sense for the Pens.
- Rinosaur

At face value it certainly doesn't. There is obviously a second move coming right after this is completed.

If it was JJ moving, it would have already happened. Something involving Petterson or Dumo is the only thing that might make sense.

I'll throw a Petterson for Palmeri trade out there. NJ needs LD and Palmeri has been on the trade block for a while.

Would Matheson and Palmeri be better than Petterson and Hornquist? High risk but it sure could be.

Remember what Schultz was being called before going to the Pens? I do. Then he became a key piece to two cup wins.

Is it at all remotely possible that Matheson could be a Shultz 2.0 (1.5 seasons before bad injuries) for the Pens?

EDIT: Schultz's Oiler numbers look eerily similar to Matheson's Panther numbers...and at around same ages too.

Remember what Schultz was being called before going to the Pens? I do. Then he became a key piece to two cup wins.

Is it at all remotely possible that Matheson could be a Shultz 2.0 (1.5 seasons before bad injuries) for the Pens?

EDIT: Schultz's Oiler numbers look eerily similar to Matheson's Panther numbers...and at around same ages too.
- MattStrat

I made the same point but the difference is Schultz had to prove himself while we are taking on Matheson with a 6 year, $30M remaining contract. Hope it works out.

Remember what Schultz was being called before going to the Pens? I do. Then he became a key piece to two cup wins.

Is it at all remotely possible that Matheson could be a Shultz 2.0 (1.5 seasons before bad injuries) for the Pens?

EDIT: Schultz's Oiler numbers look eerily similar to Matheson's Panther numbers...and at around same ages too.
- MattStrat

Schultz’s play didn’t change when he came to Pittsburgh. His role did. He went from an overplayed 1D with ridiculous expectations on his shoulders to a sheltered 3D (and sheltered 2D for the second cup) and that’s what led to his brief success here in Pittsbugh before JJ sunk his game.

He didn’t get better, he was always the same player. His mistakes were limited due to deployment.

I made the same point but the difference is Schultz had to prove himself while we are taking on Matheson with a 6 year, $30M remaining contract. Hope it works out.
- MacPatty

Thats true. His cap hit was 3.9, that the Oiler retained 50% of, on an expiring contract when he was traded for. Big difference.