Im not sure if you can completely obsolve the player from the expectations he set and hasnt lived up too (yet)?

I love dahlin, I have a dahlin shirtzee .

Did you personally think he would score more than 4 goals in year 2?

He's just a kid. And will probably explode on the scene next year.

But, 4 goals was below my expectations
- Boss34

Well what are his comparison players?

People were calling him the next Nick Lidstrom, yes?

Lidstrom had 3 more goals in 25 more games in his second season, and he was 22, not 19. I think his career turned out OK.

Trading/losing good players always works. Briere/Drury/Hasek/ROR

Hell, we got Tyler Ennis for Brian Campbell. Brilliant. Miller got us Chris Stewart and Zemgus(?)

Jesus christ, at some point the Buffalo Sabres and their fans will figure out that you should keep good players and try to (frank)ing win.
- jcragcrumple

Elliotte Friedman on SN960 on if he thinks Eichel gets moved before next season "No I don't, and the main reason I think he's not going to get moved is because they've already paid him a $7.5M bonus... His salary this year is $2.5M. It makes no sense for Buffalo to do that."

"Like why would you trade him if you've already paid him 75% of his salary? And I think that's what Buffalo has told teams. That there's no point in us doing that right now, we've already invested this much in him... But I think that this is a story to watch"

"They went out and got Eric Staal. That made them a better team. But if this year doesn't go Buffalo's way, then I think it's going to be one to watch. Like I heard some of the teams that reached out to them never even got into offers cause it never even got that far"

"But I think Buffalo knows now, who's interested, and who's serious? And I think that this is all ground work for the future in case they have to revisit it. But Buffalo did indicate y'know '7.5M paid, why would we do that?' It doesn't make any sense for them"

It's pretty sad that the MAIN reason he won't get traded before next year is the bonus and not that he is a great hockey player that they want to keep. But perhaps it's becauseJack wants out. It takes two to tango even though the Sabres have the leverage with the contract.

In regards to the dumb conversation, that I was having with other posters?

Just me though, the thread is littered with trade talks involving eichel.

Sabres havent "won" too many trades since darcy left.

Wilson for warner for Drury
- Boss34

Fair enough. I inserted myself into the conversation.

I will add a final "horrible, terrible, very bad idea" and leave you to the conversation

Any qbs in Denver throwing for 4,000 yards (combined) this season .

Hey if the Broncos run the ball well and play good defense, they might win 2 games
- Boss34

What does this have anything to do with Allen, you attack Pegs because he adds a little common sense to the conversation.

I'd prefer the first deal, get an excellent center in Mika, Lafreniere and a defenseman.
I think it's imperative a center comes back in the deal and not just any center.
- Leninthebuff

Fox is more than just a defenseman. He deserved Norris consideration this past season, as he was that good.

Dahlin accomplished a heck of a lot more in his first 2 seasons then Allen did.

Allen has made several improvements in year 3.

Dahlin will too.

Dahlin broke several records for a teenage d-man.

Allen ranked 32/32 out of QB’s in every accuracy statistic and failed to put a Houston Texans team away while Bill O’Brian coached quite possibly the worst possible game I’ve ever seen and still managed to win.

Allen had as much to do with the success of that Bills team last year as Blake Bortles did when the Jags went to the AFC championship game in 2017.

Yet Dahlin stinks because we couldn’t make the playoffs ?

You’re logic is fundamentally flawed.

I’m not going to dispute what I have seen from
Allen these first three weeks as he has been playing very well, the only similarity between Josh this year and years past is still has the same name. Completely different QB.
- Pegullaville

Qb Accuracy statistics and defenseman assists are part of the players games. Not of of their game.

Rushing tds and goals are other aspects of a players overall makeup. Respectively.

How many teenage defenseman had 4 goals in a season in the last 40 years?

Just like allen can run, dahlin can pass the puck
Allen now is an above average thrower, when will dahlin be an above average goal scorer?

He scored 4 goals and we came in 25th place
Allen played well , Bill's won 10 games kid.

Winning is the most important thing still right?

Or is that when its convenient?
- Boss34

Here's the problem with goal scoring
Girgs
Larry
Frolik
Vesey
Mojo
Skinner
.
.
.
Virtually everyone outside Jack, Sam and Olo

I’m not ready to extrapolate an entire season’s worth of stats based off 2 games vs bad teams,
and a good half against what I’d consider a middle of the road team

4,000yds doesn’t mean sh!t anymore either
Over half the league does that I’d guess

Allen has looked good so far this season
Emphasis on “so far”
I wanna see him play this way the rest of the season
And i wanna see him beat good teams

Don’t see anything wrong with that
- jdfitz77

If you take the fact that he threw his 3rd TD pass with 6 and a half minutes left in Q3 and the last drive started with about 4-4.5 to go, it was one quarter of bad football, not a half.

https://www.fiveforhowlin...it-arizona-coyotes-raanta

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/antti-raanta

Raanta makes sense from a quality standpoint and contract standpoint, as he only has 1 year left on his deal and even though his cap hit is $4.25M, his actual salary is only $2M as Arizona paid his $2M bonus.

Elliotte Friedman on SN960 on if he thinks Eichel gets moved before next season "No I don't, and the main reason I think he's not going to get moved is because they've already paid him a $7.5M bonus... His salary this year is $2.5M. It makes no sense for Buffalo to do that."

"Like why would you trade him if you've already paid him 75% of his salary? And I think that's what Buffalo has told teams. That there's no point in us doing that right now, we've already invested this much in him... But I think that this is a story to watch"

"They went out and got Eric Staal. That made them a better team. But if this year doesn't go Buffalo's way, then I think it's going to be one to watch. Like I heard some of the teams that reached out to them never even got into offers cause it never even got that far"

"But I think Buffalo knows now, who's interested, and who's serious? And I think that this is all ground work for the future in case they have to revisit it. But Buffalo did indicate y'know '7.5M paid, why would we do that?' It doesn't make any sense for them"

It's pretty sad that the MAIN reason he won't get traded before next year is the bonus and not that he is a great hockey player that they want to keep. But perhaps it's becauseJack wants out. It takes two to tango even though the Sabres have the leverage with the contract.
- GilPerreault11

That's Friedman’s opinion.

That's all.

Well what are his comparison players?

People were calling him the next Nick Lidstrom, yes?

Lidstrom had 3 more goals in 25 more games in his second season, and he was 22, not 19. I think his career turned out OK.
- Powerslave

I think it's fair to compare dahiln to some if the other young defenseman.

Heiskinin
Hughes
Makar

Check out the playoff stats.

Difference makers for their teams


Your
Lindstrom point is spot on 👍

Thought I heard ray bourque's name though too?
410 career goals

Mika would be great. I'd still take Byfield with 1st, then pray that Holtz falls in their lap.

Skinner - Mika Z - Rhino
Olofsson - Staal - Anderson
Kahun - Cozens - Smith

Next season,
Cozens moves up
Byfield replaces Cozens at C3
Holtz joins the team
Sam traded

Skinner - Mika Z - Anderson
Olofsson- Cozens - Holtz
Kahun - Byfield - Smith

Then watch out...
- IonSabres

That’s a tough one. Laf is pretty far ahead of Byfield. Like Ovechkin good. He was over two points a game last year. I know Byfield was close, but Laf has done it for a longer time

That's Friedman’s opinion.

That's all.
- Powerslave

I think there is something there that some have chosen to ignore or say there isn't.

I agree with some this is going to be an exciting offseason in that they are going to make some moves to try to make this team a winner.

I think it's fair to compare dahiln to some if the other young defenseman.

Heiskinin
Hughes
Makar

Check out the playoff stats.

Difference makers for their teams


Your
Lindstrom point is spot on 👍

Thought I heard ray bourque's name though too?
410 career goals
- Boss34

Ray Bourque played in an era where the goalies weren't all 6'4" and didn't wear pads like linebackers.

Heiskanen, Hughes, Makar. Look at their supporting casts. It does make a huge difference.

How many years did it take for Hedman to figure it out?

Dahlin is who he is. He'll figure it out, too.

Fair enough. I inserted myself into the conversation.

I will add a final "horrible, terrible, very bad idea" and leave you to the conversation
- jcragcrumple

You're the best crags .

And I agree with your posts. You've been killing it in regards to the Bill's posts. (Seriously)

Its dumb to trade a talent as great as eichel.
The return will never be enough.

If he wants out, what do you do? Seriously wants out, like make a big stink out?

Why would he want to stay?
Turn a franchise around or go to NY city?

https://www.fiveforhowling.com/platform/amp/2020/9/28/21492151/buffalo-sabres-fit-arizona-coyotes-raanta

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/antti-raanta

Raanta makes sense from a quality standpoint and contract standpoint, as he only has 1 year left on his deal and even though his cap hit is $4.25M, his actual salary is only $2M as Arizona paid his $2M bonus.
- kingcong39

Wonder what kinda picks they are looking for.

What does this have anything to do with Allen, you attack Pegs because he adds a little common sense to the conversation.
- Buff36

Follow along fella

Flaccoville loves the Broncos
He comes hear and talks poop about the Bill's
Predicted a good Denver team that would run the ball and play good defense. (The only way to win in the nfl)

His team sucks. Just like a buddy in high school. That's his team, it's fun to jab guys who jab.

Hope this clears it up

Here's the problem with goal scoring
Girgs
Larry
Frolik
Vesey
Mojo
Skinner
.
.
.
Virtually everyone outside Jack, Sam and Olo
- IonSabres

Skins should bounce back, but great point

That's why we need dahkin to score goals.

More than other teams, we lack goal scorers

He actually has the talent to score.

The Larry's lack that ability

I think there is something there that some have chosen to ignore or say there isn't.

I agree with some this is going to be an exciting offseason in that they are going to make some moves to try to make this team a winner.
- GilPerreault11

Well, if the stories do have legs, then they'd better make this offseason count.

Go (frank) yourself dude

Why cant he be a goal scorer?

He's underachieving (frank)face
- Boss34

Sorry u can’t accept it
But very few defensemen are “goal scorers”
And DEFENSEmen don’t have to score goals to be excellent players

Im not sure if you can completely obsolve the player from the expectations he set and hasnt lived up too (yet)?

I love dahlin, I have a dahlin shirtzee .

Did you personally think he would score more than 4 goals in year 2?

He's just a kid. And will probably explode on the scene next year.

But, 4 goals was below my expectations
- Boss34

No one cares

He just did this 24 hours ago against a 2-0 team that was in the Super Bowl two years ago.

And again, 4,000 flat would be a pretty big dive.

He’s been flat out incredible so far. And I’m not sure the Dolphins are “bad” this season. They played NE tight, almost beat us, and killed Jacksonville
- sbroads24

Rams were 9-7 last year
I don’t consider that “good”

Let’s just see what the rest of the season brings
I see no reason to make any declarations at all after ONLY 3 games

Follow along fella

Flaccoville loves the Broncos
He comes hear and talks poop about the Bill's
Predicted a good Denver team that would run the ball and play good defense. (The only way to win in the nfl)

His team sucks. Just like a buddy in high school. That's his team, it's fun to jab guys who jab.

Hope this clears it up
- Boss34

Once Von Miller went down I said the Broncos would be lucky to go 9-7.

Then Lock, Sutton, Lindsay, Bouye, Casey, all sustained long term injuries and Ja’Quan James opted out.

Take your starting QB, #1 DB, RT, two pro bowl pass rushers, pro bowl RB, and Pro bowl WR off your team and we’ll see how the Bills do.

I also said with average QB play last year the Broncos had a chance to go 9-7 and they went 7-9 with Flacco and Allen being far from average and Lock only playing 6 games.

You make fun of my philosophy yet the Bills followed it to a tee last year. Titans and 49ers also. All three had success.

That's Friedman’s opinion.

That's all.
- Powerslave

But it makes sense, if ROR was paid the 7.5M bonus would he have been traded? It was a rush deal to not pay that 7.5M and the Sabres got butt franked for it

Follow along fella

Flaccoville loves the Broncos
He comes hear and talks poop about the Bill's
Predicted a good Denver team that would run the ball and play good defense. (The only way to win in the nfl)

His team sucks. Just like a buddy in high school. That's his team, it's fun to jab guys who jab.

Hope this clears it up
- Boss34

Ok there fella, what jabs has he taken at the Bill's, cause he pointed out that Allen’s numbers were not so good the first couple years, that are defense played pretty good the last couple years. Constructive Criticism, pretty much everything he said was right, even given Allen props for how well he's played this year.