I legit think JR had the deal mostly done before asking... but only because its JR and I hate how hes done deals the last three years.
- Guile

It's also the Pens organization to some degree. The way they ended the whole Shero era was widely regarded as kind of poopty. At least to my recollection.

That draft is loaded. Wright. Savoie. Lambert.
- Feds91Stammer

Well see! JR is ten steps ahead. He's guaranteeing we stink for that draft.

It's also the Pens organization to some degree. The way they ended the whole Shero era was widely regarded as kind of poopty. At least to my recollection.
- Rinosaur

Well we know they worked the first Kessel deal for Zucker without asking him ahead of time since it was vetoed after the details got leaked. That would be a nonbiased reasoning to my JR trade methology.

Well we know they worked the first Kessel deal for Zucker without asking him ahead of time since it was vetoed after the details got leaked. That would be a nonbiased reasoning to my JR trade methology.
- Guile

Yup, and while that deal would have sent JJ out of town I totally respect Phil saying go (frank) yourself. Phil is a different kind of person though. I've always loved how outspoken and fearless with the media he is. He truly doesn't give a poop.

Yup, and while that deal would have sent JJ out of town I totally respect Phil saying go (frank) yourself. Phil is a different kind of person though. I've always loved how outspoken and fearless with the media he is.
- Rinosaur

I forgot JJ was included in that deal

I forgot JJ was included in that deal
- Guile

LOL yup. Probably the one and only time the Pens could have moved him out of town that easily.

Well see! JR is ten steps ahead. He's guaranteeing we stink for that draft.
- Rinosaur

Honestly I’m afraid Detroit is finally going to get a top pick in 2021 and then miss out on the studs in 2022.

Honestly I’m afraid Detroit is finally going to get a top pick in 2021 and then miss out on the studs in 2022.
- Feds91Stammer

Of course that's going to happen. 2021 is starting to look a lot like the 2012 draft.

The thing about Matheson is that his micro stats would suggest that he should be better at driving play than he has been. How much of it is playing on an awful team that doesn’t drive play in general? His relative stats aren’t good but they’re also not the absolute worst either. Pretty on par for a bottom pairing d man getting defensive deployment that he’s not built to handle.

Ive talked myself into Matheson maybe being ok from an on ice perspective but the trickle down of tying up so much cap in him is going to be really bad.
- Victoro311

There are some things between micro stats, deployment, decent relatives, and 2018-19 being so bad it skews some models that make me think it's possible Matheson can be salvaged.

The problem is of course they picked up a 30 M contract on a reclamation project at a position they didn't need while making the 3rd line and PP weaker.

I'm not convinced this benches JJ, just that he ends up on the right side if nobody else is traded. And they could have replaced him fine internally anyways. So even if Matheson is fine, as we've almost all said, this wasn't a move they should have made.

Well we know they worked the first Kessel deal for Zucker without asking him ahead of time since it was vetoed after the details got leaked. That would be a nonbiased reasoning to my JR trade methology.
- Guile

It's at least widely speculated Phil requested a trade, he just didn't want to go anywhere but Arizona.

A lot of times GMs give tenured vets a heads up as a sign of respect. Apparently Hornqvist didn't know he was on the block until rumors of this trade surfaced. I'd imagine how people feel about Hornqvist's professionalism and if he deserved a call earlier depends on how they felt about him as a player.

Looks like there's photo evidence. Hockeybuzz is blocking me from embedding the tweet for some reason, but here's the link:

https://twitter.com/grung.../1309711338424459264?s=20

Or he's airing it out before a move.
- Victoro311

Thanks, I had already seen the photo, just wondered if it was for what Kingerski implied, or if he jumped to conclusions. Apparently the latter, just airing the bag out. Not shocking.

That's part of it, but I think in general it's just so they have some control in their future. Regardless, you don't work the deal, have it all ready to go and then go ask the player. Let the player know this is going on.
- Rinosaur

As much as I loathe Brian Burke you are 100% wrong on this. He’s done a segment on this exact issue

Trades are discussed all the time by GMs, you don’t ask a player every time his name comes up in a hypothetical trade. You inform/ask the player when the details are ironed out. If the player refuses (hopefully) the details never get out

You don’t go to a player and ask “Do you think it’s ok if we trade you to Minnesota” then go back and say “Ahhh, nevermind, they didn’t want to give us enough for you”

In this case, it falls onto whoever leaked the details before Florida committed 100%. Could have been Hornqvists wife for all we know telling her friend, or someone on Matheson side. Who knows really, this isn’t necessarily on the Pens or JR

Did anyone read what the Panthers fans have said about sceviour? Pretty much said he's a player theyre going to miss and that he'll fit in. Nothing really negative about him.

Thanks, I had already seen the photo, just wondered if it was for what Kingerski implied, or if he jumped to conclusions. Apparently the latter, just airing the bag out. Not shocking.
- Tojo.

It could just as easy go either way. We all know Hornqvist is an emotional guy, and by all accounts he's pissed off and feels like the Pens kicked him to the curve (go read his quotes). But dumping the equipment in the driveway seems a bit much, especially if he took time to think about whether he'd accept or not like he said he did.

Did anyone read what the Panthers fans have said about sceviour? Pretty much said he's a player theyre going to miss and that he'll fit in. Nothing really negative about him.
- nateca44

Only negative is he isn’t any good. Otherwise he’s great.

Does anyone have the fancy stats for Schultz in his last year with Edmonton compared to Matheson and his last year with Florida?

I feel this is what JR is trying to replicate with this deal

Only negative is he isn’t any good. Otherwise he’s great.
- Feds91Stammer

Like any good as playing in the NHL? Because....he is. So, obviously he's doing something you're not.

Kudos, you can copy a quote from the article about HOW THE TRADE BLINDSIDED HIM. (frank) off, you're a joke.

You can disagree all you want, you inability to read and comprehend anything gives your opinion zero value. Trading JJ doesn't make it a smart trade. Any moron knows to trade JJ. Doing that after his many consecutive years of failure isn't a smart move, its a given move.
- Guile

Okay look here dip-sh!t. You’re saying I am reading and not comprehending. THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT YOU’RE DOING. The point of my post is saying you have no clue what is going on in the GM world! You said Kahun possibility asking for a trade was EK rumor stuff without any facts. I just pointed out him saying he wasn’t thrilled with the system. Not saying he wasn’t blindsided by the trade. Saying he hates the system so bad he wishes he was traded, then getting traded would/could still be a huge surprise.(not saying he said that happened. I’m just pointing out how those two things can happen) And you are right my opinion shouldn’t have any value because yours doesn’t have any value to me. This is an internet forum with a bunch of people talking. Hope you’re not putting a lot of value in strangers posts. Also you can disagree with someone without becoming such a female genitalia.

Okay look here dip-sh!t. You’re saying I am reading and not comprehending. THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT YOU’RE DOING. The point of my post is saying you have no clue what is going on in the GM world! You said Kahun possibility asking for a trade was EK rumor stuff without any facts. I just pointed out him saying he wasn’t thrilled with the system. Not saying he wasn’t blindsided by the trade. Saying he hates the system so bad he wishes he was traded, then getting traded would/could still be a huge surprise.(not saying he said that happened. I’m just pointing out how those two things can happen) And you are right my opinion shouldn’t have any value because yours doesn’t have any value to me. This is an internet forum with a bunch of people talking. Hope you’re not putting a lot of value in strangers posts. Also you can disagree with someone without becoming such a female genitalia.
- Chuck-Norris

That’s not very Chuck Norris of you to be so soff

Okay look here dip-sh!t. You’re saying I am reading and not comprehending. THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT YOU’RE DOING. The point of my post is saying you have no clue what is going on in the GM world! You said Kahun possibility asking for a trade was EK rumor stuff without any facts. I just pointed out him saying he wasn’t thrilled with the system. Not saying he wasn’t blindsided by the trade. Saying he hates the system so bad he wishes he was traded, then getting traded would/could still be a huge surprise.(not saying he said that happened. I’m just pointing out how those two things can happen) And you are right my opinion shouldn’t have any value because yours doesn’t have any value to me. This is an internet forum with a bunch of people talking. Hope you’re not putting a lot of value in strangers posts. Also you can disagree with someone without becoming such a female genitalia.
- Chuck-Norris

Zero evidence of that... so once again... you are a fool. Leave EK Jr.

But before you go, please wipe up your menstrual blood.

That’s not very Chuck Norris of you to be so soff
- 10inchTerror

Okay I really did laugh at this. Touché

Wilson rags constantly about how he hates "defensive defenseman" (ie Tanev, Gudbransson, Scuderi) who don't move the needle offensively

And here we get a guy who can hit, skate, win puck battles, get zone entries and move the needle but also has a few warts, and we got him in essentially a cap neutral move on a guy who we didn't have a use for anymore

Stop calling Hornqvist an effective middle 6. He has zero effectiveness in the BOTTOM 6 where the Penguins would have used him. Geno and Sid DO NOT WANT to play with him in the top 6

Plenty of upside on this move. Younger, Less injury prone, Defenseman (premium position) and the contract length is ZERO issue as it could be 100 years long and it wouldn't effect the next 3 years of window

Matheson can play the point on the powerplay and we can keep Letang minutes (who can't shoot to save his life) for 5v5 play win/win

@TheGame316

100 x this. My exact way of thinking aside from Letang’s shot being so bad lol It doesn’t reek that bad. Very nice to have a guy who can win puck battles and shoot the puck.

Sorry boys. Detroit definitely won’t be taking JJ now.

Like any good as playing in the NHL? Because....he is. So, obviously he's doing something you're not.
- nateca44

Dumbass when anyone says they aren’t good that’s in comparison to their peers not beer leaguers.

Sorry boys. Detroit definitely won’t be taking JJ now.
- Feds91Stammer

Yup. If it took a 2nd to take one year of Staal, the Pens have nothing to sell JJ with.