The only argument I'll throw at the Tanev in the top six argument is Dupuis. I wouldn't expect Tanev to produce much more than he is now, but I think he COULD free up space for Sid or Geno.

If Tanev were to play in the top six I'd rather put him with Geno. I think Tanev-Geno-Rust would be a very tenacious line.

Zucker-McCann-Fast (If the money is there)
- Rinosaur

Duper was more less a 20 goal man with Sid and Kunitz, and that was with no PP time

Tanev is kind of a hybrid, he has the Dupuis Speed and the Kunitz Grinding/Tenacity. Dupuis was making near 4 Million as I recall way back in the 60 Million dollar cap days. It's why I don't get the [email protected] Hate. Matt Cooke was a 15 goal 30 point guy and was over 3 Million FFS

Tanev nets between 15 and 18 goals in the top 6 and opens up a lot of space for others and carries all the PK time. It's worth giving a long term look at

I like that second setup a lot. Having a bonafide scoring line is a good idea especially with slightly more favourable usage. Sids line and the blueger line should be able to hold their own against opposing top 2 lines, with Sid producing still. That’s why I personally don’t mind the Sceviour addition. That was his role in Florida and he can do it here.

With McCann and kap’s speed and 2 way play maybe that will help an internal option like Poulin succeed and play to his strengths while the others cover any liabilities he might bring.
- 10inchTerror

It's even in the end, but Poulin is a pretty good defensive player while Kapanen has poor defensive zone awareness, at least according to the Toronto media and fans. The speed part is why I would like that line, though Ideally I'd have tried to get Fast to play where you have Tanev and keep him on the 4th line.

I don't really dismiss the idea of trying Tanev in that type of role, but I prefer him on the Blueger line and don't think you get the same effect plugging in Sceviour.

It's even in the end, but Poulin is a pretty good defensive player while Kapanen has poor defensive zone awareness, at least according to the Toronto media and fans. The speed part is why I would like that line, though Ideally I'd have tried to get Fast to play where you have Tanev and keep him on the 4th line.

I don't really dismiss the idea of trying Tanev in that type of role, but I prefer him on the Blueger line and don't think you get the same effect plugging in Sceviour.
- Tojo.

Assuming Poulin gets the 3L spot, that would leave the 4th line with Lafferty/Blueger/Sceviour with ZAR out

Assuming Jarry gets around 3.5, That would leave about 2 million in capspace for a FA or a prospect that may come back in a Murray trade if it isn't Lafferty in that spot

It’s the single laziest argument in all sports related arguments. It’s the “I don’t have anything to say, so here’s an irrefutable point that reduces the conversation into nothing.”
- Victoro311

Reduces the conversation? Dude, I was literally making conversation by asking my question and he replied with he's not good. Great rebuttal. Some if you are probably the coolest dudes at parties..

Duper was more less a 20 goal man with Sid and Kunitz, and that was with no PP time

Tanev is kind of a hybrid, he has the Dupuis Speed and the Kunitz Grinding/Tenacity. Dupuis was making near 4 Million as I recall way back in the 60 Million dollar cap days. It's why I don't get the [email protected] Hate. Matt Cooke was a 15 goal 30 point guy and was over 3 Million FFS

Tanev nets between 15 and 18 goals in the top 6 and opens up a lot of space for others and carries all the PK time. It's worth giving a long term look at
- TheGame316

Unless you break Tanevs stats down in analytics and i told you so...there's gonna be haters for Tanev. He's a solid 3rd liner in the NHL. Just like Dupuis, but Crosby liked playing with him.

Unless you break Tanevs stats down in analytics and i told you so...there's gonna be haters for Tanev. He's a solid 3rd liner in the NHL. Just like Dupuis, but Crosby liked playing with him.
- nateca44

Why not put McCann on the wing with Tanev and Blueger. They can used as a two way line. Both offense and defense, offense when behind and defense when leading. There is a lot of goals in that group.

Build a defensive third line out of the spare parts. Sceviour, Lafferty and Poulin, they are cheap and young.

Reduces the conversation? Dude, I was literally making conversation by asking my question and he replied with he's not good. Great rebuttal. Some if you are probably the coolest dudes at parties..
- nateca44

No. Making the comment that he's good because he's in the NHL does not at all contribute to anything. We know that being a professional athlete already puts them in the top .01% of their sport. If that's all you got to say to defend an NHL player, then he does indeed suck comparative to other NHL players.

Why not put McCann on the wing with Tanev and Blueger. They can used as a two way line. Both offense and defense, offense when behind and defense when leading. There is a lot of goals in that group.

Build a defensive third line out of the spare parts. Sceviour, Lafferty and Poulin, they are cheap and young.
- Thunderbolt

I don't think McCann Tanev and Blueger have enough individual offense to produce anything

There just isn't enough finish on that line and there's no one guy who's going to command enough attention to open up space for the other 2

No. Making the comment that he's good because he's in the NHL does not at all contribute to anything. We know that being a professional athlete already puts them in the top .01% of their sport. If that's all you got to say to defend an NHL player, then he does indeed suck comparative to other NHL players.
- Victoro311

I guess you missed the boat. I said, did anyone read what the panthers fans were commenting about him? He's a solid NHL player. He's obviously very good at the pk and pretty decent at short handed goals. Meh...no point in the NHL having players like that huh? Might as well go acquire players like Sidney Crosby for every line 🤷‍♂️

Assuming Poulin gets the 3L spot, that would leave the 4th line with Lafferty/Blueger/Sceviour with ZAR out

Assuming Jarry gets around 3.5, That would leave about 2 million in capspace for a FA or a prospect that may come back in a Murray trade if it isn't Lafferty in that spot
- TheGame316

I don't think I'd use that line much. Lafferty isn't a LW though he's played there a little because we were out of options there. I don't think he or Sceviour are particularly good, so that goes from a line that goes against elites to a line you have to shelter. Which is most 4th lines, I just liked ours having a purpose.

The team really needs to add a forward or 2. I like Poulin's chances, but they shouldn't assume he's on the team. If they didn't have so much tied up in the defense, they could add another middle 6 forward.

I don't think I'd use that line much. Lafferty isn't a LW though he's played there a little because we were out of options there. I don't think he or Sceviour are particularly good, so that goes from a line that goes against elites to a line you have to shelter. Which is most 4th lines, I just liked ours having a purpose.

The team really needs to add a forward or 2. I like Poulin's chances, but they shouldn't assume he's on the team. If they didn't have so much tied up in the defense, they could add another middle 6 forward.
- Tojo.

Zar should be ready for January which is likely when the season starts, or shortly after. I would also give O’Connor a shot to see how he looks at the nhl level over lafferty. Unless a trade or fa signing happens there isn’t much else to use

I guess you missed the boat. I said, did anyone read what the panthers fans were commenting about him? He's a solid NHL player. He's obviously very good at the pk and pretty decent at short handed goals. Meh...no point in the NHL having players like that huh? Might as well go acquire players like Sidney Crosby for every line 🤷‍♂️
- nateca44

By every metric he's terrible at defense, but lets pretend a sec that he is actually a good PKer since 5v5 defensive ability and PK ability don't always go hand in hand. Our PK is already good. Our cap situation is (frank)y right now and we have other needs. What are we doing adding extra cap dollars for a PK specialist? And before you say just burry him: Sceviour's cap hit is such that even sending him down would cost $400k against the cap. We have too many poop contracts to afford that.

So sorry you're butt hurt that no one agrees with you, but Sceviour was a bad acquisition regardless of what Panthers fans think of him.

By every metric he's terrible at defense, but lets pretend a sec that he is actually a good PKer since 5v5 defensive ability and PK ability don't always go hand in hand. Our PK is already good. Our cap situation is (frank)y right now and we have other needs. What are we doing adding extra cap dollars for a PK specialist? And before you say just burry him: Sceviour's cap hit is such that even sending him down would cost $400k against the cap. We have too many poop contracts to afford that.

So sorry you're butt hurt that no one agrees with you, but Sceviour was a bad acquisition regardless of what Panthers fans think of him.
- Victoro311

It took you longer to write that masterpiece than for me to care what you're opinion is. Ill take him over Ashton Reese any day of the week. Thanks.

It took you longer to write that masterpiece than for me to care what you're opinion is. Ill take him over Ashton Reese any day of the week. Thanks.
- nateca44

Aight.

It took you longer to write that masterpiece than for me to care what you're opinion is. Ill take him over Ashton Reese any day of the week. Thanks.
- nateca44

LOL Who the eff is Ashton? Ohhhh I get it. We're being punked!

LOL Who the eff is Ashton? Ohhhh I get it. We're being punked!
- Rinosaur

Watching Army of Darkness right now.

LOL Who the eff is Ashton? Ohhhh I get it. We're being punked!
- Rinosaur

Lol, boom pow bing.

I don't think I'd use that line much. Lafferty isn't a LW though he's played there a little because we were out of options there. I don't think he or Sceviour are particularly good, so that goes from a line that goes against elites to a line you have to shelter. Which is most 4th lines, I just liked ours having a purpose.

The team really needs to add a forward or 2. I like Poulin's chances, but they shouldn't assume he's on the team. If they didn't have so much tied up in the defense, they could add another middle 6 forward.
- Tojo.

At this point, I would look to trade Petts and somehow get rid of JJ - that's $7.3M right there. Use that to get a kick-ass 3C or top 6 winger. Stick Matheson at 2LD, Riikola at 3LD (or vice versa), POJ as 4LD and hope for the best.

Watching Army of Darkness right now.
- Victoro311

How awesome is it?

Got a 10lb pork butt prepped for tomorrow. Got some hickory and apple wood chips.
- Feds91Stammer

nice. let me know how it goes.

How awesome is it?
- Rinosaur

The camp is unbearable. I love it.

nice. let me know how it goes.
- Blackstrom2

Was hoping it would go quicker and didn’t bother to wake up to early. I’ve raised temp a bit and just wrapped it at the 10 hour mark. Next time I will plan more ahead of time and try to find a smaller pork butt.

By every metric he's terrible at defense, but lets pretend a sec that he is actually a good PKer since 5v5 defensive ability and PK ability don't always go hand in hand. Our PK is already good. Our cap situation is (frank)y right now and we have other needs. What are we doing adding extra cap dollars for a PK specialist? And before you say just burry him: Sceviour's cap hit is such that even sending him down would cost $400k against the cap. We have too many poop contracts to afford that.

So sorry you're butt hurt that no one agrees with you, but Sceviour was a bad acquisition regardless of what Panthers fans think of him.
- Victoro311

Sceivour definitely seemed like an unnecessary add, especially considering we have ZAR, Simon and a bunch of guys in who are about nhl ready.

I just think this all has to elude to a bigger move that is being worked. I dont know if the Pens have the juice for it but the biggest possible move would be going for Laine. Would Petterson, Rust, a 1st and Legare get it done? Would that be too much?

The camp is unbearable. I love it.
- Victoro311

Love that movie.

Sceivour definitely seemed like an unnecessary add, especially considering we have ZAR, Simon and a bunch of guys in who are about nhl ready.

I just think this all has to elude to a bigger move that is being worked. I dont know if the Pens have the juice for it but the biggest possible move would be going for Laine. Would Petterson, Rust, a 1st and Legare get it done? Would that be too much?
- MacPatty

Simon is probably as good as gone and I wouldn't count on ZAR for anything this year - he is a marginal NHLer coming off a major injury. I'm not sure why JR felt the need to give him 2 years instead of 1, but here we are.