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Nasty_Duck
Boston Bruins
Location: ON
Joined: 06.20.2012

Sep 28 @ 12:33 AM ET
I think New Jersey would make the ideal trade partner as I previously posted.
- TheUltimateJet


You can't be serious.

Looks like you are asking for their 1C and also including a 3M salary dump from Win end.


bruceflyers
Joined: 06.16.2012

Sep 28 @ 12:49 AM ET
For Laine...

I’d be willing to give up ghost, JVR, and a conditional 5th rounder.

Let me sleep on it...
storm88
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Surrey, BC
Joined: 09.29.2011

Sep 28 @ 12:53 AM ET
Forget Ghost as he's mistake prone Flyer signing mistake that has trouble staying in their lineup and the Jets have enough 5/6 d-men. Provorov, Patrick, if he passes a physical, and either Frost or a 1st get the Jets to listen as you know that Laine is a special talent that don't come on the market very often.
- islansjet


omg

storm88
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Surrey, BC
Joined: 09.29.2011

Sep 28 @ 1:00 AM ET
Done Deal! Gost, Patrick and a first for Laine Make the offer offical and we can advise trade central Some Flyer fans might not like this but if I a GM this gets done without hesitation.
- joegreif17


An offensive D (poor defensively) that has fallen off the cliff
An injury prone (career at risk) C
A late 1st....

Peg says no Al.


I haven't read all the posts but what about a deal involving Byram in COL?
Hesh_
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.29.2013

Sep 28 @ 1:24 AM ET
An offensive D (poor defensively) that has fallen off the cliff
An injury prone (career at risk) C
A late 1st....

Peg says no Al.


I haven't read all the posts but what about a deal involving Byram in COL?

- storm88


It could never be Ghost. It would have to start with Sanheim. Plus a 1st, another decent pick, and likely a high prospect like Frost, York, or Brink.

And Philly won’t do it. The cap situation doesn’t work for them, and frankly I seriously doubt they want to lose Sanheim plus all the accoutrements.

Just forget Ghost was even mentioned by Ek. Can we do that please? Just toss it from your gourds. Never happened.
Kooleus
Los Angeles Kings
Location: LA (home of King Alex), CA
Joined: 11.17.2018

Sep 28 @ 2:10 AM ET
It could never be Ghost. It would have to start with Sanheim. Plus a 1st, another decent pick, and likely a high prospect like Frost, York, or Brink.

And Philly won’t do it. The cap situation doesn’t work for them, and frankly I seriously doubt they want to lose Sanheim plus all the accoutrements.

Just forget Ghost was even mentioned by Ek. Can we do that please? Just toss it from your gourds. Never happened.

- Hesh_


Ek just reports what he hears. So if sources are talking about Ghost + JVR for Gaudreau...then it's time to accept that this has some legs. Maybe it doesn't happen, but obviously the teams are talking about this together. JVR would help the Calgary PP. Gio-Ghost as a top pair is scary good.
Hesh_
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.29.2013

Sep 28 @ 3:40 AM ET
Thanks, Kooleus
13sundin13
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.29.2006

Sep 28 @ 4:18 AM ET
MONTREAL OFFER FOR LAINE...IS.......

DOMI
PEOHLING
CHARIOT OR KULAK
FIRST 2020
2ND 2021

- brizer

I would think any offer for Laine from the Habs would have to include either Kotkaniemi or Suzuki as a starting point to get it done. A bunch of average to above average pieces won't do much for the Jets, they have plenty of that. They need a talent that with a similar pedigree to Laine otherwise they might as well keep him.
brizer
Joined: 02.03.2010

Sep 28 @ 5:16 AM ET
I would think any offer for Laine from the Habs would have to include either Kotkaniemi or Suzuki as a starting point to get it done. A bunch of average to above average pieces won't do much for the Jets, they have plenty of that. They need a talent that with a similar pedigree to Laine otherwise they might as well keep him.
- 13sundin13

zero chance on that for sure
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Sep 28 @ 7:36 AM ET
To OTT
Alexander Georgiev

To WPG
Anthony Deangelo
Pavel Buchnevich
2020 1st (NYR via CAR) - 22nd overall pick
2020 2nd (OTT) - 33rd overall pick


To NYR
Patrik Laine

- AlfieisKing


that's a terrible trade for Ottawa. Hogberg is probably as good as Georgiev right now, and we have 2-3 guys who project to be better within a couple of years. plus, there are better guys who are UFAs that we could sign if Nilsson isn't healthy. why waste our 2nd rd pick on a guy who's not even a starting goalie on 80% of the teams in the NHL
MONSTERSofMETALZ
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not in town, QC
Joined: 09.05.2006

Sep 28 @ 7:38 AM ET
Laine is no were near worth 2 first rounders and a top prospect. He’s a good player but he reminds me of Max Pacioretty with MTL. A 30-40 goals scorers that does 60-70pts a year. He’s no McDavid or Matthews.
He has too many weakness imo. Offensive minded RW, the only difference with Max is he’s RW instead of LW.

Yes I’d welcome him with a team like MTL, but I wouldn’t pay that price if I was any team.
brandxbeer138
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ON
Joined: 07.24.2019

Sep 28 @ 7:52 AM ET
No and like usual we will be surprised what they get. As a habs fan Domi, 2020 1st, Kulak/Mete/ or Julsen and a conditional 2nd round pick if he signs. He hasn't really done much in the NHL to warrant much more. Draft positions mean nothing and Winnipeg would be dealing from a disadvantage. Just my opinion though.
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Sep 28 @ 8:19 AM ET
No and like usual we will be surprised what they get. As a habs fan Domi, 2020 1st, Kulak/Mete/ or Julsen and a conditional 2nd round pick if he signs. He hasn't really done much in the NHL to warrant much more. Draft positions mean nothing and Winnipeg would be dealing from a disadvantage. Just my opinion though.
- brandxbeer138


I mean, he's scored more goals than almost anyone in the entire league since he started.....so he's probably worth more than the pretty underwhelming package you offered. he would instantly be the best player the Habs have, so it would probably take more than spare parts and conditional picks to get him.
brandxbeer138
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ON
Joined: 07.24.2019

Sep 28 @ 9:13 AM ET
I mean, he's scored more goals than almost anyone in the entire league since he started.....so he's probably worth more than the pretty underwhelming package you offered. he would instantly be the best player the Habs have, so it would probably take more than spare parts and conditional picks to get him.
- sensarmy_11

I disagree. Look at most top trades that have happened in the past. It's always less. Look at what Ottawa got for Karlsson.
brandxbeer138
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ON
Joined: 07.24.2019

Sep 28 @ 9:15 AM ET
I mean, he's scored more goals than almost anyone in the entire league since he started.....so he's probably worth more than the pretty underwhelming package you offered. he would instantly be the best player the Habs have, so it would probably take more than spare parts and conditional picks to get him.
- sensarmy_11

You could say the same thing about Max pacioretty. There's more to hockey than just goals.
HenryHockey
Season Ticket Holder
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Gwinn, MI
Joined: 01.26.2020

Sep 28 @ 9:16 AM ET
https://www.tsn.ca/countd...ar-patrik-laine-1.1530948


Read up guys!
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Sep 28 @ 9:26 AM ET
You could say the same thing about Max pacioretty. There's more to hockey than just goals.
- brandxbeer138


you can't compare karlsson and pacioretty to laine.......the first 2 were 29-30 years old when they were traded, clearly having already peaked or even beginning to decline. Laine is 22, and is still improving.

The jets are also under no pressure to trade him, he's an RFA, they still control his rights. why would they ever let him walk for anything less than a stellar return.

Ottawa and Montreal had to trade those players, if they didn't they would have lost them to free agency for nothing
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Sep 28 @ 9:32 AM ET
https://www.tsn.ca/countdown-to-off-season-what-would-it-cost-if-the-montreal-canadiens-wanted-jets-star-patrik-laine-1.1530948


Read up guys!

- HenryHockey


I mean, if the guy from the Gazette, who no insider knowledge or connections to the jets, says that's what it would take.........I mean who are we to argue.

there is no way the Jets would give away Laine for such an underwhelming package. they have a vezina winning goalie and a bunch of really good players in their prime.......trading away Laine for a bunch of "okay" pieces and a mid rd 1st would seem really stupid for a team that's in a "win now" phase.

i'm obviously not a GM, but I would be SHOCKED if Laine went for such a mediocre package as what the gazette guy said............and let's be honest here, he works for the montreal media, who are maybe even worse than the Toronto media for pandering to the fan base.
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Sep 28 @ 9:40 AM ET
I disagree. Look at most top trades that have happened in the past. It's always less. Look at what Ottawa got for Karlsson.
- brandxbeer138


also to this point.....for a 29 year old, clearly on the decline karlsson, Ottawa got:

a top 4 d
2 good prospects
1 top prospect
1 unprotected 1st (3rd overall)
1 2nd
and another conditional 1st (condition not met, but still part of the deal)

and that was for a past his prime karlsson with only 1 year left to being a UFA

Laine will require more than that to acquire....whether he's worth it or not.

like someone else said, from the Habs the deal would start with Suzuki, Caufield or KK and your 2020 1st, a 2nd, and add from there.
HenryHockey
Season Ticket Holder
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Gwinn, MI
Joined: 01.26.2020

Sep 28 @ 9:42 AM ET
I mean, if the guy from the Gazette, who no insider knowledge or connections to the jets, says that's what it would take.........I mean who are we to argue.

there is no way the Jets would give away Laine for such an underwhelming package. they have a vezina winning goalie and a bunch of really good players in their prime.......trading away Laine for a bunch of "okay" pieces and a mid rd 1st would seem really stupid for a team that's in a "win now" phase.

i'm obviously not a GM, but I would be SHOCKED if Laine went for such a mediocre package as what the gazette guy said............and let's be honest here, he works for the montreal media, who are maybe even worse than the Toronto media for pandering to the fan base.

- sensarmy_11


I think your unacceptance would melt if they offered Danault in the package rather than Domi. But a stronger D-man may also be required. Hmmmmm, would Webber at $1.5M retained tickle your fancy? But then the Habs would switch back to Domi, if Webber is offered.
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Sep 28 @ 9:44 AM ET
I think your unacceptance would melt if they offered Danault in the package rather than Domi. But a stronger D-man may also be required. Hmmmmm, would Webber at $1.5M retained tickle your fancy? But then the Habs would switch back to Domi, if Webber is offered.
- HenryHockey


it's not my fancy that needs to be tickled................I do think that Wpg would require high end pieces though. like I said in my previous posts, unless the habs offer up KK/Suzuki/Caufield and the 2020 1st as a starting point, Wpg wouldn't even consider it.
ShoresideDevil
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 06.12.2019

Sep 28 @ 9:59 AM ET
Well after much thought, I think the most fair trade for Laine is the following:

To NJ: Patrik Laine, Adam Lowry, 2021 lottery protected first round pick (stipulation being that if the pick is in the lottery, than the Devils get the 2022 first round pick)

To WPG: Nico Hischer, PK Subban, #18 & #20 overall picks


Great trade for both teams!

- TheUltimateJet


Pass... no, wait... HARD PASS
There is no chance you are getting Nico! It always makes me laugh how the fans of the team a player is being dangled from thinks that the return should be 2lbs of flesh. WPG doesn't want him, yet they want more coming back for this guy? He is a great young stud but I wouldn't trade Nico for Laine 1:1, let alone this horrible proposal.
BOSS_TWEED
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: S. Jersey
Joined: 11.07.2006

Sep 28 @ 10:05 AM ET
Forget Ghost as he's mistake prone Flyer signing mistake that has trouble staying in their lineup and the Jets have enough 5/6 d-men. Provorov, Patrick, if he passes a physical, and either Frost or a 1st get the Jets to listen as you know that Laine is a special talent that don't come on the market very often.
- islansjet


I wouldn't trade Provorov straight up for Laine, much less also including Patrick + Frost/1st.

DEDDIE
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary
Joined: 01.08.2019

Sep 28 @ 10:33 AM ET
He is worth more than that! I am thinking a 2C, top 4D and two first round picks!
- TheUltimateJet


Last 4 seasons:
Laine - 305GP, 138G, 109A, 247 PTS
Monahan - 304GP, 114G, 138A, 252PTS
Mony has cost certainty for 3 more seasons at 6.375, Laine makes 6.75 this and then has arb rights.

Do you really think your ask above is real because the numbers sure don't say that?
islansjet
Joined: 03.13.2017

Sep 28 @ 10:58 AM ET
All these trade scenarios for Laine are fun but the Jets won't be trading him anytime soon. They have him as an RFA for 4 more seasons so the Jets have plenty of time to lock him up long term at a contract both sides will be happy to sign.
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