Also think other teams that need goaltending might be able to offer more and don't want to get in a bidding war. If hawks can get him for 2021 2nd and 2020 5th and seeler i do that trade otherwise pass. Hawks are rebuilding and need as many young assets. Plus i would not give up 17th pick imo.
- Scott1977

Phoenix can ask for a #1, but I do not see them getting one. Way things are going, Lehner as a free agent is not going to get much more ($5 mil.)

Agreed I don't see Kuemper bringing much back. Lard Ass is only getting offered $5 at least that's the rumor which should also tell Crow something.
- rpeters01

Beat me to it

Also think other teams that need goaltending might be able to offer more and don't want to get in a bidding war. If hawks can get him for 2021 2nd and 2020 5th and seeler i do that trade otherwise pass. Hawks are rebuilding and need as many young assets. Plus i would not give up 17th pick imo.
- Scott1977

You are offering a 2021 second round and that is what their new GM does not want to settle upon. On the other hand, I really do not think we surrender both a top prospect and the #1. Perhaps a #2 and Beaudin? We do have many toted dmen prospects. Not a seller's market to ship off a descent goaltender.

Help VGK cap problem. Fleury 3.5M retained and one of their top prospects for the future considerations the Hawks obtained from Vegas a few years ago

I really didn’t think TB was that good. That entire team knows what to do with and without the puck.

Stars again - can’t clear, can’t clear, can’t clear, finally get it out - time for a change.

No transition, no offensive zone time, no pressure on Vasilevsky.

In 32 minutes of 5x5 time - Dallas with 14 SAT, 4 SOG.

You are offering a 2021 second round and that is what their new GM does not want to settle upon. On the other hand, I really do not think we surrenxer both a top prosoect and the #1. Perhaps a #2 and BeAudin? We do have many toted dmen prospects. Not a seller's market to ship off a xescent goaltender.
- jhawk59

If it's not a seller's market, the seller (Arizona) shouldn't be expecting a great return.

I really didn’t think TB was that good. That entire team knows what to do with and without the puck.
- Chunk

Yes - a fundamentally sound, disciplined, well-coached team - with talent and a terrific goaltender.

Stars did well to win 2 and get another to OT.

Stars again - can’t clear, can’t clear, can’t clear, finally get it out - time for a change.

No transition, no offensive zone time, no pressure on Vasilevsky.

In 32 minutes of 5x5 time - Dallas with 14 SAT, 4 SOG.
- StLBravesFan

That 2nd TB goal was big. Is the Cup in the house?

Yes - a fundamentally sound, disciplined, well-coached team - with talent and a terrific goaltender.

Stars did well to win 2 and get another to OT.
- StLBravesFan

And doing this without Stamkos.

You are offering a 2021 second round and that is what their new GM does not want to settle upon. On the other hand, I really do not think we surrender both a top prospect and the #1. Perhaps a #2 and Beaudin? We do have many toted dmen prospects. Not a seller's market to ship off a descent goaltender.
- jhawk59

I'm not giving Beaudin without a pick...

Help VGK cap problem. Fleury 3.5M retained and one of their top prospects for the future considerations the Hawks obtained from Vegas a few years ago
- boilermaker100

Vegas would just buy out Fleury, the cap hit with 50% retained would be the same

You are offering a 2021 second round and that is what their new GM does not want to settle upon. On the other hand, I really do not think we surrender both a top prospect and the #1. Perhaps a #2 and Beaudin? We do have many toted dmen prospects. Not a seller's market to ship off a descent goaltender.
- jhawk59

I would keep beaudin imo i think he going to ne really good. Gilbert or ruglar. Maybe

If it's not a seller's market, the seller (Arizona) shouldn't be expecting a great return.
- boilermaker100

Beaudin and a #2 is fair. Have to give up something. Arizona might wait a bit but not likely to receive better. I cannot think of any team needing a goaltender badly.

I would keep beaudin imo i think he going to ne really good. Gilbert or ruglar. Maybe
- Scott1977

Sure I rather keep Beaudun over them Nobody wants Gilbert unless he is dirt cheap and no team is enamored to the point of taking Rogula in this sort of deal. Rogula is one to keep an eye on. Remember dmen need to transition to the men's NHL which is physical and skill change compared to where Rogula was. He needs to be stronger, tougher in the NHL. See him score like tha in the AHL. How much does he become willing to use his size defending and scoring as a pro

It’s like every player on the ice for TBL is better than - has more energy than - his counterpart on Dallas.

Also think other teams that need goaltending might be able to offer more and don't want to get in a bidding war. If hawks can get him for 2021 2nd and 2020 5th and seeler i do that trade otherwise pass. Hawks are rebuilding and need as many young assets. Plus i would not give up 17th pick imo.
- Scott1977

Keumper is at $4.5 each to two more years.

Presumably, they could get Crawford for $4 or $4.5 per for two years without giving up an asset.

I’m not sure why getting Kuemper is getting so much play.

Vegas would just buy out Fleury, the cap hit with 50% retained would be the same
- LAHawk

Ok so Vegas cap hit if Fleury is bought out over the next 4 years is 2.5, 3, 2, 2M. Or in a trade they retain 2 years at 3 5M. Yes, similar the first 2 years, but that additional hit in years 3 and 4.

Here's another proposal. Hawks take on the whole 7M, get another prospect or pick and give back Shaw and his 3.9M so Vegas can do some LTIR maneuvering.

It’s like every player on the ice for TBL is better than - has more energy than - his counterpart on Dallas.
- StLBravesFan

Yeah, this game has been a disappointment so far - I expected a better effort from DAL.

It’s like every player on the ice for TBL is better than - has more energy than - his counterpart on Dallas.
- StLBravesFan

All of Dallas’ big defensemen are always chasing. They never have the time or space to actually attack.

Beaudin and a #2 is fair. Have to give up something. Arizona might wait a bit but not likely to receive better. I cannot think of any team needing a goaltender badly.
- jhawk59

Edmonton Minnesota carolina Ottawa Calgary

Yeah, this game has been a disappointment so far - I expected a better effort from DAL.
- Chief4Feathers

Imo i think a lot of thr dallas players are playing with serious injuries or not and Tampa is playing that good.

Edmonton Minnesota carolina Ottawa Calgary
- Scott1977

And all those teams won't give up any draft picks, salary or young prospects, except for maybe Calgary

Beaudin and a #2 is fair. Have to give up something. Arizona might wait a bit but not likely to receive better. I cannot think of any team needing a goaltender badly.
- jhawk59

Carolina, Edmonton, Calgary all seeking an upgrade in goal. San Jose and Minnesota disenchanted with Jones and Dubnyk respectively. Even Dallas if Khudobin walks as an UFA and then they have to rely on injury prone Bishop.

Phoenix can ask for a #1, but I do not see them getting one. Way things are going, Lehner as a free agent is not going to get much more ($5 mil.)
- LAHawk

Anyone paying anything close to that for Kuemper is out of their gotdam mind. Even a 2nd for him is an overpay. guy has played more than 30 games in a season twice.